zen Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Ind's batting: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 20 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2016-2018 24 41 4 2732 243 73.83 4195 65.12 11 7 3 281 8 CA Pujara 2016-2018 25 42 2 2040 202 51.00 4491 45.42 7 9 3 235 4 KL Rahul 2016-2018 21 34 1 1249 199 37.84 2082 59.99 2 10 5 154 6 AM Rahane 2016-2018 22 37 2 982 132 28.05 2122 46.27 1 5 3 105 4 R Ashwin 2016-2018 24 35 2 786 72 23.81 1398 56.22 0 5 1 98 3 Basically, a Kohli-Pujara dependent batting line up! Edited October 7, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 Team performance: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches won (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2016-2018 26 15 7 0 4 2.142 38.06 3.50 44 759 105 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Bowling performance: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 15 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 10 of 10 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 RA Jadeja 2016-2018 18 36 908.2 206 2267 97 7/48 10/154 23.37 2.49 56.1 4 1 I Sharma 2016-2018 15 29 442.3 93 1219 47 5/51 6/97 25.93 2.75 56.4 1 0 Mohammed Shami 2016-2018 17 33 509.0 99 1609 62 5/28 6/74 25.95 3.16 49.2 1 0 R Ashwin 2016-2018 24 46 1126.0 219 3134 113 6/41 12/167 27.73 2.78 59.7 5 1 UT Yadav 2016-2018 18 36 468.0 77 1527 47 4/32 6/71 32.48 3.26 59.7 0 0 Among those, who have played at least 15 games, Shami has the best SR Jadeja and Ishant have similar SR Ashwin and Umesh also have similar SR Edited October 7, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, zen said: Ind's batting: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 20 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2016-2018 24 41 4 2732 243 73.83 4195 65.12 11 7 3 281 8 CA Pujara 2016-2018 25 42 2 2040 202 51.00 4491 45.42 7 9 3 235 4 KL Rahul 2016-2018 21 34 1 1249 199 37.84 2082 59.99 2 10 5 154 6 AM Rahane 2016-2018 22 37 2 982 132 28.05 2122 46.27 1 5 3 105 4 R Ashwin 2016-2018 24 35 2 786 72 23.81 1398 56.22 0 5 1 98 3 Quote Basically, a Kohli-Pujara dependent batting line up! Only in tests in Asia. Outside Asia it has been only Kohli. View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 8 16 0 879 153 54.93 1500 58.60 3 4 1 102 1 CA Pujara 7 14 1 378 132* 29.07 1068 35.39 1 2 2 48 0 AM Rahane 6 12 0 314 81 26.16 734 42.77 0 2 1 34 0 KL Rahul 7 14 0 329 149 23.50 551 59.70 1 0 2 48 1 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 6 12 2 216 38 21.60 321 67.28 0 0 0 33 1 S Dhawan 5 10 0 194 44 19.40 325 59.69 0 0 0 28 0 M Vijay 5 10 0 128 46 12.80 434 29.49 0 0 2 15 0 Edited October 7, 2018 by express bowling Lannister and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Considering all bowlers Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 B Kumar 2016-2018 6 12 170.3 50 494 22 4/8 8/96 22.45 2.89 46.5 0 0 RA Jadeja 2016-2018 18 36 908.2 206 2267 97 7/48 10/154 23.37 2.49 56.1 4 1 JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 6 12 245.3 47 716 28 5/54 7/111 25.57 2.91 52.6 2 0 I Sharma 2016-2018 15 29 442.3 93 1219 47 5/51 6/97 25.93 2.75 56.4 1 0 Mohammed Shami 2016-2018 17 33 509.0 99 1609 62 5/28 6/74 25.95 3.16 49.2 1 0 R Ashwin 2016-2018 24 46 1126.0 219 3134 113 6/41 12/167 27.73 2.78 59.7 5 1 HH Pandya 2017-2018 11 19 156.1 19 528 17 5/28 6/50 31.05 3.38 55.1 1 0 UT Yadav 2016-2018 18 36 468.0 77 1527 47 4/32 6/71 32.48 3.26 59.7 0 0 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, express bowling said: Only in tests in Asia. Outside Asia it has been only Kohli. View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 8 16 0 879 153 54.93 1500 58.60 3 4 1 102 1 CA Pujara 7 14 1 378 132* 29.07 1068 35.39 1 2 2 48 0 AM Rahane 6 12 0 314 81 26.16 734 42.77 0 2 1 34 0 KL Rahul 7 14 0 329 149 23.50 551 59.70 1 0 2 48 1 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 6 12 2 216 38 21.60 321 67.28 0 0 0 33 1 S Dhawan 5 10 0 194 44 19.40 325 59.69 0 0 0 28 0 M Vijay 5 10 0 128 46 12.80 434 29.49 0 0 2 15 0 Kohli is an exception! To be / remain number 1, we have to do well in our strong hold UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, zen said: Kohli is an exception! To be / remain number 1, we have to do well in our strong hold Most people who follow cricket regularly are not that bothered by rankings. I would gladly take a number 2 ranking if our team wins some test series in SENA. Winning test series in India have not been a problem in the last 30 years. We have usually had the batters and bowlers necessary to achieve this objective. Pujara has been a disappointment outside Asia ... which has rarely happened with other Indian batsmen averaging 45+ in tests. We need atleast 3 batters who can bat both in Asia and outside Asia. Edited October 7, 2018 by express bowling UrmiSinhaRay, DHONI_FANN and Lannister 2 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, express bowling said: Most people who follow cricket regularly are not that bothered by rankings. I would gladly take a number 2 ranking if our team wins some test series in SENA. Winning test series in India have not been a problem in the last 30 years. We have usually had the batters and bowlers necessary to achieve this objective. Pujara has been a disappointment outside Asia ... which has rarely happened with other Indian batsmen averaging 45+ in tests. We need atleast 3 batters who can bat both in Asia and outside Asia. You are discussing your wish list. Kohli right now is like Richard Hadlee in NZ team. No one is going to perform like Richard Hadlee and we cannot run down other players because they are not like Richard Hadlee As for Pujara, atm he is the best we have from the rest. Your posts list him at top in SENA and WI too once you take Kohli out Unless we have options, feeling bad about not winning in SENA, batsmen who can do well everywhere, bowlers who can do well everywhere could make us lose focus on the present .... Yes, once we get those kind of players we can definitely develop them Also unlike bowlers, many of whom can be played in helpful conditions, our batsmen usually play everywhere Edited October 8, 2018 by zen Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, zen said: You are discussing your wish list. Kohli right now is like Richard Hadlee in NZ team. No one is going to perform like Richard Hadlee and we cannot run down other players because they are not like a Richard Hadlee As for Pujara, atm he is the best we have from the rest. Your posts list him at top in SENA and WI once you take Kohli out Unless we don’t have options, winning in SENA, batsmen who can do well everywhere, bowlers who can do well everywhere is pointless .... Yes, once we get those kind of players we can definitely develop them Pujara has been a disappointment. Can't perform outside his comfort zone with any acceptable consistency. Other batters, barring Kohli, being bigger disappointments, does not mask this fact. Options don't come automatically. New players have to be tried after realizing that the current bunch of batters is our worst test line-up in the last 45 years or even 50 years. And we now have a bowling group who are doing well everywhere. With our rich batting history ... why should we be happy with one good test batsman ? The Hadlee example is not appropriate ... India have always been a batting powerhouse while NZ have had good bowlers only occasionally. Edited October 7, 2018 by express bowling UrmiSinhaRay and Lannister 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, express bowling said: Pujara has been a disappointment. Can't perform outside his comfort zone with any acceptable consistency. Other batters, barring Kohli, being bigger disappointments, does not mask this fact. Options don't come automatically. New players have to be tried after realizing that the current bunch of batters is our worst test line-up in the last 45 years or even 50 years. And we now have a bowling group who are doing well everywhere. With our rich batting history ... why should we be happy with one good test batsman ? The Hadlee example is not appropriate ... India have always been a batting powerhouse while NZ have had good bowlers only occasionally. I understand the pain. The point is this, unfortunately, is what we have at the moment. And Pujara is the best among the rest so have to play him as we cannot drop everyone except Kohli in the absence of viable options .... we need to build batting around a couple of batsmen Much like Ind is no WI or Aus of the past but still #1 ranked because others are worse. Fans of other teams would want a better #1 but are stuck with Ind .... Also WI was a bowling powerhouse once, now is a faint shadow of its former self. It has to do what is appropriate in the current scenario Whether we like it or not Kohli is to our batting lwhat Hadlee was to NZ’s bowling, a strong point for NZ that would do well on green pitches / swinging conditions (like what our batting would do in Asia). IIRC, In the late 70s to mid to late 80s, NZ managed to be among the top 2-3 test sides (WI was undisputed #1) Once we get decent batsmen, we can start replacing the batting. In fact the process has been started with the openers. Rahane could probably be next to go, along with Rahul (if he lacks consistency) and then Pujara (a proven force in certain conditions and with highest avg, which is ahead of others by a decent margin, barring Kohli) if he is not performing and we have better options Edited October 7, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Batting averages of Indian batsmen outside Asia. ( Min. 10 tests ) Above 50 -- 3 batsmen Above 45 -- 6 batsmen Above 40 -- 8 batsmen Above 35 -- 15 batsmen. Above 30 -- 28 batsmen. Current batsmen -- Kohli 49 Rahane 45 Rahul 33 4 current batsmen under 30 Pujara 29 Vijay 29 Dhawan 27 Rohit 24 No wonder we are doing so badly outside Asia these days. Bhuvi 28 has potential as a pacer allrounder. Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0 R Dravid 1996-2012 68 124 16 5895 233 54.58 14 31 2 SM Gavaskar 1971-1986 46 81 6 3868 221 51.57 15 15 5 SR Tendulkar 1990-2012 77 135 11 6247 241* 50.37 18 30 10 V Kohli 2011-2018 32 59 1 2818 200 48.58 11 8 5 M Amarnath 1976-1986 24 41 1 1936 138 48.40 4 12 3 AM Rahane 2013-2018 23 41 5 1626 147 45.16 4 9 3 VVS Laxman 1997-2012 61 108 11 4105 178 42.31 8 25 7 SC Ganguly 1996-2008 46 78 6 2925 144 40.62 6 15 5 DN Sardesai 1962-1971 14 25 1 944 212 39.33 3 3 2 G Gambhir 2005-2014 16 31 2 1139 167 39.27 2 6 2 PR Umrigar 1952-1962 18 35 2 1278 172* 38.72 4 7 2 GR Viswanath 1971-1982 34 61 3 2195 114 37.84 3 18 4 MAK Pataudi 1962-1968 13 25 0 943 148 37.72 1 7 2 VS Hazare 1946-1953 17 32 2 1079 145 35.96 2 5 2 V Sehwag 2001-2012 35 64 1 2247 195 35.66 5 7 8 M Azharuddin 1985-1999 40 60 3 1924 192 33.75 6 6 1 RF Surti 1962-1968 15 30 1 967 99 33.34 0 7 3 MH Mankad 1946-1953 16 30 2 930 184 33.21 3 4 4 KL Rahul 2014-2018 12 21 0 695 158 33.09 3 1 2 RJ Shastri 1981-1992 31 49 6 1418 206 32.97 5 1 4 FM Engineer 1962-1974 20 39 2 1209 89 32.67 0 8 4 DB Vengsarkar 1976-1992 48 82 6 2463 157 32.40 4 13 8 CPS Chauhan 1977-1981 14 25 0 796 97 31.84 0 6 3 DG Phadkar 1947-1953 12 21 2 599 123 31.52 1 5 2 ED Solkar 1971-1976 12 19 3 503 67 31.43 0 5 0 M Prabhakar 1990-1993 16 26 3 717 95 31.17 0 6 2 AL Wadekar 1967-1974 22 41 1 1219 143 30.47 1 8 3 R Ashwin 2011-2018 19 34 6 851 118 30.39 2 2 1 MS Dhoni 2006-2014 39 72 5 1996 92 29.79 0 15 7 SV Manjrekar 1989-1996 23 38 3 1042 108 29.77 2 3 2 W Jaffer 2002-2008 18 34 0 1006 212 29.58 2 7 4 K Srikkanth 1985-1992 10 18 0 531 116 29.50 1 2 2 CA Pujara 2010-2018 24 43 1 1234 153 29.38 2 5 3 M Vijay 2010-2018 24 45 0 1315 146 29.22 2 7 5 KS More 1986-1993 21 31 4 771 73 28.55 0 6 1 B Kumar 2014-2018 10 17 3 398 63* 28.42 0 3 3 S Dhawan 2013-2018 18 34 0 912 115 26.82 1 3 2 NS Sidhu 1989-1999 19 32 1 826 201 26.64 2 2 7 BP Patel 1974-1977 10 17 3 372 115* 26.57 1 1 0 N Kapil Dev 1979-1994 45 68 4 1700 129 26.56 3 8 9 VL Manjrekar 1952-1962 15 29 1 717 133 25.60 2 2 5 SMH Kirmani 1976-1986 29 43 6 918 78 24.81 0 4 0 P Roy 1952-1959 13 25 0 616 150 24.64 1 2 8 CG Borde 1959-1968 20 38 3 852 93 24.34 0 6 7 AD Gaekwad 1976-1983 11 20 2 438 81* 24.33 0 3 1 RG Sharma 2013-2018 12 22 1 502 72 23.90 0 2 3 Yashpal Sharma 1979-1983 15 26 4 525 63 23.86 0 2 1 S Abid Ali 1967-1974 19 34 3 693 81 22.35 0 4 1 AV Mankad 1971-1978 10 19 1 398 53* 22.11 0 1 1 RG Nadkarni 1959-1968 16 29 3 571 78* 21.96 0 3 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=9;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=matches;team=6;template=results;type=batting Edited October 7, 2018 by express bowling Lannister 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Batting averages of Indian batsmen outside Asia. ( Min. 10 tests ) Above 50 -- 3 batsmen Above 45 -- 6 batsmen Above 40 -- 8 batsmen Above 35 -- 15 batsmen. Above 30 -- 28 batsmen. Current batsmen -- Kohli 49 Rahane 45 Rahul 33 4 current batsmen under 30 Pujara 29 Vijay 29 Dhawan 27 Rohit 24 No wonder we are doing so badly outside Asia these days. Bhuvi 28 has potential as a pacer allrounder. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=9;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=matches;team=6;template=results;type=batting That is a telling stats about our batting and unrealistic expectations we keep: Historically, we have not won much outside Asia Since 1932, only 3 batsmen averaged above 50 outside Asia In the current line up, even Kohli is averaging less than 50 outside Asia Our current batting is in disarray w/ only Pujara and Kohli averaging above 50 in the discussed period 2016-18 Dhawan, Vijay and Rohit are not in consideration anymore. Rahane avgs on 28 in the discussed period and his overall avg could fall below 40. While Rahul is inconsistent and yet to establish himself View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies or Zimbabwe Home or away away (home of opposition) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches won (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 1932-2018 204 30 98 0 76 0.306 29.76 2.83 377 705 42 In a scenario such as these expecting to get batsmen who avg 45+ outside Asia is an idealistic scenario. More like playing a fiddle when Rome is burning Next step is basically to build a batting line up around Kohli-Pujara. Once others establish themselves, then we phase out Pujara too if required Edited October 7, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 In the last 10 years, no Asia batsmen has averaged 50 or more outside Asia View overall figures [change view] Host country Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Start of match date greater than or equal to 7 Oct 2008 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 4 Showing 1 - 50 of 186 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AC Voges (AUS) 2015-2016 17 25 7 1367 269* 75.94 2342 58.36 5 4 2 176 5 SPD Smith (AUS) 2010-2018 51 91 15 4999 239 65.77 8630 57.92 19 19 3 566 32 AB de Villiers (SA) 2008-2018 57 93 11 4775 169 58.23 8517 56.06 14 27 7 541 46 AK Markram (SA) 2017-2018 10 18 0 1000 152 55.55 1549 64.55 4 3 1 135 5 CH Gayle (WI) 2008-2014 23 39 5 1859 197 54.67 2850 65.22 7 8 1 223 46 JH Kallis (SA) 2008-2013 37 61 6 2990 224 54.36 5626 53.14 12 9 5 349 25 MJ Clarke (AUS) 2008-2015 66 118 15 5588 329* 54.25 9824 56.88 18 16 6 646 16 S Chanderpaul (WI) 2008-2015 41 69 14 2943 166 53.50 7146 41.18 8 15 4 283 10 DA Warner (AUS) 2011-2018 59 107 5 5322 253 52.17 6959 76.47 18 24 4 649 47 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 63 113 10 5310 254 51.55 9485 55.98 13 32 5 625 15 SM Katich (AUS) 2008-2010 24 44 2 2150 131* 51.19 4260 50.46 5 15 2 248 6 KS Williamson (NZ) 2011-2018 48 86 9 3814 242* 49.53 7550 50.51 13 18 5 439 10 SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 2009-2012 14 27 2 1230 160 49.20 2311 53.22 3 6 0 174 7 HM Amla (SA) 2008-2018 74 127 7 5897 311* 49.14 11002 53.59 17 28 5 756 11 V Kohli (INDIA) 2011-2018 32 59 1 2818 200 48.58 4915 57.33 11 8 5 327 6 UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, zen said: That is a telling stats about our batting and unrealistic expectatioowe keep: Lots of our batsmen have performed in the very good to decent range in tests outside Asia from 1970 to 2010. We could not win test series outside Asia on a more consistent basis because we lacked a group of good quality pace bowlers. We have that now. Our pacers and bowling group as a whole are regularly taking 20 wickets in tests outside Asia ... so, our expectations, to increase our win percentage outside Asia, is a valid one. Our batting group are letting us down and that aspect is pretty much obvious to people who actually watch the game. Quote Historically, we have not won much outside Asia Since 1932, only 3 batsmen averaged above 50 outside Asia India became independent in 1947 ... and was a poor country after that for a long time. There was very little investment in sports infrastructure. Indian cricket became a decent force only in 1967. And we performed appreciably out of Asia from 1971 to 1986. Indian economy opened up in 1991 and it took some years after that for us to be a top country in terms of GDP ... and having sufficient funds to invest in cricket infrastructure. Between 2001 to 2011 beginning , we performed appreciably in test matches outside Asia. Quote In the current line up, even Kohli is averaging less than 50 outside Asia Averaging 50 in unfamiliar conditions is a tall order and very few people do it. Kohli averages 49. But there are quite a few Indian batters who have average 40+ in the last 50 years ... which is good in unfamiliar conditions. Most of the current bunch averaging under 30 outside Asia ... is a new low for us in terms of batting. In the last 45 years, we always had 3 or 4 batters averaging 35+ outside Asia at any point in time, which included 2 to 3 40+ batters. Quote Dhawan and Rohit are not in consideration anymore. Only for the time being. I expect them to make a comeback soon. Don't underestimate the backing given to IPL stars. Quote View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies or Zimbabwe Home or away away (home of opposition) Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by matches won (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 1 of 1 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 1932-2018 204 30 98 0 76 0.306 29.76 2.83 377 705 42 In a scenario such as these expecting to get batsmen who avg 45+ outside Asia is an idealistic scenario. More like playing a fiddle when Rome is burning Next step is basically to build a batting line up around Kohli-Pujara. Once others establish themselves, then we phase out Pujara too if required With India becoming a financial power ( GDP ranged between 3rd to 7th highest in the world in the last 5 years ) ... and developing high quality infrastructure for cricket in the 2010s decade ... it is but natural for fans to expect much improved team performance compared to the past. But we have gone down in terms of performing in big tournaments and in big away series from late 2011. 1971 to 1986 and 2001 to mid 2011 ... were our golden periods in terms of the above. Edited October 8, 2018 by express bowling Lannister 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 OP's fixation on Pujara to make him look like he's some kind of second coming of Bradman is nothing short of an embarrassment. The guy is a complete failure in overseas test tours and there's not much of a difference between him and Dhawan. Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 This is Pujara's series averages in SENA. Didn't know he debuted way back in 2010 itself and that would make this even more pathetic. @OP do you still think Rahul is highly inconsistent. UrmiSinhaRay and express bowling 2 Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lannister said: This is Pujara's series averages in SENA. Didn't know he debuted way back in 2010 itself and that would make this even more pathetic. @OP do you still think Rahul is highly inconsistent. Please look at test avg of both players. 49-50 vs 37-38. That is a difference of 11-12 runs! Rahul currently is inconsistent. And you can look at everyone’s performance in Eng, along with overseas avg in the last two years posted on this thread. The issue is not whether Pujara is good or bad, but others are not even performing at Pujara’s level PS here you go Posted by me View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 20 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2016-2018 24 41 4 2732 243 73.83 4195 65.12 11 7 3 281 8 CA Pujara 2016-2018 25 42 2 2040 202 51.00 4491 45.42 7 9 3 235 4 KL Rahul 2016-2018 21 34 1 1249 199 37.84 2082 59.99 2 10 5 154 6 AM Rahane 2016-2018 22 37 2 982 132 28.05 2122 46.27 1 5 3 105 4 R Ashwin 2016-2018 24 35 2 786 72 23.81 1398 56.22 0 5 1 98 3 Posted by EB View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 8 16 0 879 153 54.93 1500 58.60 3 4 1 102 1 CA Pujara 7 14 1 378 132* 29.07 1068 35.39 1 2 2 48 0 AM Rahane 6 12 0 314 81 26.16 734 42.77 0 2 1 34 0 KL Rahul 7 14 0 329 149 23.50 551 59.70 1 0 2 48 1 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 6 12 2 216 38 21.60 321 67.28 0 0 0 33 1 S Dhawan 5 10 0 194 44 19.40 325 59.69 0 0 0 28 0 M Vijay 5 10 0 128 46 12.80 434 29.49 0 0 2 15 0 Edited October 8, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 hours ago, express bowling said: With India becoming a financial power ( GDP ranged between 3rd to 7th highest in the world in the last 5 years ) ... and developing high quality infrastructure for cricket in the 2010s decade ... it is but natural for fans to expect much improved team performance compared to the past. But we have gone down in terms of performing in big tournaments and in big away series from late 2011. The point about "wish list" and "reality" has already been made. You can expect whatever you want but "Unless we have options, feeling bad about not winning in SENA, batsmen who can do well everywhere, bowlers who can do well everywhere could make us lose focus on the present .... Yes, once we get those kind of players we can definitely develop them" Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 45 minutes ago, zen said: The point about "wish list" and "reality" has already been made. You can expect whatever you want but "Unless we have options, feeling bad about not winning in SENA, batsmen who can do well everywhere, bowlers who can do well everywhere could make us lose focus on the present .... Yes, once we get those kind of players we can definitely develop them" We do have a bowling group who are doing well everywhere. A huge percentage of what we discuss on forums are wishes only. Otherwise, scorecards and stats sites are good enough to check the present and past. And we do have a lot of batting talent who may do well both home and away if and when they get chances. Shaw is a good example and a good start. Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, express bowling said: We do have a bowling group who are doing well everywhere. A huge percentage of what we discuss on forums are wishes only. Otherwise, scorecards and stats sites are good enough to check the present and past. And we do have a lot of batting talent who may do well both home and away if and when they get chances. Shaw is a good example and a good start. As I said, if we have good options, we should develop them .... the issue here is using the "wishlist" to attack (from the impression I get) relative top performers like Pujara, and when others are not even performing at his level .... If Pujara's average was closer to 40 (currently 50) it would have been understandable to question his place (and when we already know his strengths and weaknesses) Posted by me View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 20 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2016-2018 24 41 4 2732 243 73.83 4195 65.12 11 7 3 281 8 CA Pujara 2016-2018 25 42 2 2040 202 51.00 4491 45.42 7 9 3 235 4 KL Rahul 2016-2018 21 34 1 1249 199 37.84 2082 59.99 2 10 5 154 6 AM Rahane 2016-2018 22 37 2 982 132 28.05 2122 46.27 1 5 3 105 4 R Ashwin 2016-2018 24 35 2 786 72 23.81 1398 56.22 0 5 1 98 3 Posted by EB View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Nov 2016 Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 8 16 0 879 153 54.93 1500 58.60 3 4 1 102 1 CA Pujara 7 14 1 378 132* 29.07 1068 35.39 1 2 2 48 0 AM Rahane 6 12 0 314 81 26.16 734 42.77 0 2 1 34 0 KL Rahul 7 14 0 329 149 23.50 551 59.70 1 0 2 48 1 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 6 12 2 216 38 21.60 321 67.28 0 0 0 33 1 S Dhawan 5 10 0 194 44 19.40 325 59.69 0 0 0 28 0 M Vijay 5 10 0 128 46 12.80 434 29.49 0 0 2 15 0 Otherwise, I agree that we need batsmen who can support Kohli, who is in the league of his own, overseas too. The process has already begun as we have brought in a new opener. Rahane (test avg 41) and Rahul (test avg 38) are on notice esp. if we have viable options. Once newcomers establish themselves and perform as per "realistic" expectations, we can replace Pujara too if required (nothing is set in stone) Edited October 8, 2018 by zen Link to comment
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