Switchblade Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Quote https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/104534/india-vs-windies-2nd-test-ensure-kl-rahuls-mind-is-not-clouded-india-national-team-batting-coach-sanjay-bangar KL Rahul's weakness against incoming deliveries has been a point of discussion in recent times. In the 17 innings that he has played this year, he has managed only two fifty-plus scores and has been dismissed by pacers 16 times. Out of these dismissals, five have been bowled and four leg-before. In his career so far, he has been out bowled/LBW a total of 21 times, 17 of which have come against the pacers, pointing at a technical shortcoming. Even in 2015, Rahul had a lean patch when he averaged 31.50 in eight innings but he managed to overcome that with solid performance in the following two years. However, 2018 has been a retrograde journey for the 26-year-old, whose average of 22.76 lies in between those of Murali Vijay and Shikhar Dhawan, who also average less than 30 this year. "After giving enough opportunities, if the players don't deliver then in all fairness we need to look at youngsters who are doing well on the domestic cricket circuit and for India 'A'," MSK Prasad, India's chief selector, had told TOI in September, a couple of weeks before India's Test squad to play against the Windies was announced. Vijay and Dhawan were excluded from the Test team while Prithvi Shaw and Mayank Agarwal, proven performers in the domestic circuit and for India 'A', were roped in. Before the second Test got underway, with Rahul having already registered a duck in an otherwise emphatic batting performance from India in Rajkot, bowling coach Bharath Arun had come to the defence of the opener. "Rahul is an outstanding player with tremendous potential, who should be persisted with," he had said. Sanjay Bangar, the batting coach, echoed those sentiments on a day when India rode on solid performances from Shaw, Ajinkya Rahane and Rishabh Pant to post in excess of 300 in the second Test in Hyderabad, with Rahul yet again having struggled before being dismissed for only four. "I just felt today's dismissal wasn't really related to the ball coming in because it was probably a fourth stump ball he was looking to leave it. Yes, he has had issues with balls coming in to him, he's working on it really hard," Bangar said. "But at times, batsmen tend to think a lot about away going balls and at times forget to concentrate about straighter balls or those which pitch generally on stump line. Those are things we've been working on. "If he gets past the 15 or 20 mark - even in the previous game he got out pretty early and even in this game he got to play a few balls but (didn't make it big) - if those dismissals happen after he crosses 20 or 25, then it is a more serious cause of concern. From my point of view, what is more important is that he is concentrating and expecting balls to be pitching on stump line and taking it from there. The second roadblock is he needs to get a start. If he falters, then it's a concern." Bangar, while acknowledging that Rahul has been going through a struggling phase, had a word of caution for the opener as he advised him not to doubt his game. "The most important thing is that there are various voices and then you start to doubt your own methods. For us, he's been a very consistent player. If you look at his career, what his career has been so far - right from 2014 till now - he has had very, very small patches where has not got the runs that he generally delivers for the team. "So when such a (lean) patch comes, it's very important for the team and even from my point of view, to make sure that his mind is not clouded quite a lot. That can generally happen a lot at this level - when you start to doubt your own abilities and methods. To convince him that 'yes, your methods have been correct, maybe you can get away from your approach a bit or batting plan a bit'. But I don't think there's too much of a technical fault but maybe once he gets past those initial phases, and he expects the ball to be pitched on stump line that's we have been speaking a lot." Despite his struggles, Bangar insisted that Rahul is a quality player and the team needs to back him during his lean phase. Pointing out to some of his good performances overseas and during the "hard-fought" series against Australia at home, Bangar was of the opinion that Rahul is an impact player who can win matches for his team. "You need to look at where the player is (performance wise) and you need to keep an eye on the future. Whatever runs he [Rahul] scored for the Indian team, his contributions have come overseas and his contributions even in India has come in tougher times. You remember the series against Australia which probably was the most hard-fought series. "In the domestic calendar in the last couple of years he was very consistent. So for a player of that quality, he's got a long career ahead of him. He is somebody who is part of all other formats as well, so I think that from a team management point of view we will back players who are capable of winning matches, who are impact players for us, and who can change the course of a match," Bangar said. Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 He should be at the peak of his career at this age but sadly the team politics has killed his career. It's too late for him now. Switchblade, fedex, Kothili and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 What step is Bangar taking to improve Rahul's much deteriorated and self-doubting footwork ? Adi BB and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment
Switchblade Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, express bowling said: What step is Bangar taking to improve Rahul's much deteriorated and self-doubting footwork ? Bangar is also a free loader a passenger in the cheerleader coaching staff management has been fooling us for the past four years feel so bad at times wish we had a proper coach and a competent coaching staff who can work with young players but it seems the whole setup is corrupt where they are just scratching each other’s back. Link to comment
RAZPOR Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 They have destroyed a potential all format player for India. Well done. Lannister, Vilander and Kothili 1 2 Link to comment
Number Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Not a single young batsman has flourished under Bangar's coaching. Kothili and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Switchblade said: Bangar is also a free loader a passenger in the cheerleader coaching staff management has been fooling us for the past four years feel so bad at times wish we had a proper coach and a competent coaching staff who can work with young players but it seems the whole setup is corrupt where they are just scratching each other’s back. Who is responsible for this mess? Is there anyone else other than kohli to be blamed? Switchblade and raki05 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Number said: Not a single young batsman has flourished under Bangar's coaching. Banger and Shastri have converted an aspect of Indian cricket, test match batting, which stereotypically used to be our greatest strength, into our greatest weakness. That there is no repercussion despite this happening, shows that there is little accountability. Switchblade, Mosher, Suhaan and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Lannister said: He should be at the peak of his career at this age but sadly the team politics has killed his career. It's too late for him now. Stop making excuse for him. International teams have found a weakness and now exposing him. Every Sachin at one point had the issue of ball sneaking between bat and pad, he sorted it out. Look at Raina he bats as if every ball will be short he is never getting past it. Its now on Rahul how he wants to move forward. Switchblade, Kothili, The Dark Horse and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Number said: Not a single young batsman has flourished under Bangar's coaching. Back in his days Bangar himself didnt set the world on fire He was ultra mediocre Can't expect him to teach anything to young batsmen but mediocrity Kothili, raki05 and express bowling 1 2 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Back in his days Bangar himself didnt set the world on fire He was ultra mediocre Can't expect him to teach anything to young batsmen but mediocrity So everyone but Rahul is at fault Kothili 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: So everyone but Rahul is at fault Rahul is at fault No one denies that,he didn't cashed in the opportunities came his way But which young Indian batsman prospered under Bangar? express bowling and Kothili 1 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: Stop making excuse for him. International teams have found a weakness and now exposing him. Every Sachin at one point had the issue of ball sneaking between bat and pad, he sorted it out. Look at Raina he bats as if every ball will be short he is never getting past it. Its now on Rahul how he wants to move forward. Didn't you see how he was treated in the early stage of his career by the team management? After winning tough Australia series on the back of his performance, he was dropped from the Test team. He just never looked the same after that series. Your Sachin Tendulkar didn't have to through that in his career. Switchblade, Forever Indian, Suhaan and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Yeah let us blame everyone else other than batsman himself wonderful. Kothili and Switchblade 1 1 Link to comment
Number Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: So everyone but Rahul is at fault Rahul is responsible for his own downfall. But lets see Bangar's record here. Vijay Dhawan Rahane Pujara all of them regressed or could not get where they should have been based on the potential they showed before Bangar became our coach. Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Number said: Rahul is responsible for his own downfall. But lets see Bangar's record here. Vijay Dhawan Rahane Pujara all of them regressed or could not get where they should have been based on the potential they showed before Bangar became our coach. Dhawan did not regress, he is what he was always a suspect against moving ball. Pujara has done well under Bangar. Vijay and Rahane never had the quality to be top notch batsmen, 2013-15 they just had their best period which was not that great but looked better only becuase of other batsmen's failures. Stop blaming coaches Kohli made massive improvement under Bangar. Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Number said: Rahul is responsible for his own downfall. But lets see Bangar's record here. Vijay Dhawan Rahane Pujara all of them regressed or could not get where they should have been based on the potential they showed before Bangar became our coach. Bangar came in 2014, some have remain same like pujara, some have improved like kohli and some have regressed like Vijay. Kothili 1 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, Lannister said: Didn't you see how he was treated in the early stage of his career by the team management? After winning tough Australia series on the back of his performance, he was dropped from the Test team. He just never looked the same after that series. Your Sachin Tendulkar didn't have to through that in his career. What early stage are we talking about twice the guy got injured before high profile series which allowed Dhawan to return. Kohli was dropped early on how did he come back strong ? as i wrote before stop making excuses for Rahul. By the looks of it he will have to bat again in the 2nd test against WI. For his sake he gets some runs. Regarding Sachin, show me a period where he was avg in teens. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: Bangar came in 2014, some have remain same like pujara, some have improved like kohli 44 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: and some have regressed like Vijay. Vijay, Rahane and Rahul. Kothili and Number 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Making sure his mind is not clouded hmmmmm Dropped for dhawan on basis of lanka bashing when rahul had made runs against tough sides Given position 4 in odi, n dropped from squad in no time Dropped in eng odi after one poor game shastri coming out n saying rahul has to wait due to dhawan when he already did better then him yeaa right , he was made to feel secure technical problem keep cropping up time to time but dnt tell me this team mngmt has made him feel secure Kothili and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
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