Question mark over stats of some of the Pak greats

[zen]

Some of the Pak greats such as the two below inflated their stats. Would you take their stats at face value? Please vote in the poll. 

 

• Miandad: Home umpires hesitated to give LBWs 
• Imran: Self proclaimed user of bottle caps to generate reverse 

 

 

PS from one of my posts below 

 

Miandad .... no LBWs at home b/w 1976 to 1984

 

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In the same period, Pak played 36 tests at home 

 

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Pakistan	1976-1984	36	16	1	0	19	16.000	44.51	3.20	60	674	128

 

 

Miandad's avg in that no LBW period 

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	23	43	6	Profile
filtered	1976-1984	33	48	11	2867	280*	77.48	10	11	0

 

 

In the same period, Miandad at away

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	23	43	6	Profile
filtered	1976-1984	32	55	5	2039	160*	40.78	3	15	3

Edited 9 minutes ago by zen

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2018 by zen

[Nikola]

Waqar, Wasim & Shoaib too got many wickets through reverse swing.

[Vilander]

me thinks: Zen bhais pakistani padosi pissed him off yesterday when he was moving the garbage bins out..

[Vilander]

on topic ..definitely home umpire and bottle cap stats were inflated.. but eveyone already knows that..

 

ok bye

[Turning_track]

They were really good, skillful bowlers but you cant deny the use of aforementioned objects for inflating their stats as well.
After the departure of 2 W's Pak hasn't produced any outstanding pacer barring Asif who could blow the opposition in tests. Even Asif couldn't bowl those banana yorkers tailing back in & now with those HD cameras out there I have challenged Pakistanis in various platforms to show me a glimpse of that sort of bowling by any of their pacers in recent times.

[zen]

Miandad .... no LBWs at home b/w 1976 to 1984

 

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Pakistan	1976-1984	36	16	1	0	19	16.000	44.51	3.20	60	674	128

 

 

Miandad's avg in that no LBW period 

 

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unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	23	43	6	Profile
filtered	1976-1984	33	48	11	2867	280*	77.48	10	11	0

 

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	23	43	6	Profile
filtered	1976-1984	32	55	5	2039	160*	40.78	3	15	3

Edited October 5, 2018 by zen

[cric_fan]

They were really good, skillful bowlers but you cant deny the use of aforementioned objects for inflating their stats as well.
After the departure of 2 W's Pak hasn't produced any outstanding pacer barring Asif who could blow the opposition in tests. Even Asif couldn't bowl those banana yorkers tailing back in & now with those HD cameras out there I have challenged Pakistanis in various platforms to show me a glimpse of that sort of bowling by any of their pacers in recent times.

Modern Pak bowlers are not skilled enough to bowl banana yorkers..,infact, no bowler is. Shoaib used to tail it in but not the way Waqar did (banana swing).

The last brilliant yorker bowler in Pak was Umar Gul.


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[Turning_track]

15 minutes ago, zen said:

Miandad .... no LBWs at home b/w 1976 to 1984

In his autobiography, Miandad has moaned that during his career, he has a 20 per cent ratio of LBW decisions against him, which jumped to 60 per cent in India. 

Edited October 5, 2018 by Turning_track

[cric_fan]

I’ve seen discussion on this subject many times on this forum. Me thinks@zen is bitter

[zen]

Talking about LBWs, during the same period, Imran's wkts through LBWs at home 

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
unfiltered	1971-1992	88	142	19458	8258	362	8/58	14/116	22.81	2.54	53.7	23	6	Profile
filtered	1976-1983	22	39	5030	2087	111	8/58	14/116	18.80	2.48	45.3	7	3

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Grouping	Span	Dis	bwd	c fie	c wk	st	lbw	hw	Ave	0s
right-hand batsman	1976-1983	95	28	27	15	0	25	0	21.46	16
left-hand batsman	1978-1983	16	6	5	1	0	4	0	8.50	4

 

 

away 

 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
unfiltered	1971-1992	88	142	19458	8258	362	8/58	14/116	22.81	2.54	53.7	23	6	Profile
filtered	1971-1984	29	49	7521	3229	121	7/52	12/165	26.68	2.57	62.1	9	1

Wickets summary

Grouping	Span	Dis	bwd	c fie	c wk	st	lbw	hw	Ave	0s
right-hand batsman	1974-1982	92	24	36	16	0	16	0	25.31	11
left-hand batsman	1974-1982	29	6	15	5	0	3	0	21.34	5

 

 

• At home 29 LBWs in 39 innings 
• At Away, 16 LBWs in 49 innings 

[cric_fan]

Some of the Pak greats such as the two below inflated their stats. Would you take their stats at face value? Please vote in the poll. 
 

• Miandad: Home umpires hesitated to give LBWs unless plumb
• Imran: Self proclaimed user of bottle caps to generate reverse 

 
 
 
 

Talking about home advantage...your ghar keh sher are on fire vs WI

[zen]

1 minute ago, cric_fan said:

Talking about home advantage...your ghar keh sher are on fire vs WI

 

This topic is about inflating stats by "cheating" .... Do you think Ind is cheating in this series by influencing LBWs for example and tampering the ball? If not, why make such points  

[cric_fan]

This topic is about inflating stats by "cheating" .... Do you think Ind is cheating in this series by influencing LBWs for example and tampering the ball? If not, why make such points  

Well looking at how Asswin performs abroad,..I won’t be surprised if the wickets in Ind were doctored at home..

[zen]

1 minute ago, cric_fan said:

Well looking at how Asswin performs abroad,..I won’t be surprised if the wickets in Ind were doctored at home..

 

Pitches are same for both teams. Ind played on difficult pitches in Eng too .... so again a meaningless point

 

But it is good to see you act as if I stepped on your tail

[cric_fan]

Pitches are same for both teams. Ind played on difficult pitches in Eng too .... so again a meaningless point
 
But it is good to see you act as if I stepped on your tail

And both teams don’t have bowlers like Ashwin.

So who triggered you that you had to open this thread?

Or is it a custom to open threads like this every 6months here

[cric_fan]

Pitches are same for both teams. Ind played on difficult pitches in Eng too .... so again a meaningless point

 

But it is good to see you act as if I stepped on your tail

 

Anyway I enjoy seeing bitter Indians crying over the phenomenal skills of past Pak fast bowlers. Bahot mazzah bhai.

[sandeep]

17 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

 

Well looking at how Asswin performs abroad,..I won’t be surprised if the wickets in Ind were doctored at home..

 

looks like somebody's fixated on their body part that's on fire with some hard truths being pointed out.  

 

On topic of the thread - both Imran and Miandad were clearly good players.  But there is absolutely no doubt that they were the statistical beneficiaries from some horrifically one-eyed game administration.  It has been stated repeatedly that the Pakistani team was allowed by the umpires to take the ball with them to the pavilion during breaks - this is from that infamous series in the 1980s where you saw Imran get banana swing on the ball on an absolute dustbowl of a track.  

 

Anybody who understands cricket, and bowling, can see, unambiguously, that the ball has been massively tampered with.  Even greenbros, if they are being honest.

 

I have personally spoken to the great Mohinder Amarnath.  And he told me that while he was batting at the non-striker end in Pakistan, the umpire gently pointed out to the Pakistani pace bowler that he was over-stepping, and by quite a margin.  DIdn't actually call the no-ball mind you, just told the bowler to reign it in a bit.  Guess what happened next?  The bowler cursed out the umpire in choice punjabi and told him to stick to his job and let him bowl.  And that's exactly what happened.  

 

There is a reason why Imran's great ego was stung enough by taunts about his home umpires that he started talking about neutral umpires later in his career.  Didn't say one word about it in the early part of the 1980s though.  

 

To be fair, I will say that home bias, and notoriously pronounced home bias, wasn't limited to Pakistan in those days - NZ and SL were also infamous for this.  

Edited October 5, 2018 by sandeep

[zen]

15 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

 

And both teams don’t have bowlers like Ashwin.

So who triggered you that you had to open this thread?

Or is it a custom to open threads like this every 6months here

 

I don't know about the customs but I like to expose Pak, which I see as extremely corrupt and blatant (acts as if everyone else is a fool to not understand its play). Do you think this is a subject that should not be discussed?  .... And this thread is NOT Ind vs Pak, but about Pak's greats inflating stats through cheating .... If you think that players from Ind or any other team are doing that please feel free to discuss it on another thread .... and also let's not discuss based on Lahori Logic! 

 

 

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Anyway I enjoy seeing bitter Indians crying over the phenomenal skills of past Pak fast bowlers. Bahot mazzah bhai.

You can enjoy whatever you like. This thread is about Pak cheating though 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2018 by zen

[Turning_track]

12 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

 

Well looking at how Asswin performs abroad,..I won’t be surprised if the wickets in Ind were doctored at home..

 

Would you like if I come on a Pakistani forum & call you & your compatriots as P***s? If you can post here in English, I'm sure you can write the names of Indian players correctly as well.

[sandeep]

4 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Would you like if I come on a Pakistani forum & call you & your compatriots as P***s? If you can post here in English, I'm sure you can write the names of Indian players correctly as well.

Dude, calm yo tits.  That comment says more about him than about Ash.  And ICF is on the lighter side of moderation.  Afer all, Indian fans call their own players worse names around here.