zen Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) In the last 10 years, we played 33% of our games in SENA (w/ 40% of them in Eng). How important (the degree) is it to do well in SENA for Ind? I understand that as a top cricket playing nation we have to do well everywhere including in SENA, but are we getting too obsessed about it? Is it like wanting the girl more who ignores us Or is it the traditional obsession with anything "overseas" (and the deep rooted psyche to impress the colonial masters?) I read posts where x say we need to do well here to be #1, and y retorts but we don't do well in SENA. So nothing that we do elsewhere is important? Is #1 ranking is pointless? Why can't we be happy about our positives too? For the "colonial masters" winning in Ind is important but are they as obsessed about it as many in Ind are? As aforementioned, it is important to win everywhere. But this obsession w/ SENA is hilarious. PS Focus will shift to WTC in July 2019 Ind's schedule 2019 July: In WI (2 Tests) Oct: vs SA (3 Tests) Nov: vs BD (2 Tests) 2020 Feb: In NZ (2 Tests) Nov: In Aus (4 Tests) 2021 Jan: vs Eng (5 Tests) June: Final (TBD) Edited October 12, 2018 by zen bhakum20 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Its not 'hilarious'. ANUS countries are places where India has rarely won, often getting trounced. Its only natural for an improving team to address that and prioritize that disproportionately. WC2011INDIA and Vilander 2 Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, sandeep said: Its not 'hilarious'. ANUS countries are places where India has rarely won, often getting trounced. Its only natural for an improving team to address that and prioritize that disproportionately. I understand and as aforementioned it is important, but the level of obsession is what surprises me. The chances of winning consistently in SENA hinges on the number of great cricketers that we can produce. WI and Aus won in Ind mainly because of its ATG cricketers Right now, we are not at that level. We have to take it step by step. Unnecessarily pushing for more could create a situation of "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush" Edited October 8, 2018 by zen Link to comment
goose Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 it's huge! test cricket will die or at best become a circus if everyone gives up on winning away. India has to lead the way SrinjayDutta and sandeep 2 Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, goose said: it's huge! test cricket will die or at best become a circus if everyone gives up on winning away. India has to lead the way Why would anyone give up on winning anywhere? Link to comment
jusarrived Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I give it 50% weightage Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jusarrived said: I give it 50% weightage that sounds reasonable if it is 50% Asia, 50% overseas (basically SENA) Edited October 8, 2018 by zen Link to comment
goose Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 india is churning out ready made cricketers able to win at home at will. if you don't set the bar higher Indian cricket will become a cesspit of money and nepotism Link to comment
goose Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 the no.1 ranking is utterly pointless - correct GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
goose Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 depends on your age too, if you've spent your life seeing the great Windies and Australian sides beat everyone away it's natural to want your side to do the same. sandeep and bhakum20 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, goose said: india is churning out ready made cricketers able to win at home at will. if you don't set the bar higher Indian cricket will become a cesspit of money and nepotism We do not win at home at will. We have lost to Aus and SA when the pitch had some grass on it Nagpur Test Nagpur test vs SA Test vs SA at A'bad And the test featured some of our best test cricketers. Do you think we need to set a bar that creates better cricketers than even the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, etc.? (Realm of diminishing returns. This is where obsession with SENA clouds realistic thinking) PS loss vs Pak link Edited October 8, 2018 by zen Link to comment
goose Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, zen said: We do not win at home at will. We have lost to Aus and SA when the pitch had some grass on it Nagpur Test Nagpur test vs SA Test vs SA at A'bad And the test featured some of our best test cricketers. Do you think we need to set a bar that creates better cricketers than even the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, etc.? (Realm of diminishing returns. This is where obsession with SENA clouds realistic thinking) PS loss vs Pak link old data Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, goose said: old data the cricketers are some of the best though .... and our obsession to win in SENA, to an certain extent, stems from our performances abroad in 2000s As aforementioned, unrealistic expectations and such obsession could produce negative returns Link to comment
zen Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, goose said: the no.1 ranking is utterly pointless - correct In the absence of world cup in tests, how is test ranking pointless? Edited October 8, 2018 by zen Link to comment
mishra Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, goose said: the no.1 ranking is utterly pointless - correct Nope. India can wasily win in SENA. India is loosing because of other factors. Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) I would not rate any Australian, English, South African, West Indian or NZ team that highly if they cannot win outside their comfort zone ... more precisely against the strong Asian teams. As of now it is mainly India. If you cannot defeat India in India ... you are not a top test team. Steve Waugh called India their final frontier . Same regarding the batsman and pacers of SENA countries. If they can't perform in Asia ... they should never be held in high esteem. The main test for becoming a great team or a great player is to perform outside their comfort zone. Otherwise you can be good but not great. Edited October 9, 2018 by express bowling sensible-indian and Lannister 2 Link to comment
SUMO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, sandeep said: Its not 'hilarious'. ANUS countries are places where India has rarely won, often getting trounced. Its only natural for an improving team to address that and prioritize that disproportionately. ANUS lol, sounds much batter than SENA. zen 1 Link to comment
goose Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 12 hours ago, zen said: In the absence of world cup in tests, how is test ranking pointless? test cricket is such a thorough examination any points system aimed at 'informing' us how well a side has done is superfluous. India have played 8 tests away and won two in 2018 with Aus to come. that's your points system right there. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 it is lot more important than winning in tests in SENA. After all what is with 'importance' ??? Every Indian fan would like the team to be the no: 1 team in the world. For that the team being highly competitive in SENA is a must .Not that we need to win every series in SENA, but to have lot lot more better results than 4-1,4-0,4-0,3-1 etc results is essential . Odd series win in these countries too are essential. That is exactly for what every team is playing for. For instance I would have been lot lot more satisfied if the loss in the recent ENG series was 3-2 rather than 4-1, if not a victory for India. Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 SENA countries are not as obsessed about doing well in Asia as ASIAN5 are obsessed with doing well in SENA. This is truth. In august boycott openly proclaimed that "these indian batsmen make easy runs in their home conditions" conveniently forgetting that all-round batsmanship includes mastery over both swing as well as spin. Only a few of theirs like Vaughan, Swann etc... actually accept that England are a lot more spin deficient than India are with swing. The biggest reason for this is ASHES. Eng-Aus will always see this as the ultimate test series. Saffers always want to defeat the Ashes favourite and NZ tag along. Unfortunately for us our rivalry with Pakistan which towers head and shoulders above the ashes is marred thanks to the terrorist elements running the Pakistan state. So we are dependant on Australia, England and SA to provide test rivalry which no one else can. rkt.india 1 Link to comment
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