Wow...Afg team has improved miles...

[gakgupta]

So good to see this team playing professional Cricket...
 
There was a time, where every player use to slog from right go and very rarely use to play the complete quota of 50 overs
 
Now, it is a different team all together. There is a approach to their batting.
 
It is still a long way before they start winning consistently. But definetly, we can put SL, Bang and Afg ODI teams in the same basket
 
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[Brainfade]

Here is their coaching staff:

 

• Afghanistan National Cricket Academy:  Peter Anderson
• Head coach:  Phil Simmons
• Batting coach:  Umesh Patwal
• Bowling coach:  Charl Langeveldt
• Fielding coach:  John Mooney
• Fitness trainer:  Azeem Malik
• Head Physiotherapist:  Azeem Malik

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

We should let their players gain experience in our first class set-up. I'd love to see them beat Bangladesh on a regular basis.

[gakgupta]

Are there any upcoming exciting talent waiting in the wings?

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[Brainfade]

Experience matters.  Coaching matters, too.  

 

Looking at their list of coaches above, only Phil Simmons is a somewhat accomplished cricketer (even he has a test average of 22, but played 140+ ODIs).  Langeveldt was serviceable and their batting coach is a complete unknown.  If we went further back in their history, their improvement seemed to start under Lalchand Rajput.  

 

Which brings me to my other point:  Often, we wrongly get caught up in the cricketing accomplishments of the coaches.  I've heard things like "this guy has a 25.00 test average, yeh kya sikhayega batting?"  Well, great players don't always make great coaches, and often, fringe players make great coaches.  Guys like Kumble and Shastri were successful international cricketers, but either lack management skills (AK) or analytical skills (RJS). OTOH, Chandrakant Pandit was a mediocre international cricketer but has proven coaching credentials, and IMO, would make a great national coach - if our star players would respect him for his **coaching** abilities.  While lacking a bit in natural ability, guys like Pandit and Rajput scrapped and clawed their way to maximize their potential and can share valuable knowledge.  But our culture won't give them a chance because it refuses to recognize that cricketing success and coaching success require vastly different skill-sets. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Brainfade

[Switchblade]

52 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

We should let their players gain experience in our first class set-up. I'd love to see them beat Bangladesh on a regular basis.

The touring teams in India will play warm up games against them.

[Zero_Unit]

these are the real tigers. the less said about the other tigers, the better.

this is how you achieve hearts and hard work is paying off for them.

[Tattieboy]

10 hours ago, Brainfade said:

Experience matters.  Coaching matters, too.  

 

Looking at their list of coaches above, only Phil Simmons is a somewhat accomplished cricketer (even he has a test average of 22, but played 140+ ODIs).  Langeveldt was serviceable and their batting coach is a complete unknown.  If we went further back in their history, their improvement seemed to start under Lalchand Rajput.  

 

Which brings me to my other point:  Often, we wrongly get caught up in the cricketing accomplishments of the coaches.  I've heard things like "this guy has a 25.00 test average, yeh kya sikhayega batting?"  Well, great players don't always make great coaches, and often, fringe players make great coaches.  Guys like Kumble and Shastri were successful international cricketers, but either lack management skills (AK) or analytical skills (RJS). OTOH, Chandrakant Pandit was a mediocre international cricketer but has proven coaching credentials, and IMO, would make a great national coach - if our star players would respect him for his **coaching** abilities.  While lacking a bit in natural ability, guys like Pandit and Rajput scrapped and clawed their way to maximize their potential and can share valuable knowledge.  But our culture won't give them a chance because it refuses to recognize that cricketing success and coaching success require vastly different skill-sets. 

Whilst I agree with virtually everything you say I disagree with your analysis of Lal Rajput . It was because he didn't scrap and claw that he didn't play more for India, he was as an opener much like Rahul today with every stroke in the book and liked to show off those strokes which on many occasions were his downfall where less naturally talented batsmen moved ahead of him in the pecking order for India during the 80's 

[Switchblade]

Simmons with Ireland did a great job now doing the same with Afghanistan.

[goose]

Imagine being an Afghani teenager now growing up seeing your team perform like this, geographically (kind of) sandwiched between two giants of the sport. I am envious. 

Edited September 22, 2018 by goose

[abc]

9 hours ago, Pace90 said:

Physio is working hard and result is showing that, they have the fittest WK in the work, even fitter than Pakistani WK.

It an *extraordinary* piece of work in the field which broke the Imam-ul-Haq/Harris Sohail partnership and allowed for a close match in the first place. Otherwise, Pakistan would've breezed past - much like Scotland in the World Cup Qualifier (Calum McLeod hammered Rashid Khan and Mujeeb Zadran to score 158*, though unlike Imam-ul-Haq, I don't think he read any of the variations -- McLeod's modus operandi seems to be to go right back and read it off the pitch, and sweep anything fuller).

[Tattieboy]

3 hours ago, abc said:

It an *extraordinary* piece of work in the field which broke the Imam-ul-Haq/Harris Sohail partnership and allowed for a close match in the first place. Otherwise, Pakistan would've breezed past - much like Scotland in the World Cup Qualifier (Calum McLeod hammered Rashid Khan and Mujeeb Zadran to score 158*, though unlike Imam-ul-Haq, I don't think he read any of the variations -- McLeod's modus operandi seems to be to go right back and read it off the pitch, and sweep anything fuller).

Callum says he did read him out of the hand .

[Vilander]

17 hours ago, Yamima Shaheen said:

Credit goes to Inzi for turning around Afghans when he was their coach. Before Inzi Afghans were just like Bangladesh and threw away wickets and had no sense of batting with responsibility.

Nope he did not do much..so let go..very poor overall. They regressed a bit under him. All due to lalchand rajput and coming to India.

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, Switchblade said:

Simmons with Ireland did a great job now doing the same with Afghanistan.

Very true.he makes a lot of sense

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, goose said:

Imagine being an Afghani teenager now growing up seeing your team perform like this, geographically (kind of) sandwiched between two giants of the sport. I am envious. 

Iran and pakistan ? Iran does well in sport yeah but not exactly a giant...pak meh..

[Switchblade]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Very true.he makes a lot of sense

When is the guy in your dp becoming coach then he must be applying for Pakistan’s pr management post 

[zaqw222222]

I really liked Simon Doull suggestion in Cricbuzz post match show that any team who visits India for a tour should play Afghanistan for either a test match or 3 match ODI series just like India and pakistan did with Ireland when they visited England this year. 

[abc]

1 hour ago, Tattieboy said:

Callum says he did read him out of the hand .

Wow!! That would make him one of the few in the world though ... I am impressed.

[Tattieboy]

2 hours ago, abc said:

Wow!! That would make him one of the few in the world though ... I am impressed.

One of the few?, Don't think so .Reading and playing it are two different things .

It's a batsman job to make the bowler think and adjust not just play the way he wants them to play . 

 

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, Switchblade said:

When is the guy in your dp becoming coach then he must be applying for Pakistan’s pr management post 

In time for pak world cup campaign mashaallah..