Replacements of FAB4

[Straight Drive]

There is a clear difference in quality of FAB4 and the new batch in test format as seen in the career batting averages. Virat from this new batch is obviously world class.

 

Will the new batch apart from Virat Kohli, be able to make remarkable improvement and end up with a world class career average like the previous batch. 

 

It's been more than 7 years since none of the FAB4 have played, but the batting department has gone downhill. Who can we expect to have top quality averages.

 

Sachin T - 54

Rahul D - 52

Sehwag - 49

VVS - 46

 

Apart from FAB4, Sourav had average of 42.

 

Virat K - 54

Cheteshwar P- 50

Shikhar D - 41

Ajinkya R - 41

KL Rahul - 39

Murali Vijay - 39

Edited September 13, 2018 by Straight Drive
Updated

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

There is a clear difference in quality of FAB4 and the new batch in test format as seen in the career batting averages. Virat from this new batch is obviously world class.

 

Will the new batch apart from Virat Kohli, be able to make remarkable improvement and end up with a world class career average like the previous batch. 

 

It's been more than 7 years since none of the FAB4 have played, but the batting department has gone downhill. Who can we expect to have top quality averages.

 

Sachin T - 54

Rahul D - 52

Sehwag - 49

VVS - 46

 

Virat K - 54

Cheteshwar P- 50

Shikhar D - 41

Ajinkya R - 41

KL Rahul - 39

what are the stats diff overseas?

[goose]

when you think about it, it's remarkable how an extra 10 runs per innings on average, consistently separates the greats from from the pathetic. only 10. 

[rtmohanlal]

spot on. Only 2 from this list are worth a comparison to those  FAB 5(Sourav included) , that is Virat  to Sachin &  Rahane to Sourav.

 

All others are worthless . comparing Rahane to Sourav can raise eye brows, but they avg: more or less same and in alien conditions too they are almost neck and neck.But Rahane needs to rectify his regressing stats ASAP. 

[Straight Drive]

5 minutes ago, goose said:

when you think about it, it's remarkable how an extra 10 runs per innings on average, consistently separates the greats from from the pathetic. only 10. 

Some players manage to average higher even after major career threatening injuries. Those have higher probability of improving their career average as they enter into 30's where career decline phase happens in late 30's or injuries increase with ageing body.

 

 

[Straight Drive]

11 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

spot on. Only 2 from this list are worth a comparison to those  FAB 5(Sourav included) , that is Virat  to Sachin &  Rahane to Sourav.

 

All others are worthless . comparing Rahane to Sourav can raise eye brows, but they avg: more or less same and in alien conditions too they are almost neck and neck.But Rahane needs to rectify his regressing stats ASAP. 

Even Sourav had average of 42 and he was not as good as FAB4.  

 

True that if Ajinkya Rahane form continues to decline it may get below 40 as well. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2018 by Straight Drive

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

Even Sourav had average of 42 and he was not as good as FAB4.  

 

True that if Ajinkya Rahane form continues to decline it may get below 40 as well. 

 

 

Sourav's avg: need to evaluated based on his 5th position.And  his record in SENA + WI  combined was  better   to that of  Sehwag even going by mere stats despite him avg:ing  over all 42  only because of that 5th position.Yes, if we take all  factors  into account, then Sehwag might be better to him .But  yet, Sourav because of the first factor that carries the most weightage  was lot closer to Sehwag as batsman than plain over all averages suggest.

Edited September 13, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[nevada]

Averages aside, Fab 4 had character. An opener who could take the game away from the opposition with explosive batting and made test cricket exciting to watch. They had a lower middle order batsman who played gutsy innings time and again pulling the team back from the jaws of defeat. This current lot is going awol whenever they fall behind in the game. 

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

Averages aside, Fab 4 had character. An opener who could take the game away from the opposition with explosive batting and made test cricket exciting to watch. They had a lower middle order batsman who played gutsy innings time and again pulling the team back from the jaws of defeat. This current lot is going awol whenever they fall behind in the game. 

Opener was a massive advantage. No doubt about that. Average of 49 at SR of 83 is unmatchable. Just not from India, test cricketer from any other country will find it tough to get even close to it.

[Rasgulla]

Its really hard to replace fab 4

 

Sehwag

Dravid

Vvs

Dhoni 

[Temujin Khaghan]

4 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

spot on. Only 2 from this list are worth a comparison to those  FAB 5(Sourav included) , that is Virat  to Sachin &  Rahane to Sourav.

 

All others are worthless . comparing Rahane to Sourav can raise eye brows, but they avg: more or less same and in alien conditions too they are almost neck and neck.But Rahane needs to rectify his regressing stats ASAP. 

when saurav came in to bat during a batting collapse, i never felt even once that this guy will go anytime now... whereas, everytime when the going is tough and rahane comes in to bat, i feel its just a matter of few deliveries before this guy joins the parade.

 

even in the 1998 chennai test that pakistan won, their keeper cheated and claimed a grounded catch of saurav's bat.

Edited September 13, 2018 by Temujin Khaghan

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

Opener was a massive advantage. No doubt about that. Average of 49 at SR of 83 is unmatchable. Just not from India, test cricketer from any other country will find it tough to get even close to it.

Has an average of 33 in SENA.

[sourab10forever]

Is it fair to compare the averages?

 

Test in India are so often played on rank turners these days.

So the new generation of batsmen are at a disadvantage here.

[rtmohanlal]

14 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

when saurav came in to bat during a batting collapse, i never felt even once that this guy will go anytime now... whereas, everytime when the going is tough and rahane comes in to bat, i feel its just a matter of few deliveries before this guy joins the parade.

 

even in the 1998 chennai test that pakistan won, their keeper cheated and claimed a grounded catch of saurav's bat.

what ever it is, Rahane's  avg:s  of 57,54,53.2 & 29.26  in SENA is far more rounded than that of Ganguly's 65.35, 36.14 , 34.80 , 27.71

[prasen82]

Compare the bowling quality that existed those days. It is not even close. Fab 4 were miles ahead of current bunch.

 

Rahane maybe till 2016. But today, sorry he has to go. Too long a rope in name of class. Pujara if not for that 132 would also be staring at a similar state like rahane.

[Straight Drive]

30 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

Compare the bowling quality that existed those days. It is not even close. Fab 4 were miles ahead of current bunch.

 

Rahane maybe till 2016. But today, sorry he has to go. Too long a rope in name of class. Pujara if not for that 132 would also be staring at a similar state like rahane.

Well some would say g rear bowlers are operating today as well. Subjectively it's impossible to conclude anything as positives and negatives will differ in different decades and it's tough to analyze at microscopic level on forum discussions due to shortage of time it becomes endless considering all cricketing aspects of various decades. There were great bowlers before and there are some great bowlers now.  Having said that I agree with you the FAB4 were not just statistically better as seen in large career sample size but subjectively too. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

[velu]

sehwag was not in fab4..

 

sachin

dravid

vvs

dada

 

 

[zen]

only Kohli and to some extent Pujara make the cut .... And we want 6th batsman as if we still have that old top 5 and are bringing in VVS / Ganguly

Edited September 13, 2018 by zen

[rtmohanlal]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

Kohli & Rahane are the 2 vital components required for a  quality top 6. All the others' records are so pathetic.Even Rahul who has played 3 series in SENA already  is way too inadequate. If this is the sort of selection policy the team management  keeps on adopting, then there is no scope of team doing well in further series in SENA  too. Provide a rookie talented youngster  3 series each in SENA. If he fails in all 3 like Rahul did , then it should be curtains for him . Out of 4 in SENA , a fresh talent should emerge with being brilliant in atleast 2 of the 4. Other wise he is inadequate to form that vital component of the top 6. Compare that to the previous era.

Sachin,Dravid,Sourav,Sehwag ,Laxman all  were successful in 2 of their first 4 series in SENA + WI of those times. No wonder they formed such a great batting unit and won & drawn several series abroad  during their times.