zen Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) Recently, the last two years period, Rahane has been the weakest link in our batting: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date between 14 Sep 2016 and 14 Sep 2018 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2016-2018 26 46 4 2902 243 69.09 4502 64.46 11 7 3 305 8 CA Pujara 2016-2018 27 47 3 2327 202 52.88 5104 45.59 8 11 3 272 4 KL Rahul 2016-2018 21 35 1 1319 199 38.79 2167 60.86 2 10 4 166 7 M Vijay 2016-2018 20 35 0 1296 155 37.02 2823 45.90 6 3 3 140 12 AM Rahane 2016-2018 24 42 3 1288 188 33.02 2710 47.52 2 6 3 138 8 We are told that Rahane avg is low because he played in Asia, etc. SENA conditions suit him the most .... However, to justify his place in the side as "the top 1-2 batsman in SENA, he needs to score 100s. Other batsmen score big 100s in conditions that suit them so we tolerate to a certain extent an OK performance in other conditions .... His avg in the series in SENA should be closer to 50 if not higher Rahane has been sub par recently. For e.g. if on the tour to Aus, if he is going to score 2-3 50s with a bunch of low scores, it might be a better idea to consider someone with the potential to hit 100s Edited September 14, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Yes Rahane needs to score in white countries. Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 being the moost experienced batsman after kohli...rahane has disappointed so far. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 our team is rich filled with a top 5 apart from Rahane who has scored mammoth 100s in abundance as of now in SENA . So Rahane when compared to them has been pathetic UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: our team is rich filled with a top 5 apart from Rahane who has scored mammoth 100s in abundance as of now in SENA . So Rahane when compared to them has been pathetic you didnt even get the gist of the post. Others at least score runs at other places while Rahane is considered Sena specialist. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, rkt.india said: you didnt even get the gist of the post. Others at least score runs at other places while Rahane is considered Sena specialist. who are these others leaving Kohli aside????? Dhawan? Rahul? Vijay? Pujara ? Pujara still has only 2 100s in about 41 inns in SENA. And his recrod in each one of SENA has been 'average to pathetic' at best. Rahane not only has been brilliant in SENA , but has been like that in SL and WI too. Rahane's only problem has been in India , but here too he avg:s around 33.Pujara sucks in WI too. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 When he does score centuries, they need to be big. I don't know why he seemingly lacks the ability to convert his 100s into larger 100s. zen and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
nevada Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Let him fix his weakness against spin and score some runs at home first. He has survived on SENA reputation for far too long despite poor form at home and has now delivered duds abroad also. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Moochad Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Rather than 100s, I want to see him not throw it away at least. He gets a start and then plays a loose shot and gets out. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 If he cannot score against WI, he should be dropped. There's no point in continuing with him. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 Batting at 4-5, the ability score big overseas is imp UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
prasen82 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 i want him to first score in ranji's and be the best bat out there , we can then talk about sena. if you give the same amount of chances that rahane got to another top 10 ranji batsman they would also have similar stats like rahane. we just give too long a rope for folks who impress first and too short a rope for folks who falter in first few matches unless they are considered the next big thing like sachin, kohli. shaw is probably in that category as well. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 i will start to blame Rahane only if he starts to fail in his strong zones. In the last 2 years he played only 2 inns in SAF, one of his strong zones, But he could play only 1 test in a very bowler friendly series and one of his inns was a top score of team inns which won the match for India.So that is not at all convincing to write off Rahane. From my game watching experience I have went thru a lot where top players would play brilliantly in their strong zones , then will be a pale shadow in their week zone, then again would be like duck into water in their strong zones. For instance Dravid was paltry in 1999 Aus series but in the next ENG series (his strong zone he was virtually unstoppable). Similar was the case with Ganguly too. Similarly Laxman was merely good in both SAF & WI series in 2006. But when the AUS series in 2007 came he hit top gear. Sachin was always playing the catch up game in SAF till his final series in which he rectified his record so emphatically. But this didn't detract him from hitting top gear in almost all other series.Similarly Sehwag was always below par in all except AUS in SENA. But when his turn in AUS came, he rose to his brilliant best except in the last series when he was steadily declining due to slowing reflexes. So several examples are there to prove my point. Based on that, unless Rahane fails alarmingly in next tours to AUS,NZL & saf , I would not write him off. Link to comment
zen Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: So several examples are there to prove my point. Based on that, unless Rahane fails alarmingly in next tours to AUS,NZL & saf , I would not write him off. He does not need to fail alarmingly but has to get big scores at 5 to even be considered. 2-3 50s in a series is not enough overseas batting at 5 when you are a no show in places like Ind An avg of 33 in last 2 years in as bad as it can get for a specialist batsman .... and he would have nothing to complain if dropped Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, zen said: He does not need to fail alarmingly but has to get big scores at 5 to even be considered. 2-3 50s in a series is not enough overseas batting at 5 when you are a no show in places like Ind An avg of 33 in last 2 years in as bad as it can get for a specialist batsman .... and he would have nothing to complain if dropped w.r.t avg: of 33 , i have already stated the reasons to you before. W.r.t big scores , you need to compare both Sourav's and Laxman 's record not only over all , but also in SENA specifically because both were middle order players. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: w.r.t avg: of 33 , i have already stated the reasons to you before. W.r.t big scores , you need to compare both Sourav's and Laxman 's record not only over all , but also in SENA specifically because both were middle order players. Not at all. You cannot avg so low over a 2 yr period .... team dynamics are different too, what Ganguly or Laxman got in their time is irrelevant ... today we rely on both batting and bowling to win, and play 5 specialists batsmen vs 6 so have the choice to pick the best options you are standing up for an irrelevant cause here .... your position can only gain strength if no one is better than Rahane and he is performing like what a specialist batsman should prasen82 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, zen said: Not at all. You cannot avg so low over a 2 yr period .... team dynamics are different too, what Ganguly or Laxman got in their time is irrelevant ... today we rely on both batting and bowling to win, and play 5 specialists batsmen vs 6 so have the choice to pick the best options you are standing up for an irrelevant cause here .... your position can only gain strength if no one is better than Rahane and he is performing like what a specialist batsman should Both Sourav & Laxman,especially Sourav too had such low passage in their careers. if we have only 5 batsmen now, then we have better all rounders than from the earlier era to provide those extra runs.Yes all the batsmen who played in this ENG series baring Kohli were so better to Rahane. On a serious note, coming AUS tour will be a major indication for me to realize as to whether what I believe about his stats is true or not.Till then I would believe in what I think about him to be true. And again , I am not at all interested in arguing for the sake of it. So , this will be the final point w.r.t this , specifically to you from my part Link to comment
zen Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said: Both Sourav & Laxman,especially Sourav too had such low passage in their careers. if we have only 5 batsmen now, then we have better all rounders than from the earlier era to provide those extra runs.Yes all the batsmen who played in this ENG series baring Kohli were so better to Rahane. On a serious note, coming AUS tour will be a major indication for me to realize as to whether what I believe about his stats is true or not.Till then I would believe in what I think about him to be true. And again , I am not at all interested in arguing for the sake of it. So , this will be the final point w.r.t this , specifically to you from my part You are only repeating yourself w/ the central theme being "major indication for me", and conveniently removing countries one by one out of SENA .... I would not be surprised if you had written that Rahane would be a success in Eng after his stint in SA .... With him performing poorly and touted to be a SENA specialists, he is supposed to perform better than some of the other batsmen, esp. batting at 5, where Rahane came out a cropper in SA and now Eng. Leading his fans to remove E, where he got the FULL series, from SENA, so now he is a SAN specialists, after Aus tour, he would probably be a SN specialist and then S Edited September 15, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Adi BB Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Rahane - can't score runs at home ,sucks against decent spin ,can't score runs away (nowadays) especially batting at 5 which is supposed to be the best batting position for SENA . If he doesn't score in Australia,it'll be the end for him UrmiSinhaRay and zen 1 1 Link to comment
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