express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Steep bounce is one of the most difficult things to handle in cricket. And when the ball is released from a very high point by tall pacers, the trajectory of the ball is much more difficult to follow by batters. Some of the most deadly pacers in the last 40 years have been tall and bouncy. This includes ... Ambrose, Walsh, Garner, Holding, Croft, Bishop, Patterson, McGrath, Gillespie, Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood, Srinath, Akram, Asif, Donald, Pollock, Morkel, Rabada, Bond, Boult, Willis, Harmison, Broad, Anderson etc. Top tallish pacers include Roberts, Lee, Johnson, Kapil, Zaheer, Imran, Ntini etc. Tall and accurate pacers are much more difficult to score off too. Yes ... there have been some deadly short and medium heigh pacers ... like Marshall, Waqar, Akhtar, Steyn, Malinga etc. And now Bumrah, Shami etc. But most high quality quick bowlers have been tall or tallish. Moreover, even if some pacers are short or medium height ... the entire pace attack should not be filled with shorter pacers. In India now we are playing ... Shardul ... short Bhuvi ... short Kaul ... short Shami ... short Umesh ... medium height Chahar ... medium height Bumrah ... medium height but gets bounce Siraj ... tallish ( yet to play ) Khaleel ... tall Ishant ... very tall Khaleel and Siraj are new ... this means we have often had full pace attacks consisting of no taller pacers if Ishant is absent. It is still ok in tests in Asia where skiddiness and reverse swing at pace are the most important factors. But when we are touring overseas ... and in ODIs anywhere ... having some tall and accurate pacers are important. This seems amazing to me. I thought that anyone connected to cricket knew this aspect. We may go to Australia for the test tour with only one tall pacer in Ishant. Why are we making this tactical mistake ? Please discuss. Edited October 13, 2018 by express bowling Suhaan, Sgattick10, Straight Drive and 7 others 1 3 1 5 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) New options we have regarding tall and tallish pacers Siraj ... tallish ... ready for tests only Saini ... tallish ... ready Rajpoot ... tall ... ready Khaleel ... tall ... ready for LOIs only Prasidh ... tall ... playing for India-A Avesh ... tall ... not ready yet Khejrolya ... tall ... not ready yet Aniket C ... very tall ... out of favour Sran ... tall ... is he fit ? Warrier ... tallish ... never considered Edited October 13, 2018 by express bowling UrmiSinhaRay and Mosher 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Dont know if our team managements thinks about these things as deeply as some of us. What is the job of our coach? Isnt to identify youngsters and develop them. Sitting in the dressing room isn't the job of a coach. GolGappe, Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Dont know if our team managements thinks about these things as deeply as some of us. What is the job of our coach? Isnt to identify youngsters and develop them. Sitting in the dressing room isn't the job of a coach. Having some taller pacers with bounce is supposed to be a basic thing in cricket. How can our coach, captain and selectors miss it ! Just think of the pace attack we chose for England LOIs. Kaul Umesh Bhuvi Chahar / Shardul How can experts have such a pace attack ... all short to medium right armed pacers ... And 3 out of 4 without pace !! UrmiSinhaRay and DHONI_FANN 1 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Game is changing and not just cricket but most sports are starting to see tallish players. Its more evident in cricket than Tall plahers can use the pitch to their advantage wnd can have a real impact in many games. Its not a bad choice to spot such talent and pick a bowler or two and let them be enrolled into the A squad and main team eventually. We might not need all tall bowlers but at least having few can help. Even someone like Ishant Sharma, who has been massively inconsistent throughout his career, has shown recently that height can help him trouble players. So someone as tall as Ishant or around his height can actually come to the team and do better thigs for us. It will be welcome change for our test team. UrmiSinhaRay and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Ishwar Pandey 6'3" and Mohit Sharma 5'9" both performed well in a particular season a few years back. Both bowled 130 k to 140 k Pandey was the better swing bowler Pandey got much more bounce. But Mohit played for India and Pandey never played a match. So ... no recognition of height or bounce back then even. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just look at how short players are strugging in Tennis these days. Most of them have poor serve and are struggling in futures ATP circuit or challengers circuit while taller players are making faster transitions to the ATP pro circuit. Barring Diego Schwartzman of Argentina and Kei Nishikori of Japan, not many short height players seem to be finding it easy to play and battle against the tall guys which are norm now in Tennis. Cricket works the same way. Use the bowlers who have height and they will get the purchase out of the pitch. Mosher, Vilander, Vk1 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Management are going for skills and traits that can be taught (swing, line and length) over things that can't really be taught (height, pace) Vilander and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, ThePhenomenal1 said: Management are going for skills and traits that can be taught (swing, line and length) over things that can't really be taught (height, pace) so why cant they teach those skills and traits to those who have height and pace? Wouldn't that be a better option for anyone with a slight bit of common sense or knowledge of cricket? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Cricketics said: . Use the bowlers who have height and they will get the purchase out of the pitch. This. While selecting 4 pacers in a squad ... have atleast 2 tall or tallish pacers. The other 2 pacers can be shorter if that are otherwise good ( quick or skilled ) ... and there will be variety. Edited October 13, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, UrmiSinhaRay and Cricketics 2 1 Link to comment
DHONI_FANN Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Is anyone watching English vs Sri Lanka? Watch out for Oly Stone Mosher, express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, DHONI_FANN said: Is anyone watching English vs Sri Lanka? Watch out for Oly Stone He was bowling quickly in domestic T20 league. UrmiSinhaRay and DHONI_FANN 1 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Is there anyway we could contact team management and smack some sense into them? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
bhakum20 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Dont know if our team managements thinks about these things as deeply as some of us. What is the job of our coach? Isnt to identify youngsters and develop them. Sitting in the dressing room isn't the job of a coach. these are basics that even a 10 year old knows about. There's nothing to think so deeply about. It's a sport for god's sake not some science experiment. It's just that selection is politicized and people have their views about choosing experienced players or favorite players, regardless of how talented they are or what's required to actually get the job done. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
bhakum20 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 hours ago, express bowling said: Ishwar Pandey 6'3" and Mohit Sharma 5'9" both performed well in a particular season a few years back. Both bowled 130 k to 140 k Pandey was the better swing bowler Pandey got much more bounce. But Mohit played for India and Pandey never played a match. So ... no recognition of height or bounce back then even. maybe the 5 foot tall selector babus have some complex or jealousy against tall sportsmen and don't select them :/ express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lannister said: Is there anyway we could contact team management and smack some sense into them? Most team management can be contacted in the evenings in local pubs where match is taking place. Go earlier in the evening, else they may have shifted to strip clubs. Main member of team management may be contacted by locating Anushka Sharma in the most expensive shopping area of that city. Edited October 13, 2018 by Forever Indian express bowling, bhakum20, SK_IH and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Don't think selectors are unaware that tallish bowlers have higher probability to gain more bounce.Its a basic scientific aspect which is posted in numerous articles over the decades cricket has been played. Selection has always been dubious.The quota system was abolished bit still we see zone wise selection. One north zone player gets dropped, his replacement usually would be from North zone. Similar with other zones. Javagal Srinath and Ishant are the two tall pacers who have played a lot of cricket. Abey Kuruvilla was tall as well but he did not get many matches apart from the debut against Windies and probably a test here and there.Amongst the spinners Kulkarni was the tallest spinner. It is good we have a lot of tall pacers right now. The only issue is how many games they will represent in.Strategic selections could continue to be less. UrmiSinhaRay and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Aniket Chaudhuri is a 6'5" tall left arm pacer who bowls 130 k to 145 k. Has a sharp bouncer and can swing the ball. Gets steep bounce. Did reasonably well for India-A when he got his chance. But fell out of favour suddenly. Why could he not be tried in 4 or 5 ODIs even, if they are too conservative to try him in tests ? ( Not in T20Is, which is the worst format for a newbie to debut in ) His time has passed now with lots of new guys coming through. But I hope Navdeep Saini and Ankit Rajpoot don't go the same way. tweaker, UrmiSinhaRay, Mosher and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Vk1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Ishant Sharma is partly to blame for this. His meagre returns for such a long period has removed any small soft corner that they might have had on tall Pacers. Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Baigan Bharta Arun has brought all this mediocrity , UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now