Saudi Journalist Jamal Khashoggi Killed inside Saudi Consulate

[velu]

[mishra]

RIP. While politics goes on. His death exposed true face of "freedom of speech" in whole of West.

Unless offcourse, Turks and west have now joined hands to let Saudi king dig grave of MBS.

[Pollack]

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Edited October 20, 2018 by Pollack

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, mishra said:

RIP. While politics goes on. His death exposed true face of "freedom of speech" in whole of West.

Unless offcourse, Turks and west have now joined hands to let Saudi king dig grave of MBS.

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Its the western pressure along with Turkish opportunism politically, that has gotten the Saudis to buckle. What more do you want people/countries to do with one illegal execution ? Saudis have lost billions in investment already. I mean nobody in the right mind thinks anyone is going to unilaterally ban any and all trade with the Saudis because they brutally off-ed one of their expats. 

Like if you think the west values freedom of speech so they should start a war over this or stop any and all trade over it, sever diplomatic ties, etc - then you have an unrealistic view of what lengths the west should go to, to impose its values ?!

[mishra]

Make no mistake. This murder could have far reaching impact on relations between west and Midlle East. Allready some news editors are calling MBS , the new Saddam Hussain, Analysing how the new dynamics will impact Israel foreign policy and so on.

 

In crux its 9/11, one more time. MBS should know very well, Saudi Arabia is not Russia and So he cant be a Putin. iirc he started by threatening the west that in the event of Sanctions, Saudis will impose their own sanctions. Insiders say, 82 year old King Salman is now back in dealing with crisis.

 

I hope we dont see another recession

[velu]

everyone is treating iran unfairly .. i really dont remember any terrorist activity by persians in the west , but west is lumping iran as terrorist nation  

[velu]

meanwhile turkey keeps leaking the news one by one instead of giving the whole report ..

sort of like turkey wants saudi to keep telling lies and  they want to embarrass them again and again  

[mishra]

7 minutes ago, velu said:

everyone is treating iran unfairly .. i really dont remember any terrorist activity by persians in the west , but west is lumping iran as terrorist nation  

Because, Iran wants Israel to be eradicated from the face of earth. Despite sanctions, Its allways supporting training and weaponising Hamas. Just couple of years back, When sanctions were starting to ease off (Prior to Trump , at end Of Obama era), Iran started worrying about treatment of Kashmiri's in India.

 

Remember that Human Rights watch report on Kasmir which made so much noise in Indian media, The writer is Iranian stooge.

 

So dont give them free pass. They are worse then Saudis

Edited October 22, 2018 by mishra

[Vilander]

there are reports that pro Israel lobby in US do not want this to go out of hand. 

 

This is so messed up, but thoughts and prayers to the man and his fiancee who was waiting for him outside the embassy. Poor lady.  

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

Just couple of years back, When sanctions were starting to ease off (Prior to Trump , at end Of Obama era), Iran started worrying about treatment of Kashmiri's in India.

Kashmiries in POK are shia. the original ethinic, but i think the valley is Sunni/Wahabi now.

[mishra]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

Kashmiries in POK are shia. the original ethinic, but i think the valley is Sunni/Wahabi now.

 Offcourse, they know that Kashmir is Sunnis but unlike Saudis, who think Islam=Sunnis, or their kingdom is their core responsibility, Iran comes out as someone who will actively eradicate Jews, If in position, will fight for Muslims all over the world. The example I gave earlier, just shows quickly Iranians will change colours.

[Franco Vazquez]

MBS is still the best option for KSA. His reforms have been unheard of in KSA and he's empowering women and bringing more liberal ideas there and as for this journalist. He was a friend of Osama Bin Laden which means it could be US behind this attack too

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

 Offcourse, they know that Kashmir is Sunnis but unlike Saudis, who think Islam=Sunnis, or their kingdom is their core responsibility, Iran comes out as someone who will actively eradicate Jews, If in position, will fight for Muslims all over the world. The example I gave earlier, just shows quickly Iranians will change colours.

yeah Saudi's are violent desert barbarian culture. 

 

Persians are an ancient culture much like India. So yeah they will have a more civilizational  far reaching approach to this, more dangerous. 

[Vilander]

15 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

MBS is still the best option for KSA. His reforms have been unheard of in KSA and he's empowering women and bringing more liberal ideas there and as for this journalist. He was a friend of Osama Bin Laden which means it could be US behind this attack too

lol

[Franco Vazquez]

I think Iran held US Embassy for hostage in 1979 for almost a year 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

MBS is still the best option for KSA. His reforms have been unheard of in KSA and he's empowering women and bringing more liberal ideas there and as for this journalist. He was a friend of Osama Bin Laden which means it could be US behind this attack too

To bring in perpective, Insiders say, To Kushner, MBS came out as surprised why so much fuss on a jounalists death.

Edited October 22, 2018 by mishra

[mishra]

 

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

lol

Also, It was MBS last year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-saad-hariri-mohammed-bin-salman-lebanon.html

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But when he landed in Riyadh, Saudi officials took Mr. Hariri to his house and told him to wait — not for the king, but for the prince. He waited, from 6 p.m. to 1 a.m. No one came.

The next morning, he was summoned to meet the prince. There was no customary royal convoy, so Mr. Hariri took his own car. And instead of meeting the prince, officials said, he was manhandled by Saudi officials.

Lebanese officials described the long hours between the arrival and the resignation as a “black box.” They said they were reluctant to press Mr. Hariri for details. When asked, one of them said, Mr. Hariri just looked down at the table and said it was worse than they knew.

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Saudi Arabia had many pressure points to use against Mr. Hariri. It could threaten to expel the 250,000 or so Lebanese workers in Saudi Arabia, damaging Lebanon’s economy. And since Mr. Hariri is a dual Saudi citizen, with extensive business dealings in a country where kickbacks are endemic, they could threaten him personally. An Arab diplomat said Mr. Hariri was threatened with corruption charges.

The prime minister was handed a resignation speech to read, which he did at 2:30 p.m. from a room an official said was down the hall from the prince’s office. The text blamed Hezbollah and claimed his life was in danger; it used words that associates said did not sound like him.

 

Hours later, the Saudi authorities began their corruption roundups, detaining two of Mr. Hariri’s former business partners, a reminder of his own vulnerability.

In Lebanon, Western diplomats and Lebanese officials said, the Saudis expected the resignation would be taken at face value and bring about a mass outpouring of popular support from Hezbollah’s opponents. Instead, Lebanon reacted with mass suspicion. No one took to the streets. And Lebanon’s president, Michel Aoun, a Hezbollah ally, refused to accept the resignation unless Mr. Hariri delivered it in person.

After disappearing for hours, Mr. Hariri made his first known call to Mr. Aoun, who realized that the prime minister was not speaking freely. Lebanese officials began making the rounds to puzzled Western diplomats with an unusual message: We have reason to believe our prime minister has been detained.

Mr. Hariri, the officials said, was eventually placed with Saudi guards in a guesthouse on his own property, forbidden to see his wife and children. Within days, several Western ambassadors visited him there. They came away with conflicting impressions of how free he was. There were two Saudi guards in the room, officials said, and when the diplomats asked if the guards could leave, Mr. Hariri said no, they could stay.

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Meanwhile, the Saudi prince, apparently undaunted by international concerns, summoned yet another leader, the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and issued instructions on Palestinian politics. Officials differ on what Mr. Abbas was told in Riyadh. But Lebanese officials were alarmed. They dispatched General Ibrahim and a Palestinian envoy to Amman, Jordan, to debrief Mr. Abbas, three senior Lebanese officials said.

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Intense diplomacy followed by France, the United States, Egypt and other countries, producing a deal that allowed Mr. Hariri to leave Saudi Arabia.

But Prince Mohammed sent him home with a task: to get Hezbollah to withdraw its fighters from Yemen, Lebanese officials and Western and Arab diplomats involved in the deal said. That demand proved, the Western and Arab diplomats said, that the prince was not well-informed on Yemen, sometimes called “Riyadh’s Vietnam.” Hezbollah, a Western diplomat said, had only about 50 fighters in Yemen, with Iran playing a much larger role in training and aiding the Houthi insurgents there.

 

I have a feeling that War in Yemen has started to bite Saudis and it is biting so much that they are doing stuff without collaborating with Americans.

Turkey is simply telling America, No matter what, Trump can not go against Turks else they will simply make the life very uncomforatble

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

 

Also, It was MBS last year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-saad-hariri-mohammed-bin-salman-lebanon.html

 

I have a feeling that War in Yemen has started to bite Saudis and it is biting so much that they are doing stuff without collaborating with Americans.

Turkey is simply telling America, No matter what, Trump can not go against Turks else they will simply make the life very uncomforatble

 

Turkey has an immunity-shield that Saudi does not and are exploiting it: Its part of NATO and knows it has nothing to fear militarily from the US because NATO charter prohibits any military action against a NATO member.

 

[mishra]

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45949742

 

And then

 

https://www.ft.com/content/0f325748-d68b-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8

 

[Muloghonto]

its cute that the Saudis think their massive oil money will make them the top dogs of the middle east, but no. In reality, the ME has had two top dogs for the last 2000 years : a power based in the western Iranian plateau ( ie, Iran) and a power based in Constantinople/Istanbul- ie, Turkey. 

Saudis have more money than these two combined, but being a great power is more than money. Iran is far superior to Saudi in technical and self-sufficiency aspects. Iran's government is also far more consolidated, where the military-religious nexus are totally embedded in the system. In Saudi Arabia, its the Royal family that holds everything together - eliminate those 1000 men and the entire country will fall apart in days. 

Furthermore, Iran has the cultural conciousness required to build a great civilization. When the movie 300 came out, Iran was in uproar over how badly it portrayed Xerxes - a pleasant surprise to see a muslim nation, nevermind a hardline muslim nation, that cares so much and takes pride in its non-Islamic history. You will never see a Pakistani or a Bangladeshi losing sleep over insults to their great kings from pre-Islamic era.