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Gujju pride killing the indian lions off. 23 die in short time

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Virus that killed 1000 Lions in Africa wiping out the 300 odd Indian Lions.  

 

MP govt , experts and SC have been fighting Gujarat govt for decades trying to move some of the lions to MP.  

 

Guj govt because of pathetic pride and stupidity has brought this upon us. 

 

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/virus-that-killed-1000-lions-in-tanzania-responsible-for-11-of-23-deaths-in-gir-toll-may-go-up-1897515.html

 

Truly pathetic. 

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From 1995 to 2017 the battle raged SC order environmental ministry order... Keshubhai Patel govt n modi govt all of them were complicit in this debacle.  Finally MP released the Kuno sanctury open to tigers last year.. Giving up on Asiatic lion reintroduction.. 

 

Piss poor. 

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/bhopal/tired-of-gujarat-reluctance-on-gir-lions-mp-to-release-tigers-in-kuno/articleshow/61937836.cms

 

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 It is also to be noted that in 2009 when Narendra Modi was the Chief Minister of Gujarat, he entered into a public spat with the then environment minister over the relocation of lions. Ramesh, who then said that it was important for genetic stability and health, Modi, however, refused to part with the “pride of Gujarat.”

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36 minutes ago, velu said:

they worked decades for increasing the lions population :((

 

Ingrates.. When a scientific research backed forum asks them to translocate and SC orders them environmental ministry requests the move approves the translocation space.. Relocates tigers villages.. Scum bags don't move the lions because it pride of ducking Gujarat.. Pathetic now we will loose them all.. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

what has this virus to do with moving lions to MP? that is a completely different issue. Virus can kill them even in MP.

Lion population in different area provide better protection to species.Population confined to single area is more  vulnerable if epidemic spreads

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7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

what has this virus to do with moving lions to MP? that is a completely different issue. Virus can kill them even in MP.

Bhai you don't have to argue just for the sake of it. An epidemic has far more chances to exterminate an endangered species when they are all concentrated at one place.

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7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

what has this virus to do with moving lions to MP? that is a completely different issue. Virus can kill them even in MP.

Basic premise it. When you have two seperate populations there is better chance of survival from epedemics. Read the content a bit before commenting.

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15 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Bhai you don't have to argue just for the sake of it. An epidemic has far more chances to exterminate an endangered species when they are all concentrated at one place.

Lots of such cases in gujrat i suppose..lolz no wonder inspite of research and conservationalists backing the asiatic lion reintroduction failed because of this pathetic gujrati pride..simple apathy. 

 

Asiatic lions dont have a stud registry in zoos so there will be african genes in any future reintroduction..

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2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Lots of such cases in gujrat i suppose..lolz no wonder inspite of research and conservationalists backing the asiatic lion reintroduction failed because of this pathetic gujrati pride..simple apathy. 

 

Asiatic lions dont have a stud registry in zoos so there will be african genes in any future reintroduction..

Is it really about the haughty pride though? I confess I haven't followed this case earnestly like others. What's the official explanation by the Gujjus?

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7 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Is it really about the haughty pride though? I confess I haven't followed this case earnestly like others. What's the official explanation by the Gujjus?

lots through the years..

 

1, Tigers will eat lions ( so they moved all the tigers out of the range)

2, sanctuary does not comply to regulations ( they got all regulatory bodies to acredit and environment ministry to approve)

3,finally they dragged their feet with due process...

4, minister put pressure directly on narendra modi who was cm.

5, he said he wont part with the lions as they are 'pride of gujrat'.

6, SC made multiple rulings - they just did not comply..as sentiment of gujjus will be hurt if their state symbol lion is shared with others..morons.

 

lowest form of irreverant apathy to a megafauna of Asian heritage, world heritage...found only in gujju land..

 

any other state we would have had 2-3 stable populations by now.

 

thanks to great leaders like this..who just do not want to look at the issue with the seriousness it needs.

 

MAC47_MODI_POST01.jpg

 

 

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you would imagine that PM will want to safeguard the remaining population when all this threat of epidemic is raging over gir..

 

hehe well guess what.. they are more interested in making Gir a world heritage center..because of being the 'only home' of Asiatic lions 

 

https://ahmedabadmirror.indiatimes.com/ahmedabad/cover-story/pride-of-gujarat-can-become-pride-of-the-world-/articleshow/65971606.cms

 

The PM takes keen interest in issues related to Gir. We are preparing a report to be sent to his office. Suggestions made for conservation since 2001will be included.

Ramanlal Patkar, MoS, Forest

If Manas and Kaziranga can get the natural heritage site tag then so can Gir Sanctuary which houses endangered species Asiatic Lion. I am not sure whether efforts are afoot to apply to the world body.

-A K Sharma, retired PCCF

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17 minutes ago, Vilander said:

lots through the years..

 

1, Tigers will eat lions ( so they moved all the tigers out of the range)

2, sanctuary does not comply to regulations ( they got all regulatory bodies to acredit and environment ministry to approve)

3,finally they dragged their feet with due process...

4, minister put pressure directly on narendra modi who was cm.

5, he said he wont part with the lions as they are 'pride of gujrat'.

6, SC made multiple rulings - they just did not comply..as sentiment of gujjus will be hurt if their state symbol lion is shared with others..morons.

 

lowest form of irreverant apathy to a megafauna of Asian heritage, world heritage...found only in gujju land..

 

any other state we would have had 2-3 stable populations by now.

 

thanks to great leaders like this..who just do not want to look at the issue with the seriousness it needs.

 

MAC47_MODI_POST01.jpg

 

 

That's really shameful tbh. Had any South Indian state done it, it would have been a breaking news with pride of Gujarat Shri Amit Shah ji accusing them of Dravidian propaganda and what not.

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9 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

That's really shameful tbh. Had any South Indian state done it, it would have been a breaking news with pride of Gujarat Shri Amit Shah ji accusing them of Dravidian propaganda and what not.

Its disgusting that they can let this happen...we can loose them for ever.

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The Guj govt should transfer some of the lions to the MP sanctuary to be introduced there. Pretty irresponsible by them in this case with not transfering some of the pop. They seem to be opening some new parks now to transfer the animals within Guj now after the news has spread.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/after-23-deaths-in-20-days-gujarat-plans-2-safari-parks-to-accommodate-growing-number-of-gir-lions-1898781.html 

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Ahmedabad (Guj): In the wake of the death of 23 Asiatic lions in Gujarat's Gir forest in the last 20 days, the state government on Thursday announced setting up two safari parks near here and in Narmada district to accommodate the growing population of big cats.

The government would also shift some of the lions in the upcoming parks as their population in the Gir sanctuary has gone up to 600, a minister said.


"One such park would come up near the Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel's upcoming 'Statue of Unity' near Rajpipla town of Narmada district and another one near Ahmedabad," minister of state for forest Raman Patkar said at Vapi in Valsad district.

^ They should have done this a while ago I think...

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

what has this virus to do with moving lions to MP? that is a completely different issue. Virus can kill them even in MP.

The virus, by virtue of it coming all the way from Tanzania to Guj, could spread to MP as well. FWIU, it is spread by other infected animals, so the lions also being in MP would not necessarily prevent further infection of the population.  This is especially true b/c Guj and MP share a border and no doubt both animal and human migration happen between the states = chance of virus spreading.

 

It doesn't look like a issue of Guj pride so much as I think they tried being oversmart with marketing:

Basically Gir Forest becomes a UN recognized site with the selling point as home of the only Asiatic Lion pop, and then tourism increases... but If they are all dead then there is no point:facepalm:

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1 hour ago, Moochad said:

The Guj govt should transfer some of the lions to the MP sanctuary to be introduced there. Pretty irresponsible by them in this case with not transfering some of the pop. They seem to be opening some new parks now to transfer the animals within Guj now after the news has spread.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/after-23-deaths-in-20-days-gujarat-plans-2-safari-parks-to-accommodate-growing-number-of-gir-lions-1898781.html 

^ They should have done this a while ago I think...

The virus, by virtue of it coming all the way from Tanzania to Guj, could spread to MP as well. FWIU, it is spread by other infected animals, so the lions also being in MP would not necessarily prevent further infection of the population.  This is especially true b/c Guj and MP share a border and no doubt both animal and human migration happen between the states = chance of virus spreading.

 

It doesn't look like a issue of Guj pride so much as I think they tried being oversmart with marketing:

Basically Gir Forest becomes a UN recognized site with the selling point as home of the only Asiatic Lion pop, and then tourism increases... but If they are all dead then there is no point:facepalm:

virus does not come from Tanzania..it spreads from human habitation and dog feces.

 

there are similar cases in wolves in kenyan highlands.. need a secure population in some highly secluded national park, guj simply does not have more space to do that, need some lion sanctuarys in MP, even identify other such territories in other arid semi arid locations lots in Rajastan, Karnataka, TN, Andhra..

 

this should be the wakeup call. Gir will still be pre eminent - just have other healthy populations. 

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10 minutes ago, Vilander said:

virus does not come from Tanzania..it spreads from human habitation and dog feces.

 

there are similar cases in wolves in kenyan highlands.. need a secure population in some highly secluded national park, guj simply does not have more space to do that, need some lion sanctuarys in MP, even identify other such territories in other arid semi arid locations lots in Rajastan, Karnataka, TN, Andhra..

 

this should be the wakeup call. Gir will still be pre eminent - just have other healthy populations. 

yeah I misread the bolded...

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The government has launched massive operations to ensure that the infection does not spread to other big cats in their only abode in Asia.


According to officials, a deadly combination of Canine Distemper Virus and Protozoal infection is responsible for the death of at least 11 of 23 lions in the Gir sanctuary.

The condition of three of over 36 lions currently under observation of Forest department is critical, officials said.


Other lions in the sanctuary are being examined randomly to find out if they are infected by the CDV whose outbreak had killed over a thousand lions in Serengeti forest areas in Tanzania in 1990s.

The mass deaths have jolted the government which has launched a number of measures including importing 300 shots of a vaccine from the US to protect the lions.

 

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This says this virus affects many types of animals

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Host range[edit]

Distemper, or hardpad disease in canines,[14] affects animals in the families Canidae (dog, fox, wolf, Raccoon dog), Mustelidae (ferret, mink, skunk, wolverine, marten, badger, otter),[11][14] Procyonidae (raccoon, coati), Ailuridae (red panda), Ursidae (bear), Elephantidae (Asian elephant), and some primates (e.g., Japanese monkey),[11] as well as Viverridae (raccoon-like South Asian[citation needed] binturong, palm civet),[11] Hyaenidae (hyena),[citation needed] Pinnipedia (seals, walrus, sea lion, etc.),[15][9][citation needed] and large Felidae (cats,[11] though not domestic cats.[citation needed])

In a captive population of giant pandas in China (Shanxi Rare Wild Animal Rescue and Research Center), six of 22 captive pandas were infected by CDV. All but one infected panda died; the survivor had previously been vaccinated.[16]

The good thing is that the vector doesn't seem to be kinds of birds or mosquitoes...   

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9 minutes ago, Moochad said:

yeah I misread the bolded...

 

yeah its pretty sad, i saw a documentary...

 

there was a wolf that struggles hard alone finally gets accepted in a big clan -- gets pup guard duty it was nice etc..makes progress does well..and one roughup with some farm dogs it rolls around on dog feces and dies of this crap disease in a few months. gut wrenching story, these animals have no place in the human world thats the reality.

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21 hours ago, Vilander said:

virus does not come from Tanzania..it spreads from human habitation and dog feces.

 

there are similar cases in wolves in kenyan highlands.. need a secure population in some highly secluded national park, guj simply does not have more space to do that, need some lion sanctuarys in MP, even identify other such territories in other arid semi arid locations lots in Rajastan, Karnataka, TN, Andhra..

 

this should be the wakeup call. Gir will still be pre eminent - just have other healthy populations. 

do we have such highly secluded park? Can they do it in Jim Corbett national park?

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

do we have such highly secluded park? Can they do it in Jim Corbett national park?

MP is obvious choice, apparently they qualify it based on historical range, presence of large prey, and affluence of  farming communities in the borders ( meaning lions will take cattle and if the headers are poor they will kill the lions off  rich ones can be brought into programs and be convinced to protect the lions)etc .. the dense  equatorial jungles are no place for Lions as tigers will predate them there, any and all of the semi arid to deciduous national parks in the entire belt of central india  through Andhra  all the way till TN etc are prime candidates.

 

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On 10/5/2018 at 10:19 PM, Vilander said:

having said that, there is a place in Kenya i believe were Lions live in a jungle.

 

Will research and add here, that is the only pride that lives in a jungle habitat.

 

lions live in grasslands :p:

tigers live in jungles + grasslands

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