Pujara is just doing enough to save his place but thats not enough for team. Why is he getting away among all

[Ankit_sharma03]

Post n During the test series we here on ICF, cricket experts have gone after players like- Dhawan, rahul, pant, pandya, vijay,shami , ashwin but why pujara skipping the the criticism

 

HE just made a 100 n 70 ( which was damn scratchy ) 

Pant contributed in last game yet many still say he is not ready...........WTF is ready now 

 

Pandya also had a fifer n 50 which shud be equal to pujara perfomance, but he is a soft target. Someone lik gavaskar also said Pandya n others shud be out (damn so name others also as u have names pandya )

 

Ashwin bowled well in game 1 n batted well to 

 

Shami has been inconsitent but has bowled some good spells in the series 

 

Rahane also had 2 good scores in 81 n 51

 

So why is pujara skipping all the bashing , yes we can say that 100 saved his place but is that enough from no.3. Of yea here we are bsy adding batsman when ur openers n no.3 are so inconsistent. He doesnt even have that extra value post his wkt like rahul is gr8 in slips, pandya can bowl n field . Even in Sa he jst had one good innings

 

One or two perfomances saves his place and yes he is a beast in subcontinent but thats a huge problem for us In SENA countries . He is in his 2nd cycle of overseas tour after a very avg 1st cycle yet things dnt look better. He still gets trouble with the ball coming back in .

 

His record in overseas

 

SA- 31.61 ( and he has been on 3 tours of SA)

Eng- 29.41 ( two tours of england)

NZ- 15

WI- 31

Aus-33.50

 

We are not going to win if our no.3 avg this overseas. Ok if u fail in one country but this is below avg in every country 

 

Unfortunately lack of replacements who are pushing hard is also a concern but that doesnt mean he gets away, Lets be fair he deserves equal bashing as others. 

Edited September 14, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[GolGappe]

You can't replace entire batting line up in one go and expect them to be competitive in Australia.

 

Vihari could have gotten a golden pair in his debut test and had his test career ended in England.

 

With the exception of Dhawan, I'd stick with the same batting line up for now.

[Global.Baba]

Pujara is least of our problems.Played a couple of clutch knocks. We could have won the 1st test had he been in the side. Yes still inconsistent. but our 2nd best test bat right now.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, GolGappe said:

You can't replace entire batting line up in one go and expect them to be competitive in Australia.

 

Vihari could have gotten a golden pair in his debut test and had his test career ended in England.

 

With the exception of Dhawan, I'd stick with the same batting line up for now.

M not asking him to be replaced but m saying why is he skipping the bashing , he deserve it to 

 

9 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Pujara is least of our problems.Played a couple of clutch knocks. We could have won the 1st test had he been in the side. Yes still inconsistent. but our 2nd best test bat right now.

 

 

He is a huge problem, at no.3 has been so below avg in overseas tours

Couple- 1 clutch knock khela, dusra bht scratchy tha

 

2nd best- nope....this changes series by series 

[rtmohanlal]

26 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Post n During the test series we here on ICF, cricket experts have gone after players like- Dhawan, rahul, pant, pandya, vijay,shami , ashwin but why pujara skipping the the criticism

 

HE just made a 100 n 70 ( which was damn scratchy ) 

Pant contributed in last game yet many still say he is not ready...........WTF is ready now 

 

Pandya also had a fifer n 50 which shud be equal to pujara perfomance, but he is a soft target. Someone lik gavaskar also said Pandya n others shud be out (damn so name others also as u have names pandya )

 

Ashwin bowled well in game 1 n batted well to 

 

Shami has been inconsitent but has bowled some good spells in the series 

 

Rahane also had 2 good scores in 81 n 51

 

So why is pujara skipping all the bashing , yes we can say that 100 saved his place but is that enough from no.3. Of yea here we are bsy adding batsman when ur openers n no.3 are so inconsistent. He doesnt even have that extra value post his wkt like rahul is gr8 in slips, pandya can bowl n field . Even in Sa he jst had one good innings

 

One or two perfomances saves his place and yes he is a beast in subcontinent but thats a huge problem for us In SENA countries . He is in his 2nd cycle of overseas tour after a very avg 1st cycle yet things dnt look better. He still gets trouble with the ball coming back in .

 

His record in overseas

 

SA- 31.61 ( and he has been on 3 tours of SA)

Eng- 29.41 ( two tours of england)

NZ- 15

WI- 31

Aus-33.50

 

We are not going to win if our no.3 avg this overseas. Ok if u fail in one country but this is below avg in every country 

 

Unfortunately lack of replacements who are pushing hard is also a concern but that doesnt mean he gets away, Lets be fair he deserves equal bashing as others. 

absolutely spot on ....  for me this hack  along with Dhawan & Shami are the 3 main culprits for India's repeatedly bad series results in SENA. Pujara 's record as you pointed out is the worst for some body having played such high no: of series in SENA . Even in  WI his record is below avg: .

And even more strange is that some of these arm chair experts do not find any fault with him. They blame Pandya(has great stats for a bowler alone  in the series and out performed Stokes in ENG as an all rounder), Ashwin(as all rounder his contribution was adequate

in ENG) & Rahane(who only went a bit off from his normal avg: standard in ENG, his bogey team).

[zen]

Atm, there is no comparision b/w Pujara and Rahane, imo .... In the last 2 years:

 

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V Kohli	2016-2018	26	46	4	2902	243	69.09	4502	64.46	11	7	3	305	8
CA Pujara	2016-2018	27	47	3	2327	202	52.88	5104	45.59	8	11	3	272	4
KL Rahul	2016-2018	21	35	1	1319	199	38.79	2167	60.86	2	10	4	166	7
M Vijay	2016-2018	20	35	0	1296	155	37.02	2823	45.90	6	3	3	140	12
AM Rahane	2016-2018	24	42	3	1288	188	33.02	2710	47.52	2	6	3	138	8

 

Rahane is a SENA specialist who got out performed by Pujara in Eng .... Pujara even took the step to go and play in Eng, which eventually worked for him in the difficult series .... Pujara is on the rise now, while Rahane has been exposed 

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[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Atm, there is no comparision b/w Pujara and Rahane, imo .... In the last 2 years:

 

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CA Pujara	2016-2018	27	47	3	2327	202	52.88	5104	45.59	8	11	3	272	4
KL Rahul	2016-2018	21	35	1	1319	199	38.79	2167	60.86	2	10	4	166	7
M Vijay	2016-2018	20	35	0	1296	155	37.02	2823	45.90	6	3	3	140	12
AM Rahane	2016-2018	24	42	3	1288	188	33.02	2710	47.52	2	6	3	138	8

 

Rahane is a SENA specialist who got out performed by Pujara in Eng .... Pujara even took the step to go and play in Eng, which eventually worked for him in the difficult series .... Pujara is on the rise now, while Rahane has been exposed 

last 2 yrs we have played a lot in Subcontinet and pujara is beast their we have established that 

My question is why is no.3 problem not looked at to, more then bashing or dropping.....its an area we also need to look at

 

he cnt get away with those number n its poor in all countries, he is no youngtser

Rahane was not given a chance in SA so lets leave that and he is getting bashed anyways

[zen]

PS from the 3rd test onwards in Eng (that is 3 tests and like a test series on its own) 

 

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RA Jadeja	1	2	1	99	86*	99.00	202	49.00	0	1	0	13	1
V Kohli	3	6	0	353	103	58.83	621	56.84	1	2	1	37	0
CA Pujara	3	6	1	260	132*	52.00	614	42.34	1	1	1	32	0
KL Rahul	3	6	0	264	149	44.00	394	67.00	1	0	1	37	1
AM Rahane	3	6	0	209	81	34.83	512	40.82	0	2	1	22	0

 

 

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[zen]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

last 2 yrs we have played a lot in Subcontinet and pujara is beast their we have established that 

My question is why is no.3 problem not looked at to, more then bashing or dropping.....its an area we also need to look at

 

he cnt get away with those number n its poor in all countries, he is no youngtser

Rahane was not given a chance in SA so lets leave that and he is getting bashed anyways

Pujara will be seen to have turned it around because of the below:

 

from the 3rd test onwards in Eng (that is 3 tests, which is like a test series on its own) 

 

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V Kohli	3	6	0	353	103	58.83	621	56.84	1	2	1	37	0
CA Pujara	3	6	1	260	132*	52.00	614	42.34	1	1	1	32	0
KL Rahul	3	6	0	264	149	44.00	394	67.00	1	0	1	37	1
AM Rahane	3	6	0	209	81	34.83	512	40.82	0	2	1	22	0

 

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[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Pujara will be seen to have turned it around because of the below:

 

from the 3rd test onwards in Eng (that is 3 tests which like a test series on its own) 

 

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V Kohli	3	6	0	353	103	58.83	621	56.84	1	2	1	37	0
CA Pujara	3	6	1	260	132*	52.00	614	42.34	1	1	1	32	0
KL Rahul	3	6	0	264	149	44.00	394	67.00	1	0	1	37	1
AM Rahane	3	6	0	209	81	34.83	512	40.82	0	2	1	22	0

 

that turnaround also looked like when he made a 100 in SA, problem is consistency . After that 100 also he has failed ....37 in 1st inning and threw his wkt . Many though that innings against SL of 140+ was also a turnaround

 

Sorry one innings shudnt be taken into acc as turn around.

 

HE is on his 2nd cycle and as main batsman these overall numbers are jst not enough . He has to do a lot more....a lot specially as a specialist batsman

 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

that turnaround also looked like when he made a 100 in SA, problem is consistency . After that 100 also he has failed ....37 in 1st inning and threw his wkt . Many though that innings against SL of 140+ was also a turnaround

 

Sorry one innings shudnt be taken into acc as turn around.

 

HE is on his 2nd cycle and as main batsman these overall numbers are jst not enough . He has to do a lot more....a lot specially as a specialist batsman

 

Even Kohli had failed earlier in Eng and now considered to have turned it around ....The fact is that Pujara turned it around to a certain extent or at least shown that he is working towards that so will be given the opportunity .... Rahane, who is supposed to do much better in Eng, got exposed and failed despite batting at 5 (vs 3) 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, zen said:

Even Kohli had failed earlier in Eng and now considered to have turned it around ....The fact is that Pujara turned it around to a certain extent or at least shown that he is working towards that so will be given the opportunity .... Rahane, who is supposed to do much better in Eng, got exposed and failed despite batting at 5 (vs 3) 

Kohli made runs everywhere aprt from eng in his 1st cycle, infact he was a beast. 

Pujara was below avg then and still is avg 

 

till when are we going to be happy with avg, not so bad

 

Rahane in all sena countries has had only one bad tour actually which was this one. Pujara i think only has one good n one avg ......Lets not go to subcontinet ....no one is questioning him their

 

IMO he has turned nothing around , it was still 1-2 innings in 8 chances.....m ok if a young player does that but not a senior one

Turn around is what kohli did this time

[Global.Baba]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

that turnaround also looked like when he made a 100 in SA, problem is consistency . After that 100 also he has failed ....37 in 1st inning and threw his wkt . Many though that innings against SL of 140+ was also a turnaround

 

Sorry one innings shudnt be taken into acc as turn around.

 

HE is on his 2nd cycle and as main batsman these overall numbers are jst not enough . He has to do a lot more....a lot specially as a specialist batsman

 

He also got only 4 tests. In 1 test in Lords everyone got smashed. So leaves us with 6 innings. got a 50 and a 100(one of the best knocks of the series. Rate that over Kohli's knock as it was more chance-less) in 2. in the remaining 4 innings he scored. Scored 37,0,5,14 . So 3 failures. 2nd test also let us not forget his unfortunate runout

[zen]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kohli made runs everywhere aprt from eng in his 1st cycle, infact he was a beast. 

Pujara was below avg then and still is avg 

 

till when are we going to be happy with avg, not so bad

 

Rahane in all sena countries has had only one bad tour actually which was this one. Pujara i think only has one good n one avg ......Lets not go to subcontinet ....no one is questioning him their

 

IMO he has turned nothing around , it was still 1-2 innings in 8 chances.....m ok if a young player does that but not a senior one

Turn around is what kohli did this time

 As it is established that Pujara is a mini Bradman is subcon .... Mathematically, where 1 = Good, 0.5 = OK, 0 = Bad

 

• Player, Subcon, SENA, TOTAL 
• Pujara, 1, 0.5, 1.5
• Rahane, 0.5, 0.5, 1

 

ATM, Pujara is relatively more useful than Rahane .... which is why Pujara is in black, while Rahane is in red 

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[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Global.Baba said:

He also got only 4 tests. In 1 test in Lords everyone got smashed. So leaves us with 6 innings. got a 50 and a 100(one of the best knocks of the series. Rate that over Kohli's knock as it was more chance-less) in 2. in the remaining 4 innings he scored. Scored 37,0,5,14 . So 3 failures. 2nd test also let us not forget his unfortunate runout

A chance is a chance , rahane also made runs in 2014 lords on a greentop.....

when u criticized pandya u didnt remove that lords game numbers or when vijay was dropped that lords failure wasnt hided 

 

Runout can happen to anyone anytime, n its not that im asking question of someone who has done wonders before

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

SA- 31.61 ( and he has been on 3 tours of SA)

Eng- 29.41 ( two tours of england)

NZ- 15

WI- 31

Aus-33.50

These numbers are not justified by any means 

[rtmohanlal]

17 minutes ago, zen said:

Atm, there is no comparision b/w Pujara and Rahane, imo .... In the last 2 years:

 

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CA Pujara	2016-2018	27	47	3	2327	202	52.88	5104	45.59	8	11	3	272	4
KL Rahul	2016-2018	21	35	1	1319	199	38.79	2167	60.86	2	10	4	166	7
M Vijay	2016-2018	20	35	0	1296	155	37.02	2823	45.90	6	3	3	140	12
AM Rahane	2016-2018	24	42	3	1288	188	33.02	2710	47.52	2	6	3	138	8

 

Rahane is a SENA specialist who got out performed by Pujara in Eng .... Pujara even took the step to go and play in Eng, which eventually worked for him in the difficult series .... Pujara is on the rise now, while Rahane has been exposed 

Of these, Pujara played a very small share of  14 inns  in 7 tests  only in SENA where he avg:ed a paltry  29. Rahane too avg:S only 26.16 from 6  tests  in SENA during the same period, but the difference is that he played 10 of those 12 inns in  ENG, his bogey team and 2 in SAF where it was so much bowler friendly this time.   This shows how Pujara's avg: is highly boosted by performance in ASIA where as Rahane was  only good in ASIA with a 36+ avg: . So both players are off from the adequate ' level' required of them .But I would prefer to keep Rahane in the team a lot more than Pujara because of his  over all track record in SENA  because it is very difficult to find batsmen who has played so brilliantly in 3 out of 4 in SENA till date.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 like it is established that Pujara is a mini Bradman is subcon .... Mathematically, where 1 = Good, 0.5 = OK, 0 = Bad

 

• Player, Subcon, SENA, TOTAL 
• Pujara, 1, 0.5, 1.5
• Rahane, 0.5, 0.5, 1

 

ATM, Pujara is relatively more useful than Rahane .... which is why Pujara is in black, while Rahane is in red 

As m saying our concern is overseas, we cnt ignore pujara numbers coz then we are not going to win 

Subcontinet can balance numbers of dhawan n lets not forget he was gr8 in NZ 2014 tour where pujara avg 15 

 

Playing 5 batsman among which one avg around 30 overseas will not help, his inconsistencies also needs to be looked into it

M not up for dropping him right now, But team mngmt shud tell him we are expecting more out of u and if aussie tour doesnt go well ( which i have feeling he wnt do well ) then some serious thinking shud be done regd him

[Number]

Why Pujara doesn't get criticised as much as others do ? 

 

1. He has performed much better than others.

 He was dropped for Dhawan at Edgebaston. Then at Lords everyone failed.

Since third test he was was pretty decent.

 

2. No loose shots 

   Barring one loose shot, he got good deliveries when he got out. Like 4th and 5th test 2nd innings, the ball curled into him just in front of bat. While other batsmen got out wafting. 

 

3. Plays at tricky position

  With openers failing almost every time he had to come in when we were under pressure. While others coming at 5,6 had it much easier and still kept failing. 

 

[Global.Baba]

1 and 17- Poor test but that 1 was an unfortunate runout

14 and 72- 72 came in setting up a lead in winning the game so overall decent test

132 and 5-The 132 was one of the knocks of the series so again good game

37 and 0- Poor test but looked in good touch in the 1st innings

 

Given the drubbing we got,least of our problems

[zen]

2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

Of these, Pujara played a very small share of  14 inns  in 7 tests  only in SENA where he avg:ed a paltry  29. Rahane too avg:S only 26.16 from 6  tests  in SENA during the same period, but the difference is that he played 10 of those 12 inns in  ENG, his bogey team and 2 in SAF where it was so much bowler friendly this time.   This shows how Pujara's avg: is highly boosted by performance in ASIA where as Rahane was  only good in ASIA with a 36+ avg: . So both players are off from the adequate ' level' required of them .But I would prefer to keep Rahane in the team a lot more than Pujara because of his  over all track record in SENA  because it is very difficult to find batsmen who has played so brilliantly in 3 out of 4 in SENA till date.

Irrelevant as both were chosen based on their records, whatever they are, to play in Eng .... Pujara displayed an upward trend, while Rahane, who is supposed to take up the baton in SENA, got exposed

 

Also Pujara wins you more tests with his batting in most conditions