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Bashing a hapless bunch of club level cricketers in 3 days. :facepalm: This WI series has to be worst advertisement for cricket. Wonder how many who said Asia cup is meaningless and Kohli must rest for the test series, is actually enjoying it? I heard only 10% tickets got sold

 

When will BCCI realize that its not the same WI team anymore but yet calling these pathetic losers for series almost every 2 year. Pretty sure, in Asia conditions even SL, BD or even Afg team would give more fight.

 

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The wannabe Test Purists would say Tests is the best format even though they would barely watch 1 session of it on tv. Fact is Tests are mostly one sided and you require so many caveats to make a test interesting. Evenly matched teams, pitch that behaves  same, genuine fast bowlers, aggressive batsman, unorthodox spinners, good crowd to make a test match interesting. You don't much of that in LOI

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16 minutes ago, speedheat said:

Odi is the best format out of 3 actually!! And this year Asia cup was thoroughly entertaining.

It was entertaining because of our middle order and with no Kohli missing. If we had a clmeptent middle order and Kohli, all the games would have been a thrashing.

 

 

And if odi format is the best, any reason why they have been trying to change Odis for the last decade? Any reason why less ODIs are being scheduled?

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28 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

It was entertaining because of our middle order and with no Kohli missing. If we had a clmeptent middle order and Kohli, all the games would have been a thrashing.

 

 

And if odi format is the best, any reason why they have been trying to change Odis for the last decade? Any reason why less ODIs are being scheduled?

Tbh most of  our games except the final and afghanistan game was thrashing of the highest order even without kohli , m speaking about tournament in general was entertaining, afg vs pak,afg vs Ind, afg vs ban, ban vs pak etc.

What i see is they  tried to change rules coz  they wanted to tilt it in favour of batsma even more,  that actually backfired with massive criticism after 2015 wc  icc were forced to modify it again still some pathetic rules like free hit exists though. Still odi Cricket trumps test cricket coz you get the result within a day and  are more entertaining if its played on sporting wickets with two evenly matched teams.

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All 3 formats are good for different reasons.

 

For me,

 

great test >> great odi >> great t20i

 

poor test < poor odi < poor t20i

 

As a spectator, you need more investment for tests, but the payoff of a very good test match is awesome, much more than ODIs or T20Is. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, speedheat said:

Odi is the best format out of 3 actually!! And this year Asia cup was thoroughly entertaining.

Well we made the game interesting. Against afghan with the kind of start we got tie should have never been the result. Same with BD , between Dk and Dhoni they played out 9 overs worth of dot balls. 

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2 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

Bashing a hapless bunch of club level cricketers in 3 days. :facepalm: This WI series has to be worst advertisement for cricket. Wonder how many who said Asia cup is meaningless and Kohli must rest for the test series, is actually enjoying it? I heard only 10% tickets got sold emoji23.png

 

When will BCCI realize that its not the same WI team anymore but yet calling these pathetic losers for series almost every 2 year. Pretty sure, in Asia conditions even SL, BD or even Afg team would give more fight.

 

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Series against WI and SL are nothing more than stats improvement exercises. Even BD is better than these two sadly declined teams. 

 

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1 hour ago, philcric said:

All 3 formats are good for different reasons.

 

For me,

 

great test >> great odi >> great t20i

 

poor test < poor odi < poor t20i

 

As a spectator, you need more investment for tests, but the payoff of a very good test match is awesome, much more than ODIs or T20Is. 

 

 

 

 

True but as some posters say above, producing a great test means a lot of factors should collude together. Like "evenly matched teams, pitch that behaves  same, genuine fast bowlers, aggressive batsman, unorthodox spinners, good crowd" etc. 


Good ODIs are more likely to happen between many sides. There are very few teams now making good test teams and producing gr8 test matches. 

 

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1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Well we made the game interesting. Against afghan with the kind of start we got tie should have never been the result. Same with BD , between Dk and Dhoni they played out 9 overs worth of dot balls. 

Are you sure?? Its we or format of the game is such that it made life difficult for these mediocre batsman so much so that it eventually turned in to a thriller!!

Play same teams on same venue  but in different format, a testmatch and see a one sided game.

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Don't hype much. They saw your team in 70s 80s same like you are seeing now. They had the same feeling those days when giant windies saw little India as dwarfs. They are still giants in t20s. :cantstop:

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1 hour ago, UnknownGenius said:

Asia Cup was definitely entertaining especially to see egg on all the posters faces here who said Pakistani would beat India 3-0 with that middle order. The winning mentalilty players just keep winning despite the haters

 

Yeah Rohit, Dhawan, Bumrah and Kuldeep were awesome. They knew how to win.

 

Middle order still dodgy though. Rayudu was okay, Karthik didn't have much to do, and Dhoni was really poor.

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2 hours ago, Lala said:

Don't hype much. They saw your team in 70s 80s same like you are seeing now. They had the same feeling those days when giant windies saw little India as dwarfs. They are still giants in t20s. :cantstop:

Where are players like Gavaskar and Kapil in this Windies?

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40 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Where are players like Gavaskar and Kapil in this Windies?

LOL your mediocre gavaskar or average Kapil are nowhere close to compare with great players like sir Viv Richard's, sobbers, loyyd, marshal, grinich, Haynes, etc :cantstop:

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7 hours ago, Lala said:

LOL your mediocre gavaskar or average Kapil are nowhere close to compare with great players like sir Viv Richard's, sobbers, loyyd, marshal, grinich, Haynes, etc :cantstop:

A word from your ex player now PM

 

New Delhi: Not undermining Sachin Tendulkar's rich contribution to the game of cricket, Pakistani cricketing legend-turned politician Imran Khanyesterday said he always rates Sunil Gavaskarabove any batsman in the world.

http://post.jagran.com/search/imran-khan-on-sunil-gavaskar

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Bashing a hapless bunch of club level cricketers in 3 days. facepalm.gif This WI series has to be worst advertisement for cricket. Wonder how many who said Asia cup is meaningless and Kohli must rest for the test series, is actually enjoying it? I heard only 10% tickets got sold
 
When will BCCI realize that its not the same WI team anymore but yet calling these pathetic losers for series almost every 2 year. Pretty sure, in Asia conditions even SL, BD or even Afg team would give more fight.
 
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Knowing BCCI, they would think twice now in calling minnows for tests to India. Revenue is paramount for them

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35 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

A word from your ex player now PM

 

New Delhi: Not undermining Sachin Tendulkar's rich contribution to the game of cricket, Pakistani cricketing legend-turned politician Imran Khanyesterday said he always rates Sunil Gavaskarabove any batsman in the world.

http://post.jagran.com/search/imran-khan-on-sunil-gavaskar

Those are politicts word my dear. Don't take it seriously. Everybody knows WI ex players (ledgendary players) are far more superior than gavaskar and dev. :cantstop:

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13 hours ago, speedheat said:

Are you sure?? Its we or format of the game is such that it made life difficult for these mediocre batsman so much so that it eventually turned in to a thriller!!

Play same teams on same venue  but in different format, a testmatch and see a one sided game.

You mean same set of India XI vs Afghan or BD XI in a different format or a proper indian test side ?

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Asia Cup was still meaningless. I barely watched it. What exactly did we learn about this Indian team? Sure we thrashed Pakistan like they were hapless minnows and that's always fun but in the greater scheme of things those wins were hollow. The snail paced middle order batting ruined everything. 

 

Windies may not be the most competitive test team away but im not sure why it's any less meaningful than Asia Cup. If all of Mayank ,Shaw and siraj have been tried out by the end of the series, that would be more useful than that useless tournament. 

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Asia Cup was still meaningless. I barely watched it. What exactly did we learn about this Indian team? Sure we thrashed Pakistan like they were hapless minnows and that's always fun but in the greater scheme of things those wins were hollow. The snail paced middle order batting ruined everything. 

 

Windies may not be the most competitive test team away but im not sure why it's any less meaningful than Asia Cup. If all of Mayank ,Shaw and siraj have been tried out by the end of the series, that would be more useful than that useless tournament. 

Just watch media , how they covered Asia cup and how they covered this series.You will realise what is meaningless?

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Any tournament / series is defined by the competitive level in it 

 

Ind vs SA T20s could be more interesting than Asia Cup

 

Asia Cup was made interesting by AFG and BD, along with the fact that Ind went in with non existent middle order .... WI series will be interesting because of youngsters from both sides 

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Good that people are not watching these pakau games... its such a waste of time and money to go there and watch amateurs like these play poor cricket in 40C temperature... LOIs is the only viable option in India, no matter what ppl say... should focus on improving it further...

 

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On Saturday, October 06, 2018 at 9:32 PM, Lala said:

Don't hype much. They saw your team in 70s 80s same like you are seeing now. They had the same feeling those days when giant windies saw little India as dwarfs.  :cantstop:

 

You don't have any idea about cricket history.   :cantstop:

 

India won 2 test series against the West Indies in the 1970s ...  which includes a series win IN the West Indies.

 

We also won the World Cup in 1983 away from home ... defeating the mighty West Indies twice in that tournament including the final.

 

India won the 50 over all nations Benson and Hedges Cup in 1985 IN Australia, defeating Pakistan in the final.  The mighty West Indies could not win it.

 

India also won 2 test series IN England between 1971 and 1986.

 

Our win-loss ratio in tests was impressive in the 1970s ... and we once won two test matches in a test series IN Australia.

 

The spin quartet of Chandra, Bedi, Prasanna and Venkat were highly revered because they were instrumental in winning quite a few test matches outside Asia.  Gavaskar, Amarnath and Vishwanath formed a formidable batting line-up as they all had good averages both outside Asia and in Asia. And Kapil was one of the best fast medium swing bowlers of that era along with being a destructive batsman.

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Why compare anything and everything ? 

 

Both were opportunities to unearth new talent. We should have had upcoming batsmen instead of deadweights in middle order in Asia cup, at least Kedar grew into the part time bowler role and got a glimpse of Khaleel. 

 

Good to see Shaw & Pant use the opportunity here & Kuldeep continue developing into an all format bowler.

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On 10/6/2018 at 4:52 PM, speedheat said:

Odi is the best format out of 3 actually!! And this year Asia cup was thoroughly entertaining.

I find ODIs most boring .

Test match between two good teams  is great.

Or else...it should be t 20.

Odis are atleast 20 overs too long.

 

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1 hour ago, beetle said:

I find ODIs most boring .

Test match between two good teams  is great.

Or else...it should be t 20.

Odis are atleast 20 overs too long.

 

Your choice,  Yeah Odis gets bit boring in the middle overs, 20 overs in the middle when spinners take control but any time is better than 5 days of cricket.

Odis between two good sides will always trump a test match coz it produces result within a day and we don't have to wait for 5 long days with lunch tea break in the middle

T20is are good when you bring bowlers in the picture otherwise its just boring 20 overs of batting shootout.

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4 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Just because something gets more viewership of sells more or is more popular does not make it more meaningful imo. 

More viewership means more people investing time and emotions.so what is more important , caring about emotions of handful of test cricket fanatics or caring about emotions of large fan base

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2 hours ago, beetle said:

I find ODIs most boring .

Test match between two good teams  is great.

Or else...it should be t 20.

Odis are atleast 20 overs too long.

 

 

Unless a bowler has a few overs on the trot to set up a batsman ...  and the batsman has to fight against such an attempt ... quality cricketers don't come to the fore. We get only the sloggers and the variation bowlers whose only skill is to thwart such slogging attempts.

 

20 or 30 over matches or ultra flat pitches don't allow bowlers to set up batsmen and up the quality of cricket.

 

The quality of ODI cricket has been hampered in the last 5 to 7 years by making the pitches too flat and loading everything in favour of the batsman.

 

If we get a fight between bat and ball and quality batters and bowlers ...  ODIs can be enthralling.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

More viewership means more people investing time and emotions.so what is more important , caring about emotions of handful of test cricket fanatics or caring about emotions of large fan base

 

All 3 format can survive side by side.  Loaded international calendars and specific needs of formats mean a larger pool of players getting chances and hence ...  more people believing that they can play for their country.

 

LOI specialists have rarely become superstars.  90% of the stars, who the public want to watch play, are  top test players too.

 

This is because unless a player develops his game playing FC cricket and test cricket ...  he does not have the basics to sustain a long and high quality career.

 

The Paul Valthatys and Yusuf Pathans and Tymal Mills have not survived.

 

Test cricket and FC cricket are the factories producing quality cricketers while T20 cricket are the glamourous showrooms. 

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10 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Pointless series. There is no buildup or context to the series and the opposition is very poor. The fans could use some break from Cricket before Australian tour. 

 

These kinds of series should be used for grooming young talent.   

 

We have done that with Shaw, Pant and Kuldeep.  

 

Should have tried Siraj, Saini and Mayank too.

 

The series would have full meaning then.

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12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Unless a bowler has a few overs on the trot to set up a batsman ...  and the batsman has to fight against such an attempt ... quality cricketers don't come to the fore. We get only the sloggers and the variation bowlers whose only skill is to thwart such slogging attempts.

 

20 or 30 over matches or ultra flat pitches don't allow bowlers to set up batsmen and up the quality of cricket.

 

The quality of ODI cricket has been hampered in the last 5 to 7 years by making the pitches too flat and loading everything in favour of the batsman.

 

If we get a fight between bat and ball and quality batters and bowlers ...  ODIs can be enthralling.

 

 

But world  over,these short term plans have fetched the boards some amount of money,in shape of so many t20 leagues

15-20 years ago we used to witness intriguing contest between bat and ball ,it did attract people and captured their interest,but one of the reason is we had quite a number of triangular and quadrangular series back in those days

The 15 over field restriction was a balanced thought,

Continuing with the same ball gave the bowlers opportunity to reverse it in the last 15

They have almost killed the goose which was giving them golden eggs ,these short termed plans to optimize their profits has hindered the expansion of the game 

The money generated is not reaching the smaller nations and they have fallen back drastically,or don't have financial backing to improve their facilities or nurture the upcoming generation

For eg back in those days we had a strong Zimbabwean team,a Pakistan team,Kenya too punched above their weights

Srilanka were world beaters then,Aussies were invincible,Windies were still mighty

Frequent multi nation tournaments with those rules made the odis worth paying attention and exciting

Where are kenya,Canada (John Davison's brave onslaught), Zimbabwe etc?

The 2019 wc format is clearly demoting any chance of revival of cricket in these countries..

Sad days for a true cricket fan

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