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1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Good start to his career so far.  Let's see how he goes on from here.

 

Even Ajit Agarkar took 50 int'l wickets quite fast.  Faded away after that.  How old is Abbas anyway?  Legal age and real one?

Taking 50 odi wickets which Agarkar took and taking 50 test wickets are totally different. It is a great achievement even if he does not  reach  bigger milestones.

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6 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

he seems to be a good bowler in conditions  that support swing.

Dubai was a dead pitch, credit to him for extracting what he did. 

 

In Eng, we felt what padosis must have earlier with good bowling and crap batting besides Kohli. I suspect padosis will feel what we used to earlier, a promising bowler who loses pace and becomes a trundler after a couple of injuries :p:

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6 hours ago, UnknownGenius said:

Isn't he a trundle by icf standards? By same standards mcgrath and Anderson are trundles too

 

 

McGrath was more of 140+ bowler for most part of his carrier. Batsman who faced him said he was quicker than his pace showed on meter. Who made you genius btw?

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Remember seeing bit of him in county & last match. He gets bit movement even on flattest deck. Yes he don't have pace but he has proven himself in tough conditions in test cricket that he can pick wickets without help. He will have to perform against better sides for more long period to be considered as quality pacer (to level of vernon philander maybe)

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4 hours ago, Nikola said:

McGrath was more of 140+ bowler for most part of his carrier. Batsman who faced him said he was quicker than his pace showed on meter.

 

Yes ...  the McGrath example invariably comes up when trundler references are given these days.

 

But

 

McGrath was a  6'5"  pacer who hit the deck hard and got steep bounce.  Extracted a lot of life out of the pitch. There was no regular speed gun usage during his quickest years when he was in his 20s.  

 

During the 1999 World Cup, when regular speed gun usage started,  he bowled at an average speed of 138 k in the first match.  That is quick.

 

McGrath hit more batsmen on the body than Jason Gillespie did.   He got a lot of zip and bounce off the deck.

 

Some people only remember a 35 year old McGrath bowling slower.  That happens to every pacer when " old ".

 

Even Anderson  is a 6'2" pacer who gets good bounce.  He  was a fast medium bowler during most of his career. Never a trundler. Again, impression is formed during his last years.

 

Good pacers who are able to gather huge experience ... are able to pick up lots of wickets when they are " old ".  At that time, experience and high skill level substitutes extra pace.  A pacer without huge experience can't replicate that.

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, speedheat said:

So.... When are we seeing him in Odis??, when is our next engagement with pak in odis?? 

Please get him in Odis

Against red hot rohit-dhawan 

Six sixes on the cards lmao..

Holder last test took 5 for 50 odd against us. 

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On 10/16/2018 at 7:09 PM, Asim said:

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Just took his 50th Test wicket in 10th match, impressive going, never went wicket-less in any inng so far...

SR of 40 with avg 16 is super impressive considering it includes few matches in UAE too where he is performing equally well...

wtf were you guys doing with Mohammad amir all this while? this guy should have played 75 test matches by now...

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9 minutes ago, DHONI_FANN said:

Wonderful bowler. Looks threatening all the time even though his speed is not that high. 

He is immaculate with his lengths.  Hitting such immaculate length is being as gifted at bowling 150KPH.  He hits such lengths, not because he is slow.  Sometimes people think he is slow so he is so accurate.  A slow bowler does not automatically become an accurate bowler.   

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He is immaculate with his lengths.  Hitting such immaculate length is being as gifted at bowling 150KPH.  He hits such lengths, not because he is slow.  Sometimes people think he is slow so he is so accurate.  A slow bowler does not automatically become an accurate bowler.   


132kph is by no means ‘slow’..even more deadly with movement off the pitch.

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A fast-medium bowler with excellent control of line and length, with the ability to move the ball both ways.

 

Ironic that he is the kind of bowlers Indians idolized through the 90s and Pakistanis made fun of, while today Pakistanis are singing songs of this guy and Indians are all about 'what speed did XYZ bowl at IPL?!'

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2 hours ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

wtf were you guys doing with Mohammad amir all this while? this guy should have played 75 test matches by now...

bhai, he couldn't have played 75 tests because he did not come through the system. Reading his cricinfo bio, he used to be a blacksmith's apprentice in a village somewhere, then became a peon for a law firm in a city, where he played his cricket to get noticed. He wouldn't have been on anyone's radar till 3-4 years ago, max.

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A fast-medium bowler with excellent control of line and length, with the ability to move the ball both ways.
 
Ironic that he is the kind of bowlers Indians idolized through the 90s and Pakistanis made fun of, while today Pakistanis are singing songs of this guy and Indians are all about 'what speed did XYZ bowl at IPL?!'


Errrrr no. Indian bowlers of 90’s were nothing like Abbas. Bowlers like this are unique.

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2 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

 


Errrrr no. Indian bowlers of 90’s were nothing like Abbas. Bowlers like this are unique.

 

Its about the attributes. I don't need to point out that every damn Pakistani post re: bowlers from even 10 years ago was ' he is a medium pacer, indians need to eat meat to make fast bowlers, blahblahblah'.

 

The point is, Pakistanis spent decades idolizing pace, while Indians spent decades idolizing bowlers like Abbas and now the views are opposite.

 

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Abbas still  has too much  left to prove  , I feel. He till now has only played in ENG, in UAE , against WI(lower ranked)  & a border line minnow AUS. His real test would be in AUS,NZL  & SAF where it not swings that much and genuine fastness comes into play. And playing against  relatively stronger Indian batting too is a criteria for  being great.  So reserving  opinions as of now.

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