Pujara & Miandad

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

An attack featuring Hadlee and Chatfield would be a handful for most batsmen today .

Not on that kind of pitch though .... and the way Miandad and Pujara play spinners is somewhat similar 

 

In fact Qadir got 7 wkts in that game Link  .... NZ spinners or part timers bowled 110 overs in that inning

Edited October 5, 2018 by zen

[rkt.india]

29 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

An attack featuring Hadlee and Chatfield would be a handful for most batsmen today .

Chatfield averaged 32 with an SR of 84 in supposedly a bowling friendly era.  He would not trouble a tailender these days. if he could 32 in that era, I dont think he would average anything below 45 and SR below 100 in this era.

[Jimmy Cliff]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

Not on that kind of pitch though .... and the way Miandad and Pujara play spinners is somewhat similar 

 

In fact Qadir got 7 wkts in that game Link  .... NZ spinners or part timers bowled 110 overs in that inning

That's actually one of his major weaknesses - post 2013, he doesn't cash in even on relatively benign pitches outside the subcontinent. In the subcontinent, he finds a way to score on rank turners or green mambas but outside he fails to convert his starts even on roads generally. I'd actually back him to get a 40-50 on a tough wicket than get a daddy hundred on a flat pitch in SENA.

[Jimmy Cliff]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Chatfield averaged 32 with an SR of 84 in supposedly a bowling friendly era.  He would not trouble a tailender these days. if he could 32 in that era, I dont think he would average anything below 45 and SR below 100 in this era.

Going by that Lahori logic, you must think Kapil would also average 38-40 in this era at a SR of 80 odd .

[zen]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

That's actually one of his major weaknesses - post 2013, he doesn't cash in even on relatively benign pitches outside the subcontinent. In the subcontinent, he finds a way to score on rank turners or green mambas but outside he fails to convert his starts even on roads generally. I'd actually back him to get a 40-50 on a tough wicket than get a daddy hundred on a flat pitch in SENA.

Daddy 100s, you don't score everyday. If he can get 100-120 that could help his avg too to get closer to 40 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

you must think Kapil would also average 38-40 in this era at a SR of 80 odd .

Kapil of 90s (the trundler) was close to those numbers, esp the SR  

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
unfiltered	1978-1994	131	227	4623.2	1060	12867	434	9/83	11/146	29.64	2.78	63.9	23	2	Profile
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The 92 test series in Aus actually helped him to improve the numbers .... In Aus, Kapil has usually been outstanding 

 

[Jimmy Cliff]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Daddy 100s, you don't score everyday. If he can get 100-120 that could help his avg too to get closer to 40 

Chalo baby 100s hi sahi. He has just 1 100 post 2013. Frankly I don't think he's ever gonna average more than the low 30s in SENA. What I wanna see from him is that when he gets those rare hundreds, he makes them count and wins India the tests. That is why his failure in the 2nd innings of the 4th Test pissed me off. He'd kept us alive with his 132* in the 1st dig and should've got another score in the 2nd innings to help us win the Test. That would've redeemed him big-time as an overseas Test bat.

[zen]

Just now, Jimmy Cliff said:

Chalo baby 100s hi sahi. He has just 1 100 post 2013. Frankly I don't think he's ever gonna average more than the low 30s in SENA. What I wanna see from him is that when he gets those rare hundreds, he makes them count and wins India the tests. That is why his failure in the 2nd innings of the 4th Test pissed me off. He'd kept us alive with his 132* in the 1st dig and should've got another score in the 2nd innings to help us win the Test. That would've redeemed him big-time as an overseas Test bat.

As Test cricket fans, we would want our specialists to be more successful .... but on the positive side, he was our 2nd best batsman in Eng .... even if he does not get big score, if he can play out the difficult sessions that would be good as well 

[rkt.india]

17 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Going by that Lahori logic, you must think Kapil would also average 38-40 in this era at a SR of 80 odd .

yes, very much possible. He might have same average as Ishant, Umesh but the problem is Kapil was a lone warrior for us in that era and if he has good company and support like Bumrah, Shami, he might do similar or better even in this era. While Chatfield had Hadlee to company and support but still was so poor.  moreover even if we dont assume how will he do in this era, average of 32 and especially that SR of 84 is nothing to boast about.

Edited October 5, 2018 by rkt.india

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

As Test cricket fans, we would want our specialists to be more successful .... but on the positive side, he was our 2nd best batsman in Eng .... even if he does not get big score, if he can play out the difficult sessions that would be good as well 

That he was. But he needs to build on this. I don't expect him to have series where he scores 400+ runs but if he scores 250-300 in a series @ 35-40 I wanna see him get a match-winning 100. I have similar expectation from Ashwin. He is not gonna run through sides like Murali-Warne but at least he should be taking 15-20 wickets in a 5 match series with one match winning 5-fer/10-fer.

[Jimmy Cliff]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

yes, very much possible. He might have same average as Ishant, Umesh but the problem is Kapil was a lone warrior for us in that era and if he has good company and support like Bumrah, Shami, he might do similar or better even in this era. While Chatfield had Hadlee to company and support but still was so poor.  moreover even if we dont assume how will he do in this era, average of 32 and especially that SR of 84 is nothing to boast about.

Well if you think Kapil averaging close to 40 odd with the ball today is very much possible then what can I say. Chatfield was the support act to Hadlee and did his job more than well enough. A team like India would kill to have a pacer who averaged in the low 30s in the 80s while picking up 100+ wickets at a miserly ER of around 2.2. Nobody claimed his stats were boast worthy in the first place.

[Khota]

They love Miandad and we are not so sure about Pujara. i hate these comparison threads. Individuals don't mean anything it is the overall team.

[Tattieboy]

Come up with all stats you want, Pujara could not lace Miandad's boots as a batsman , never ever full stop !!!

[Nikola]

In Asia during 70s & 80s Miandad was never given LBW no matter how plumb it would get. Umpires used to favour their own team till neutral umpires came. But yeah Miandad was league ahead of Pujara.

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Come up with all stats you want, Pujara could not lace Miandad's boots as a batsman , never ever full stop !!!

careful tatti, the mask keeps leaking when you chomp at the bait like that!

[putrevus]

Miandad as a batsman is on different level than Pujara.Miandad was a fighter to core.

[Tattieboy]

27 minutes ago, sandeep said:

careful tatti, the mask keeps leaking when you chomp at the bait like tha

31 minutes ago, sandeep said:

careful tatti, the mask keeps leaking when you chomp at the bait like that!

What mask would that be ?

 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

careful tatti, the mask keeps leaking when you chomp at the bait like that!

what mask...flimsy skin has been visible all along..haha you can never take pak out of a pakistani.

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, Vilander said:

what mask...flimsy skin has been visible all along..haha you can never take pak out of a pakistani.

tch.  Let him have his delusion Villie bhau.  

[zen]

1 hour ago, Nikola said:

In Asia during 70s & 80s Miandad was never given LBW no matter how plumb it would get. 

Not in Asia but in Pak, which inflated his avg at home too