zen Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) To be competitive in Aus in relatively good batting surfaces, we may need to avg a min of 600 runs per test. For the 4 test series, it gives us 2,400 runs. Below is how I expect (budget allocation) the runs to be scored: Top Order (Openers + Pujara) = 1,000 Kohli (would not like to miss out in Aus) = 450 Rahane (SENA specialist so expected to put his hand up in his strong zone) = 450 #6 = 250 Rest (depending upon our combination and who plays at 7) = 250+ Total (min required) = 2,400 This is probably the min required to make us competitive unless we keep bowling out Aus for less than 250 per inning, which is 500 runs per test Depending up on the pitches and to give ourselves an opportunity to be in winning positions, we may need 700 runs per test = 2,800 runs PS In the last 5 years, Ind in Aus 1 to 6: Runs scored 84% 7 to 11: Runs scored 16% Edited October 13, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, UnknownGenius said: No offense but I stopped reading when you expected Kohli and Rahane to score the same number of runs Min requirement expected from a SENA specialist batsman (budget allocation) .... I do not expect him to score 450 though (meet the budget) UrmiSinhaRay and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, UnknownGenius said: I would expect more from the rest tbh. 7,8,9,10,11 across 4 tests and perhaps 8 innings and just 250 runs??? Pandya himself if he is the all rounder people claim to be should be scoring 250 runs minimum across 4 tests They can always go beyond their "budget" UrmiSinhaRay and Laaloo 1 1 Link to comment
test fan Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Main problem in Australia how we get 20 wickit . Edited October 13, 2018 by test fan UrmiSinhaRay, sandeep and Sgattick10 1 2 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, test fan said: Main problem in Australia how we get 20 wickit . First think how to atleast draw the series UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
test fan Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, zen said: First think how to atleast draw the series Only satisfying when score line is 4-0 /0-4 UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Just now, UnknownGenius said: Your bugdet is too low for 7-11. Basically your budget tells me 7-11 are bonafide tailenders. 250 runs across say 8 innings is about 30 runs per inning give or take. Divide by 5 (7,8,9,10,11) and you're expecting an average of just 6 runs per innings from numbers 7 to 11 Note: I hope for your company's sake you're not the one putting together budgets. Don't be in a hurry to start threads. Take a step back and work on your numbers diligently. I'm out of this thread because it is not trustworthy and lacks integrity Ok genius! whatever works for you UrmiSinhaRay and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, test fan said: Only satisfying when score line is 4-0 /0-4 Neither is likely to happen as Ind can be expected to do well in at least one test UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said: Your bugdet is too low for 7-11. Basically your budget tells me 7-11 are bonafide tailenders. 250 runs across say 8 innings is about 30 runs per inning give or take. Divide by 5 (7,8,9,10,11) and you're expecting an average of just 6 runs per innings from numbers 7 to 11 Note: I hope for your company's sake you're not the one putting together budgets. Don't be in a hurry to start threads. Take a step back and work on your numbers diligently. I'm out of this thread because it is not trustworthy and lacks integrity Why just this thread? Why not get out of this forum as well? zen, OpeningBatsman, Adi BB and 5 others 1 6 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 Rahane in Aus Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Home or away away (home of opposition) Host country Australia Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 52 88 10 3266 188 41.87 6415 50.91 9 15 6 370 23 Profile filtered 4 8 1 399 147 57.00 628 63.53 1 2 1 52 0 Do some folks expect us to reduce his budget when he is being played to put his hand up in SENA? Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Laaloo said: Why just this thread? Why not get out of this forum as well? May be forum is the only place where he can display his "winning mentality" Laaloo, Adi BB, philcric and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 What are the venues? MCG, Perth, Sydney and ? Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Laaloo said: What are the venues? MCG, Perth, Sydney and ? Adelaide Link to comment
velu Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 how long our tailenders survive against starc & cummins ? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, velu said: how long our tailenders survive against starc & cummins ? If we are hoping for the tail to survive, we are likely to be in big trouble already UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Australian tracks are flat these days with limited movement on offer. Most of our batters are good against pace and bounce nowadays. So I expect most of our top 6 batters to do much better than in SA and England. UrmiSinhaRay and SrinjayDutta 2 Link to comment
tweaker Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 If Pant plays as he has played in the last 3 tests, we may expect 300 runs from him. His runs may turn out to be the deciding factor in the Australia test series. If Pandya or Bhubaneswar are playing as 4th pacer after Bumrah, Shami, Ishant,we may expect atleast 150 runs from them. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) I hope at least a couple of our batsmen have a great series (500 runs) as we have to get closer to the 2,800 runs mark (if not more depending up on the tracks) Edited October 17, 2018 by zen UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 This thread has reminded me of something similar I wrote - 15 years ago before an unprecedented successful Indian tour down under. It was one of the first series I watched online, willow.tv was new back then, and the stream quality was excellent with zero ads. Quote There has been a lot of despondent, negative moaning and whining about how team India has no chance whatsoever, etc. While I do understand the negativity and am also feeling a bit pessimistic, the first ball is yet to be bowled, oz have yet to blast our over hyped pop-guns to smithereens and they haven't quite skittled us out yet. Let's leave aside the bowling for a moment and talk about our batting. There can be exhaustive debate as to how strong the batting really is; their repeated failure overseas and an inability to come good as a unit. Oft-repeated snippy comments about ‘knee problems' and bounce-o-phobia not withstanding, Team India's trump card is its batting. With 2 of the best 5 batsmen in the world, a combative and mentally strong Skipper and a class #6 capable of match-winning innings on his day, the Indian middle-order has the ability and potential to go head-to-head with the finest bowlers and come out on top. Even the inexperienced openers are some cause for hope with a feisty and talented (although a bit impetuous) Sehwag and an impressive (so far) Akash Chopra. The Indian batting unit is easily the strongest component of the team and will shoulder the maximum responsibility. My expectations are for the batting to average about 320 runs per Innings, at a minumum 300 per innings. At the very least, they should accomplish this in the first innings of every test. A secondary target would be that I'd like to see them bat an average of 90+ overs per innings ( 100+ overs in the 1st innings). With 6 batsmen, a non-rounder and a keeper, they are capable of doing that - getting to 300+ can be done even if only 3 batsmen post 50+ scores and the rest chip in - hell, even 2 100s can do it . Why can't the top 6 give us a (25 + 6 + 63 + 82 + 16 + 55) for instance? I'm looking for the tail to give us an average of 50-70 runs per innings. Don't think that's too much to ask is it for 5 wickets? If they do that and the top 6 muster together about 250-275, again not asking for the moon here, we get to 325. If they manage to get to 600+ runs in a test, then we succeed in taking the game well into the 5th day, the likelihood of draws is significantly high, and an oz fcuk-up could even bring in a possibility of an unlikely win. A look back at the most recent tour to Australia - Our best four batsmen were part of the debacle. Test.Innings__ Runs/Overs________Run rate (Indian Batting only) 1.2 ___________285/113___________2.5 1.4___________110/39___________2.8 2.2___________238/77___________ 3.1 2.4___________195/90___________ 2.2 3.1___________ 150/68___________ 2.2 3.3___________261/58___________ 4.5 India average score per innings 206 (1st innings avg. 224, 2nd 189)– average overs per innings consumed 75(1st innings avg. 86, 2nd 66). Failed to cross 300 even once, only once out of 6 innings, did we survive more than 90 overs. The Indian team was in complete disarray at that time, I don't think it's possible to do worse this time around. So is it an unreasonable overly optimistic, too demanding to expect this team to put up an avg. of 300 runs per innings? UrmiSinhaRay, SrinjayDutta and AuxiliA 2 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Nostalgia aside, I expect its going to be a quality contest. I'm leaning towards expecting the Aus tracks to not be concrete run-filled roads for this series. Just like SA and England amped up their home advantage, I expect Aus to double down on the one thing that is alien to Indian batsmen, and relative familiar to Aussie ones - Bounce. If you give neutral conditions to this Indian team, they will beat your arse. SA managed to squeak out a test series thanks to poor Indian planning, and a failure to press home the advantage in the 1st test, when Bhuvi had them 3 down for nothing. Similarly, if India had managed to score 20-odd more runs in the 1st test of the England series, I suspect that the final scoreline would have been radically different. The only thing that saved SA and England, were that the native bowler friendly conditions were super-amped up an extent that the home players familiarity with it managed to end up being the deciding factor. Australia can go 2 ways - the usual concrete roads, or super bouncy tracks. The former is less likely given that they will be missing 2 of their biggest home track bullies against us, and the fact that we are equally or more capable than their team of piling on runs and having a bowling unit that can be effective in such conditions, especially on the spin side. I think they will be putting their bets on bounce. UrmiSinhaRay and Vk1 1 1 Link to comment
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