SecondSlip Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Quote With warm-up matches being almost negligible these days and India's overseas woes continuing, it's best if India start treating home games like practice before an overseas tour. In this case, with the impending Australian tour - another shot for India to improve their overseas record - the two home Tests against West Indies could be used as warm-up games, or, to be accurate, preparatory matches for that series. This is not in any way trying to belittle West Indies as a team, or the importance of this series, but really, time has come for India to improve their poor overseas record. India have achieved most other things in the game, but this is one peak they have not been able to scale. Indian cricket is now senior in age and in a very advantageous position with regards to its resources and the popularity of the sport. It's almost incumbent on India to rule the cricketing world, which means that like West Indies and Australia did at their prime, India need to beat teams like South Africa, England, New Zealand and Australia in their backyards. This has to be the only goal now as far as Test cricket is concerned, and the maturing Indian fans are, I am sure, ready to bear setbacks at home if, in return, they see India winning overseas. From that standpoint, I wish India had done more with the selection of the team for the West Indies series, specifically with regards to their batting. I would have liked to see another senior batsman, like Cheteshwar Pujara, rested to have a look at one more fresh option, along with Prithvi Shaw and Mayank Agarwal, to fill the batting holes that cost India the series in England. Pujara will get a pile of runs against West Indies, like he always does at home, and will also tour Australia and get the hard runs there, being the industrious batsman he is. By playing him against West Indies, is Indian cricket gaining anything? The more new batsmen you try, the better your chances of finding two new batting options with the potential to do well overseas. As far as Ajinkya Rahane and KL Rahul are concerned, they need to play every game, for both (despite Rahul's hundred at The Oval) are clearly out of form. A few quality innings against West Indies may at least raise their self-confidence before the Australia tour, if not address the technical issues that haunted them in England. While I say this, it's also important to note that when you play at home, none of the issues that can plague you overseas are easily visible. A batsman hitting a good-length ball off Kemar Roach through the line will be applauded for a wonderful cover drive, but that same shot will cost him his wicket in Australia. Rahul and Rahane are senior enough now to know fully well what works in India does not work overseas. For them, it's about making the adjustment once they get overseas, but with runs at home, they will be able to do it better. Otherwise they will be worried about keeping their place in the side, and if this is the case, you only end up seeing the worst side of a batsman. To make the most of the West Indies series with an eye on Australia, the selectors have to be smart when they are watching the action. More than focusing on the runs the batsmen are getting, they need to focus on how they are getting those runs. Watch the batsmen's techniques closely, especially their defensive technique. Can they instinctively leave balls outside the off stump? Are they defending with a still bat, or pushing away from their body only with their hands? Are they using the space behind the batting crease? Are they decisively forward and back while batting? I know as commentator I will be doing this, even if the selectors don't. It's the batsmen's defensive technique that let India down badly in England and batting is, thankfully, the only real ailment to cure for Indian cricket to compete better overseas. India have another great chance, for Australia, like England, are a weakened side (without David Warner and Steven Smith), giving India an opportunity to better their overseas image. But here's the real good news for Indian batsmen and Indian fans. Unlike in South Africa and England, the ball is likely to come more in straight lines in Australia. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24880844/india-rested-cheteshwar-pujara-west-indies-series UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Should have thrown Rahane out but Manju will not say that Number, Cricketics, velu and 4 others 1 4 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Excellent article from my moniker..here is one dude who does not let trivial matters like shame get in way of the grand agenda.. On topic..after the two tests its all rest for pujara..if pujara rests any more all the chairs sectionals ..sofas stools etc in his house will have an impression in the shape of his butt in them. tweaker and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 They can rest Manjrekar from commentary box for few series and bring Arun Lal back. saik, UrmiSinhaRay, Laaloo and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) i think it would have been so effective to rest Pujara and play Hanuma & Mayank too. Windies is a lower ranked team. We have bowlers like Ashwin,Jadeja,Kuldeep,Bhuvi & keeper Pant who all can bat. So this was one golden oppertunity to test 3 youngsters in Mayank,Vihari & Shaw. Edited October 3, 2018 by rtmohanlal UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
nevada Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, UnknownGenius said: I read the headline and automatically knew that this would be from the bambi lobby, horrible Sanjay Manjrekar. Needless to say I didn't read rest of the article Why would you rest Pujara? He only plays test matches, rest of the year is anyway rest.... Typical bambi this manju dude is....talks rubbish all the time to promote agenda I stopped reading after I saw this gem in the first paragraph - "it's best if India start treating home games like practice before an overseas tour.". How can you practice on Indian wickets for an overseas tour? Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) And i appreciate Manjrekar's longsighted ness here.We need to find a top 6 who can perform brilliantly as a unit in SENA. Kohli is certainly one. Rahane too has a great record. But has been a bit off colour at home. So this WI series is a great oppertunity for him to put some runs and gain in confidence. Pujara with a very mediocre record after playing seven series in SENA is not at all a long term solution.Even if Pujara didn't play in this Windies series it would have cost almost nothing for India in terms of result because a lot of bowlers & WK too can bat in these conditions especially against a lower ranked Windies team. So 3 youngsters needed to have played. Infact in my view India needed to play 7 -1-3 combination for this series. All 4 , Shaw,Mayank,Vihari & least of all Rahul needed to have played.Vihari could have become that stock - strike bowler for the series with Ashswin-Jadeja-Shami/Yadav completing the bowler set Edited October 4, 2018 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
SUMO Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Resting doesnt apply in test cricket. Dravid tendulkar laxman never rested even if its bang or zim. Every test is prestigious and every body wants to play 100 tests. Link to comment
diga Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Cricketics said: They can rest Manjrekar from commentary box for few series and bring Arun Lal back. and Gavaskar should have retired. Mumbai lobby Cricketics 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, SUMO said: Resting doesnt apply in test cricket. Dravid tendulkar laxman never rested even if its bang or zim. Every test is prestigious and every body wants to play 100 tests. India never needed to rest 'Sachin and that group' because they formed a formidable unit for every condition. If any, only one opening slot required to test new faces during those times. Even Gambhir, the least efficient of that top 6 (Sachin,Dravid,Sourav,Laxman & Sehwag the other 5) was far better than any one from the current group baring Kohli. For an opener he avg:ed almost 48 after first 44 tests before he alarmingly fell apart. And he avg:ed so hugely in 'SAF & NZL( the only 2 countries of SENA in which he played till that time) combined' before he fell apart. It is not as to 'Every test is prestigious and every body wants to play 100 tests.' It is for the betterment of the team that such experiments are needed, Link to comment
Moochad Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 They need match practice and runs before the Aus tour. doubt too many will be high on confidence with England series results, so its good to get some runs here at least UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 India should have kicked out Rahane, he is just done on this level. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
diga Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 10 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: And i appreciate Manjrekar's longsighted ness here.We need to find a top 6 who can perform brilliantly as a unit in SENA. Kohli is certainly one. Rahane too has a great record. But has been a bit off colour at home. So this WI series is a great oppertunity for him to put some runs and gain in confidence. Pujara with a very mediocre record after playing seven series in SENA is not at all a long term solution.Even if Pujara didn't play in this Windies series it would have cost almost nothing for India in terms of result because a lot of bowlers & WK too can bat in these conditions especially against a lower ranked Windies team. So 3 youngsters needed to have played. Infact in my view India needed to play 7 -1-3 combination for this series. All 4 , Shaw,Mayank,Vihari & least of all Rahul needed to have played.Vihari could have become that stock - strike bowler for the series with Ashswin-Jadeja-Shami/Yadav completing the bowler set Ok .. Mr.Mumbaikar Pujara may not be a vital cog in Australia. In the current form he is better than Rahane and in the absence of a settled top order, Pujara should get all the practice before the Australian tour. This time we have a very good chance of winning in Australia in the absence of Smith/Warner UrmiSinhaRay and The Dark Horse 1 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, diga said: Ok .. Mr.Mumbaikar Pujara may not be a vital cog in Australia. In the current form he is better than Rahane and in the absence of a settled top order, Pujara should get all the practice before the Australian tour. This time we have a very good chance of winning in Australia in the absence of Smith/Warner I agree, Pujara is way better than Rahane at the moment. Edited October 4, 2018 by wanted_desi UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Today's his mumbai purana reached intolerable levels. Rightnow Prithivi shaw has lot of fans. But it might reduce because of Manjrekar. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Ganjerkar...Ganja pee ke bakta aur likhta hai. who pays him for such ****! Switchblade, Laaloo and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, diga said: Ok .. Mr.Mumbaikar Pujara may not be a vital cog in Australia. In the current form he is better than Rahane and in the absence of a settled top order, Pujara should get all the practice before the Australian tour. This time we have a very good chance of winning in Australia in the absence of Smith/Warner For your info: I am not from Mumbai or Maharashtra. and what i say is only from the point of view of the benefit of team. No Rahane or Pujara or 'x' matters for me. For me 'current form' is much less a priority when compared to a players 'strong & weak zones'. And this , I am saying from the experience of watching several players from the past, For instance , Ganguly. If it was AUS , it was almost certain that he would be 'good' at best there . The same man in the just succeeding ENG series will turn into a monster out of no where.Sehwag always struggled in NZL & SAF. Come next AUS series, he scores aplenty. Sachin was way off in SAF thru out except last tour. In the nest AUS or ENG series, this never bothered him to score hugely.Laxman was like duck into water in AUS. But in ENG we doubted as to whether it was the same Laxman who was in marauding form til before that point.Kapil was like duck into water in AUS & WI. Come the ENG or NZL series, he couldn't rise to those levels.So basically, it is from this experience that I am telling. I would wait till the coming AUS series to have a verdict on Rahane. As for Pujara , a batsmen with no avg: of even 35 in any of SENA & even a lower ranked WI even after 8 or 9 series in these countries, I wonder as to how any body can support him!!!!! And he is getting no younger either.... If form is all that matters, you can pick any Devang Gandhi from domestic and play in SENA only to get disappointed. Edited October 4, 2018 by rtmohanlal UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Atleast Kahane plays in the IPL. lol Pujara doesn't get sold in the IPL. If he loses Tests chances as well what will he do? Moronic idea. sensible-indian, UrmiSinhaRay and Vilander 1 2 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 54 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Atleast Kahane plays in the IPL. lol Pujara doesn't get sold in the IPL. If he loses Tests chances as well what will he do? Moronic idea. Brilliant idea..... then we can do one thing ... going forward, in each international match randomly select 11 poor people from across the country. Each of them will benefit by a lot there by. This process will benefit hundreds of poor people where as what you said will benefit only one already hugely rich Pujara. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Brilliant idea..... then we can do one thing ... going forward, in each international match randomly select 11 poor people from across the country. Each of them will benefit by a lot there by. This process will benefit hundreds of poor people where as what you said will benefit only one already hugely rich Pujara. You hatred for Pujara is hilarious. Jimmy Cliff and zen 2 Link to comment
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