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Why are so many mediocre players suddenly being picked for our LOI teams ?

Are Indian selectors picking too many mediocre players for our LOI squads in 2018 ?  

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  1. 1. Are Indian selectors picking too many mediocre players for our LOI squads in 2018 ?

    • I think that most or all among Kaul, Shardul, Rayudu, Unadkat, Axar, Karthick are mediocre players and should not be selected for Team India
    • I thinks that most of the above names will have good careers in LOIs


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Not really a conspiracy theory - apart from Dhoni involvement, I think selectors are afraid of trying new players and risk their rankings.

They had to try out Pant because there was pressure from cricket experts to give him chance - and now they're compensating it by not giving them chance In LoIs.
Else the exclusion of Rahul seems even more baffling IMO.

Not only Kohli, but even Rohit is cliquey and influenced by Dhoni IMO

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Some of these mediocre players will have occasional good games ... and some may have a couple of good series too.  

 

No one who has reached this level is a total pushover.

 

But ... will they ever be consistent performers throughout the year or multiple years  ? 

 

Will they ever reach the levels reached by Kohli, Dhoni, Rohit, Dhawan, Bumrah etc. in ODIs ... or even come near it   ?

 

Aren't they blocking the spots of  more deserving candidates who have the potential to reach much greater heights in LOIs and help India win more matches   as a result  ?  

 

This is where eye for talent, for a particular format, comes in.  

 

 

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  • kohli loves experienced player , he has more confidence in them . Kohli doesnt have an eye for talent . Like when u read ganguly interview ull see how he has an eye for talent be it new or old player. He always says he looks for match winners. When chappell came he wanted young players left right centre 
  • MSK - head of selectors is among the likes of akash chopra who never had grr8 talent so they have a soft corner for cricketers who are hard working but lacks talent. 

Their wud be some pattern under every captain which will reflect how he thinks . Every captain has his kind of trust on some ppl . When roht will become  full time captain a team will be build acc to him. Right now his job is to captain a side which is being build for kohlis' vision 

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4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Some of these mediocre players will have occasional good games ... and some may have a couple of good series too.  

That is the problem with team mngmt they dnt have the eye

Take test cricket , they didnt understand dhawan n rohit are not meant for test so they keep giving them chances during home games or subcontinet games 

 

The minute the went to overseas the cycle begin again, they jst arent learning from their mistakes

 

Yes they are not bad players, they are above avg. But if we have to be a champion side we need match winners that were an eye for talent comes which doesnt look the case right now 

 

Sometimes i feel they dnt knw how good they are or they still living under old kind of cricket style

Once i did write about this we play safe n conservative 

So they feel safe with these knwn faces

 

This is a cycle thats being repeated again n again. 

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Aren't they blocking the spots of  more deserving candidates who have the potential to reach much greater heights in LOIs and help India win more matches   as a result  ?  

They dnt have faith in them

They associate inconsistency with young players...........the concept of investing in a player is not understood by current setup 

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3 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Incompetent selectors 

i really imagine them jokers sitting like this - - >:gossip: n selecting the team along with Bewda Shastri:beer-bottle:

I dnt wanna blame them also as much

They are doing a good job with A-team , yes in areas like fast bowling their eye for talent is 0

but they are giving the kind of player that this team mngmt is asking 

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Not a fan, but Axar still is young and has time to develop. Not a poor 5th bowler he can do the containing job but for that he has to improve his batting by leaps n bounds coz at the moment Krunal is way ahead of him and much more valuable as a lower order hitter and containing bowler. 

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Emotional Quotient, Model College ke Bhooke Nange deserves a place ahead of Rajpoot College ke Gabru Launde in a country of 1.2 Billion emotional fools. Selectors are thinking of TRP over Success and Victory, thats the only illogical logic i can think of in these bizarre selection policies. MSK prasad is the chief selector, could it get any worse. 

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I have lost all hope with this management and selectors.

Rahul ,krunal,Siraj,khaleel,pant and others were unfortunately born in the wrong era where all the selectors and management was high on bewda stuff....

The amount of great players coming up now ,we can only imagine what could have been with a captain like Ganguly,we would have been unbeatable

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17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That is the problem with team mngmt they dnt have the eye

Take test cricket , they didnt understand dhawan n rohit are not meant for test so they keep giving them chances during home games or subcontinet games 

 

The minute the went to overseas the cycle begin again, they jst arent learning from their mistakes


 

 

This shows lack of ability to identify format specific players and lack of thinking ability to some extent.

 

How will batters with poor off-stump games, like Dhawan and Rohit, succeed in test matches where the ball moves  !

 

This team mananagement thinking that getting batting practice against the white ball  in LOIs in England will prepare them for test cricket with the red Dukes ball  ... amazing lack of vision.

 

There is no one with thinking ability in this team management ...  something which Kumble had.

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This shows lack of ability to identify format specific players and lack of thinking ability to some extent.
 
How will batters with poor off-stump games, like Dhawan and Rohit, succeed in test matches where the ball moves  !
 
This team mananagement thinking that getting batting practice against the white ball  in LOIs in England will prepare them for test cricket with the red Dukes ball  ... amazing lack of vision.
 
There is no one with thinking ability in this team management ...  something which Kumble had.
Kumble is brainy


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29 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I dnt wanna blame them also as much

They are doing a good job with A-team , yes in areas like fast bowling their eye for talent is 0

 

 

Yes ... same group of selectors have chosen some really good  " A " teams.

 

Even fast bowlers.  Siraj, Saini and Rajpoot are the 3 best picks for Unofficial tests.

 

Khaleel and Prasidh are good picks for 50 over A-teams.

 

Saini and Mavi got selected for the Quadrangular A-team tournament.

 

Gill got a chance in the Unofficial test team.

 

All great picks.

 

Krunal, Gopal, Gowtham, Shankar  ... Mayank, Shaw, Vihari, Samarth ... all of them are there.

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes ... same group of selectors have chosen some really good  " A " teams.

 

Even fast bowlers.  Siraj, Saini and Rajpoot are the 3 best picks for Unofficial tests.

 

Khaleel and Prasidh are good picks for 50 over A-teams.

 

Saini and Mavi got selected for the Quadrangular A-team tournament.

 

Gill got a chance in the Unofficial test team.

 

All great picks.

A teams are Thier to serve selections for the national team ,what's the point of getting teams right there if you fail so spectacularly in choosing right players for where it matters ,which is national squad.

And whatever selections they do get right are nullified by bone headed captain's and management.Prime example is Rahul.

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13 minutes ago, RAZPOR said:

A teams are Thier to serve selections for the national team ,what's the point of getting teams right there if you fail so spectacularly in choosing right players for where it matters ,which is national squad.

And whatever selections they do get right are nullified by bone headed captain's and management.Prime example is Rahul.

 

Yes ... and it could mean a few things.

 

Dravid is positively influencing the correct selection of A-teams.

 

And  /   Or

 

Indian team management's influence is ruining senior national team selection.

 

Probably a bit of both.

 

But this difference in quality of selections of the Senior Teams and the A-teams need to be observed to get an idea of what is actually going on.

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes ... and it could mean a few things.

 

Dravid is positively influencing the correct selection of A-teams.

 

And  /   Or

 

Indian team management's influence is ruining senior national team selection.

 

Probably a bit of both.

 

But this difference in quality of selections of the Senior Teams and the A-teams need to be observed to get an idea of what is actually going on.

Obviously means team management are a bunch of morons along with useless captain

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26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

This shows lack of ability to identify format specific players and lack of thinking ability to some extent.

 

How will batters with poor off-stump games, like Dhawan and Rohit, succeed in test matches where the ball moves  !

 

This team mananagement thinking that getting batting practice against the white ball  in LOIs in England will prepare them for test cricket with the red Dukes ball  ... amazing lack of vision.

 

There is no one with thinking ability in this team management ...  something which Kumble had.

worst part is forget having an eye for talent , they dnt even learn after poor results

  • When dhawan n rohit failed badly in 1st cycle of overseas- they didnt learn
  • When raina was selected again did someone check has he solved his bouncer issue?? No. All they saw was he cleared yo-yo so he must have improved
  • Kaul bowling in england looked very ordinary, how hard was it to judge.
  • Rayudu keep coming back again n again, has anyone checked that his games has improved agianst pace n bounce overseas. Or are they dumb that they dnt understand that IPL is diff from international cricket. The logic of his IPL is beyond me coz when was he bad in IPL. 
  • Karthik - 14 yrs and yet we dnt learn. He pilled on runs in domestic so what happened in england how did his feet frooze....he never had format issues 

 

So players are being selected back in team after being dropped without checking if they have improved

N same mistakes are being repeated again n again

 

 

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It's a structural weakness in Indian cricket where favors, star power, ad hoc-ism, and mutual back scratching works.

 

Lodha committee should have focused on eliminating these entrenched weaknesses but they got sucked into a power tussle beyond their remit. Sending teams to ICC event and what have you.

 

What this means is that youngsters who are unfairly struggling to get opportunities today will quickly internalize the corrupt practices once they get their turn.

 

It's a self-perpetuating mess.

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32 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes ... same group of selectors have chosen some really good  " A " teams.

 

Even fast bowlers.  Siraj, Saini and Rajpoot are the 3 best picks for Unofficial tests.

 

Khaleel and Prasidh are good picks for 50 over A-teams.

 

Saini and Mavi got selected for the Quadrangular A-team tournament.

 

Gill got a chance in the Unofficial test team.

 

All great picks.

 

Krunal, Gopal, Gowtham, Shankar  ... Mayank, Shaw, Vihari, Samarth ... all of them are there.

so its simple what captain is asking for , he has a vision which is about experienced players for Wc. Looks like he took "experience is the key in big tournament" line to srsly 

 

i dnt even think its even shastri, have heard him in commentary for yrs he was strong supporter of young players

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes ... and it could mean a few things.

 

Dravid is positively influencing the correct selection of A-teams.

 

And  /   Or

 

Indian team management's influence is ruining senior national team selection.

 

Probably a bit of both.

 

But this difference in quality of selections of the Senior Teams and the A-teams need to be observed to get an idea of what is actually going on.

Possibly 

but every one is wrong somewere but captain is always the front runner 

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56 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

worst part is forget having an eye for talent , they dnt even learn after poor results

  • When dhawan n rohit failed badly in 1st cycle of overseas- they didnt learn
  • When raina was selected again did someone check has he solved his bouncer issue?? No. All they saw was he cleared yo-yo so he must have improved
  • Kaul bowling in england looked very ordinary, how hard was it to judge.
  • Rayudu keep coming back again n again, has anyone checked that his games has improved agianst pace n bounce overseas. Or are they dumb that they dnt understand that IPL is diff from international cricket. The logic of his IPL is beyond me coz when was he bad in IPL. 
  • Karthik - 14 yrs and yet we dnt learn. He pilled on runs in domestic so what happened in england how did his feet frooze....he never had format issues 

 

So players are being selected back in team after being dropped without checking if they have improved

N same mistakes are being repeated again n again

 

 

 

 

Selecting correct types of players for each format is necessary for maximizing the probability of consistent success of the selected players and the team.

 

1 )   Pacers for tests and to a large extent even ODIs --   Pacers who combine pace, zip and bounce with skills including sufficuent accuracy and thinking ability.

 

2 )  Batsmen for tests -- Batsmen with good off stump game, who are ok against bounce too and are decent against spinners.

 

3 )  All condition spinners -- Spinners who give the ball lots of revs and can turn the ball on most surfaces,  who get some zip and bounce off the deck, are sufficiently accurate and have the googly / carrom ball / flipper / arm ball.

 

4 )   Lower middle order batters for LOIs  ( 5 to 7  ) -- High SR batters who can start scoring from ball one, can hit big shots off pacers (  because pacers usually bowl the end overs ), are reasonably consistent and can bowl or keep wickets.

 

So on and so forth  ...

 

Just picking a few players because they have performed in domestic cricket or even A-team ... although they are not the correct type of player ... them failing as a result ... then drop them and pick new ones ... rinse and repeat ... makes no sense.

 

P.s -- Wrong types of players can be chosen occasionally if they are superlative performers whereever they play,  seem very intelligent and seem to have great temperament.

 

 

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About 18-24 months before the world cup itself, selectors stop giving chances to newer talent citing the need to have experienced players for the most important tourney. Though it isn't the right thing to do, IPL has a big influence over selections. CSK's success with aged players might also have nudged the selectors firmly towards the "experience Trump's everything" strategy. Add to that captain Kohli's reluctance to field new players. I think he wants to win every single  match and doesn't like the idea of having to potentially lose a match by trying out an untested youngster. Also, Kohli's brilliance and the openers' success masked the rotten state of our middle order for quite a while. It is only now that mainstream observers like Ganguly are feeling alarmed. Bowling has always been a revolving door selection so no one even pays attention to who is being picked and who is left out. 

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16 minutes ago, nevada said:

About 18-24 months before the world cup itself, selectors stop giving chances to newer talent citing the need to have experienced players for the most important tourney. Though it isn't the right thing to do, IPL has a big influence over selections. CSK's success with aged players might also have nudged the selectors firmly towards the "experience Trump's everything" strategy. Add to that captain Kohli's reluctance to field new players. I think he wants to win every single  match and doesn't like the idea of having to potentially lose a match by trying out an untested youngster. Also, Kohli's brilliance and the openers' success masked the rotten state of our middle order for quite a while.

yes i feel that has also given confidence in their theory

But What about CSk culture of making player secure, wish kohli cud learn that to

 

16 minutes ago, nevada said:

It is only now that mainstream observers like Ganguly are feeling alarmed. Bowling has always been a revolving door selection so no one even pays attention to who is being picked and who is left out. 

Whats worrying is guys in line for coaching likes sehwag also was a A-grade fool in all these

N our ex-coach kumble also had a faith in ex-players like yuvraj, gambhir

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2 minutes ago, Number said:

Pant is not selected in ODIs because if he does well selectors will be under pressure to drop Dhoni.

 

even if that happens why cnt they both play in XI

karthik n dhoni are playing n has played so many times before 

 

No one selects a team to loose coz then they are putting their jobs online, simple they dnt have the vision 

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12 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Just read an astonishing stat that KL Rahul hasn't got a run of more than 4 ODIs so far in his career. How insane is this?

 

 

And out of those 4 ODIs in Sri Lanka,  Rahul batted in only 3.

 

In England, he played just 2 ODIs and was not out in one of them.

 

Iyer got to bat in 5 ODIs, most probably consecutive ones.  Averaged 42 with a SR of 96 batting at 4.  But is out of the squad now, not just the playing 11.

 

 

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Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

even if that happens why cnt they both play in XI

karthik n dhoni are playing n has played so many times before 

 

No one selects a team to loose coz then they are putting their jobs online, simple they dnt have the vision 

Yes but then Dhoni is out of form from some time. As of now he is tolerated because he is the wicket keeper. If Pant comes and scores runs as a batsman then pressure will mount on Dhoni as there is already a much better batsman in the team who can handle glovework.

The reason Karthiks and Pappus were allowed to be in the team for decades is because they were mediocre players and mgmnt knew they will eventually lose their spots to a better batsmen.

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7 minutes ago, Number said:

Yes but then Dhoni is out of form from some time. As of now he is tolerated because he is the wicket keeper. If Pant comes and scores runs as a batsman then pressure will mount on Dhoni as there is already a much better batsman in the team who can handle glovework.

The reason Karthiks and Pappus were allowed to be in the team for decades is because they were mediocre players and mgmnt knew they will eventually lose their spots to a better batsmen.

IF pant comes good they will play him as batsman

If they dnt wanna drop dhoni they dnt no matter what 

 

I dnt buy this logic to make him look u select bad player, u will loose and public scrutiny will also be on dhoni as in this age happens

Get good players around him so they can carry him n he looks good , if ur winning everything is brushed under carpet 

 

Reality is they dnt have an eye for talent. How is KL, krunal competition to dhoni that they cnt get in team

 

If they rated pant highly they wud have played him even ahead of karthik , he only played when karthik batted horribly n had an injury to

 

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I seriously hope Rayudu and DK fail miserably in this tourney even if it comes at the cost of India being knocked out. Not gonna happen for the leech that they are. Both Rayudu and DK have already shown that they just want to hold on to their places by trying to remain not out. Playing minnows and low scoring matches is not helping either. 

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13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

IF pant comes good they will play him as batsman

If they dnt wanna drop dhoni they dnt no matter what 

 

I dnt buy this logic to make him look u select bad player, u will loose and public scrutiny will also be on dhoni as in this age happens

Get good players around him so they can carry him n he looks good , if ur winning everything is brushed under carpet 

 

Reality is they dnt have an eye for talent. How is KL, krunal competition to dhoni that they cnt get in team

 

If they rated pant highly they wud have played him even ahead of karthik , he only played when karthik batted horribly n had an injury to

 

Lol true, if you read some of the conspiracy theories you would think it's a soap opera rather than cricket

X player was selected or not selected, to make Y player look good or bad :laugh:

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37 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes i feel that has also given confidence in their theory

But What about CSk culture of making player secure, wish kohli cud learn that to

 

Whats worrying is guys in line for coaching likes sehwag also was a A-grade fool in all these

N our ex-coach kumble also had a faith in ex-players like yuvraj, gambhir

100% agreed. Kohli seems to have neither the sharp eye to spot new talent nor the skill to nurture and bring out the best in the players within the team. When a reporter questioned him about players becoming worried about their career due to constant chop and change, he replied that such worries are bizarre but promptly showed the door to Vijay whose career is pretty much over. Of course, Vijay didn't do anything special to keep his place but could he have scored better with the captain providing him support? We will never know. Also agreed about Kumble bringing back Yuvi and Gambhir from cold storage. Even Parthiv made a comeback in Kumble's time and Karun Nayar got dropped after scoring a triple century. They could have given him one more game to make use of his red hot form but went the seniority route instead 

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We almost lost to Bangladesh playing without Shakib and Tamim.  Barely scraped through at the last ball.

 

If this does not send a message acrooss to the Team management and selectors regarding faulty selection policy of picking too many mediocre players  ....  nothing will.

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When is the ODI squad getting selected  ?

 

Which new mediocre player selection awaits us  ?

 

How many such players would be selected this time  ?

 

 

P.s -   I typed " ODI " squad and auto-correct changed it to " OLD "  squad.     :cantstop:

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