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4 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Kohli was MAN OF THE SERIES in two back to back t20 world cups. Scored in 2013 CT when it mattered the most. 2017 CT, both were good/bad. Its only 2015wc in which Rohit outperformed Kohli. 

Yaar, Kohli is god in test too. But its about odis, not t20s. If MoM and MoS were fair, Gambhir should have got MoM in 2011 odi world Cup. Dhoni and his Corporate stooges nicked it from him

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3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Kohli was MAN OF THE SERIES in two back to back t20 world cups. Scored in 2013 CT when it mattered the most. 2017 CT, both were good/bad. Its only 2015wc in which Rohit outperformed Kohli. 

CTs & WC both were good. Kohli was on other level in 2016 wc. 2014 I remember kohli performing great and rohit having few good performance. But again this is odi thread.

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39 minutes ago, Adi BB said:

Against top class bowling line up on a relatively tough pitch , this is the order of trust:

kohli

dhawan

rohit 

 

As long as Dawan and Rohit are batting, Match is in India's bag.

If Dhawan  gets out, Rohit is batting (Kohli is out or not doesnt matter), I allways feel, he will take us home.

If Rohit is out, Dhawan and Kohli are batting, I allways feel match is in bag.

If Rohit and Kohli , both are out, Dhawan is batting, I feel game is not lost.

If Rohit and Dhawan are out early, I feel game is not lost. Occasionally i feel Kohli will take us home.

 

Thats how I feel. No matter what. May be I dont watch too many JAMODIs

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3 minutes ago, Nikola said:

CTs & WC both were good. Kohli was on other level in 2016 wc. 2014 I remember kohli performing great and rohit having few good performance. But again this is odi thread.

In ODIs, Kohli has done well everywhere. Rohit averages, what 20?, in SA. Kohli played two of the greatest knocks played by an Indian in ODIs (133 in Hobart and 183 against Pakistan). Has Rohit played any such knock? 

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12 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

In ODIs, Kohli has done well everywhere. Rohit averages, what 20?, in SA. Kohli played two of the greatest knocks played by an Indian in ODIs (133 in Hobart and 183 against Pakistan). Has Rohit played any such knock? 

Rohit has scored 138 vs Aus in MCG where there was bit help for pacers. Starc was on fire got 6 fer too. (Came in 2015 Tri Series where all indian batsman were flop) - Scorecard

 

Other knock of 150 vs SA. This Came while chasing where pitch got slower and slower as game went on. Batsman were struggling to time and Amla, Dhoni said so in press conference. India Lost that match by just 5 runs. - Scorecard

 

His Knock of 137 vs BAN. This knock is very underrated from him. We were around 110-115 in 30 overs and Dhawan, Kohli & Rahane went quickly. Same Bangladesh side knocked England out of Worldcup and could have done against us in Quarter-Final but rohit played great knock. - Scorecard 

 

In Semi finials got real beauty from Johnson in else he was looking settled to score big

 

Rohit has played many elegant knocks other than this & no one can forget 3 double hundreds. Idk about others but i will even pay to watch him when he is in full flow. Great Entertainer for cricket lover.

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2 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Rohit has scored 138 vs Aus in MCG where there was bit help for pacers. Starc was on fire got 6 fer too. (Came in 2015 Tri Series where all indian batsman were flop) - Scorecard

 

Other knock of 150 vs SA. This Came while chasing where pitch got slower and slower as game went on. Batsman were struggling to time and Amla, Dhoni said so in press conference. India Lost that match by just 5 runs. - Scorecard

 

His Knock of 137 vs BAN. This knock is very underrated from him. We were around 110-115 in 30 overs and Dhawan, Kohli & Rahane went quickly. Same Bangladesh side knocked england out of worldcup and could have done against india in Quarter-Final. Got real beauty from Johnson in semi final else could have scored big in semi final too. - Scorecard

 

Rohit has played many elegant knocks other than this & no one can forget 3 double hundreds. Idk about others but i will even pay to watch him when he is in full flow. Great Entertainer for cricket lover.

Kohli played many of such knocks. Just in recent SA series alone, his 160* was better than all above innings. But still nothing beats his 133* and 183. Agree with that knock in QF against Bangladesh. Watched the match live, we would have lost the match if not for his innings. 

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3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Kohli played many of such knocks. Just in recent SA series alone, his 160* was better than all above innings. But still nothing beats his 133* and 183. Agree with that knock in QF against Bangladesh. Watched the match live, we would have lost the match if not for his innings. 

I wasn't comparing with kohli but saying he has played knocks against good attacks when wickets were falling from other end & when there was pressure.

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8 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Most of them are against minnows. 

He can only perform when given opportunity. Against minnows

Kohli v Pakistan     2009-2017     12     459     183     45.90     2     0     -     -     0     7     0     -     view innings
Rayudu v Pakistan     2014-2018     3     101     58     101.00     0     0     -     -     0     0     0     -

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5 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

So? Is Adam Voges better than Smith/Kohli/Sachin/Lara? 

Why, Bradman is better than Sachin. chk the stats above. Rayudu more than double the average in pressure game.

So either stop relying on stats or use the  stats wholely. Why pick and choose

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9 minutes ago, mishra said:

Why, Bradman is better than Sachin. chk the stats above. Rayudu more than double the average in pressure game.

So either stop relying on stats or use the  stats wholely. Why pick and choose

Oh..... OK gud nyt! 

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3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Oh..... OK gud nyt! 

No, You still didnt get it. Calling opponent minnow, or FTB , or so and so doesnt mean Kohli didnt play against the same minnows or same tracks. Averages in odis when you have a top order of Rohit and Dhawan will never give real picture.

Very rarely number 3 is tested. And since Kohli is such a GOAT, number 4 will never be needed. Using average as criteria means nothing in real scenario

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2 hours ago, Nikola said:

Rohit has scored 138 vs Aus in MCG where there was bit help for pacers. Starc was on fire got 6 fer too. (Came in 2015 Tri Series where all indian batsman were flop) - Scorecard

 

Other knock of 150 vs SA. This Came while chasing where pitch got slower and slower as game went on. Batsman were struggling to time and Amla, Dhoni said so in press conference. India Lost that match by just 5 runs. - Scorecard

 

His Knock of 137 vs BAN. This knock is very underrated from him. We were around 110-115 in 30 overs and Dhawan, Kohli & Rahane went quickly. Same Bangladesh side knocked England out of Worldcup and could have done against us in Quarter-Final but rohit played great knock. - Scorecard 

 

In Semi finials got real beauty from Johnson in else he was looking settled to score big

 

Rohit has played many elegant knocks other than this & no one can forget 3 double hundreds. Idk about others but i will even pay to watch him when he is in full flow. Great Entertainer for cricket lover.

That's such a sad little list for an opener who gets the most opportunities to get big scores and make an impact, Infact we lost 2 of the 3 matches you listed? 

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

As long as Dawan and Rohit are batting, Match is in India's bag.

If Dhawan  gets out, Rohit is batting (Kohli is out or not doesnt matter), I allways feel, he will take us home.

If Rohit is out, Dhawan and Kohli are batting, I allways feel match is in bag.

If Rohit and Kohli , both are out, Dhawan is batting, I feel game is not lost.

If Rohit and Dhawan are out early, I feel game is not lost. Occasionally i feel Kohli will take us home.

 

Thats how I feel. No matter what. May be I dont watch too many JAMODIs

Are you serious about this? Rohit taking us home? 

When has this happened? 

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But Kohli Too Struggles In Imp Matches.

I can list over a dozen matches which India would have lost if not for Virat, this against good quality teams. Can't believe we are comparing him to a  guy who rarely shows up when it gets tough is compared to him. 

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4 hours ago, jusarrived said:

I can list over a dozen matches which India would have lost if not for Virat, this against good quality teams. Can't believe we are comparing him to a  guy who rarely shows up when it gets tough is compared to him. 

Please list those matches.

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10 hours ago, Nikola said:

Obviously Kohli is already ODI Goat.

 

But for the thread here are stats of both in last 5 years.

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In Odis 95% pitches are flat so don't tell rohit has scored on flat roads while kohli has scored on green tops (don't mix test format here). The Failure in odis for rohit has been in south africa. He has done well everywhere but again those were pretty flat decks and he should have scored one more century (I feel his test performance affected his odi performance & confidence). Other than that has nothing to prove in odis. He has scored minimum one century in all last 9 series. For rohit to become great in odis he will have to play great knock in worldcup.

 

For Kohli i don't think he has anything to prove imo already considered as great batsman in all formats. 

Kohli too is yet to play a great knock in WC.

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9 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Kohli has that knock in 2013 CT and 2016 World T20. Rohit has the knock in 2007 T20 final where dhoni almost screwed us and the 2015 WC QF.

his runs against SA in 2007 RT20 were vital as well.

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Virat is closing in on being the greatest ever (not one of the greatest) in ODIs if he wins Ind the next world cup or plays a memorable knock in crucial encounter like Smith did for Aus in WC 2015.

In so far as this comparison goes, only point where Rohit scores over Virat is going into beast mode after a 100.The sixes he churns out with consummate ease is unbelievable at times, however like many others what gets on my nerve sometimes is slow approach upfront in big chases, which can be quite damaging if others dont play at good pace and even though he has become consistent now but still i dont trust him to deliver in crucial situations. 

To sum up, Rohit has certainly turned a corner in recent times, however Virat is at the summit where he is comparable to none in this format

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The Virat-Rohit Combo: India’s He-Man and Super-Man in ODI Cricket

In any sport, it is rare to find two of the world’s best of any period to be playing together in the same team at the same time. It is even rarer that they will form a world-beating partnership that will dominate that period.
 

Richards and Lloyd, Richards and Greenidge, Ponting and Gilchrist, Ponting and Hayden, Tendulkar and Ganguly, Dhoni and Yuvraj Singh and De Villiers and Amla – are some of the very best in the history of ODI cricket.

 

But there is another pair – whose feats and achievements – eclipse even the greats mentioned above.

The Virat Kohli-Rohit Sharma partnership is amongst the greatest in the history of ODI cricket. And on Sunday night, the packed crowd at Guwahati and a TV audience of millions got another glimpse at just how special their pairing is when they wear coloured clothes for India.

 

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Let us try and dig deeper.

Kohli-Sharma average 65.51 in ODI cricket. Only one pair (minimum 25 innings and 750 runs together) has a better batting average. Amla-De Villiers average 72.34. But the Indian duo already aggregate 3931 runs together and have 15 hundred partnerships. And are at the peak of their prowess. De Villiers has retired from international cricket. So, the Amla-De Villiers pair won’t be adding any further to the 3111 runs and 12 century partnerships.

 

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CONTRIBUTION IN WINNING MATCHES

If we see their contribution in winning matches, no pair in ODI history averages more per wicket than Kohli-Sharma (84.05). This shows their relevance and importance in India’s success in recent years.

Amla-De Villiers average 77.97 and are at number two. They are followed by De Villiers-Duminy (76.44), Dhoni-Raina (74.54) and Inzamam-Anwar (73.74).

Kohli-Sharma score these runs at 6.20 runs per over. No contemporary pair (except Dhoni-Raina who score at 6.5) has a better strike rate in winning matches. Overall, nine pairs have a higher strike rate in winning matches in ODI history.

It is not surprising that India has the best win-loss ratio in ODI cricket in the last 5 years. They have won 71 and lost 36 matches.

In terms of bilateral series, India won 16 and lost just 6 in this period.

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APPETITE FOR BIG RUNS

Kohli and Sharma have five double hundred partnerships in ODI cricket.
No pair in history has more.
Kohli-Gambhir, Ganguly-Tendulkar and Jayawardene-Tharanga have 3 each.
Kohli-Sharma also have 11 scores of 150-plus in just 64 ODI innings together.
Only Tendulkar-Ganguly had more – 12 – but in 176 innings!

 

This is a mind-boggling statistic. It shows that once they are set, they don’t just score big but the numbers assume gigantic proportions.

Dilshan-Sangakkara have seven 150-plus scores in 108 innings while Amla-Kock, Dravid-Tendulkar and Gibbs-Smith have 6 each in 85, 98 and 84 innings respectively.

Kohli-Sharma have scored hundreds in the same ODI on 4 occasions – the joint-second most along with Amla-Kock and Tendulkar-Ganguly. Amla-De Villiers have done this on five instances.

Kohli has been involved in twelve 200 plus stands in ODI cricket. Rohit has been a part of seven such stands.

Kohli and Rohit have both at least scored 30 in an ODI on 30 occasions. India has won 22 of these matches – this shows a high positive correlation between their appetite for big runs and India’s victories.

Just for perspective, Tendulkar-Ganguly scored 30 plus each in 54 matches. India won 39 and lost 15. Thus, the win-loss ratio for Kohli-Rohit is better.

 

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Their 100:50 ratio is also the best in ODI cricket history (minimum partnership average 50 and minimum innings together 25) after Gambhir-Kohli (7 hundreds and 4 fifties). The pair have put together 15 hundred plus stands and nine 50 partnerships.

Rohit has three double hundreds in ODI cricket. No batsman has more 150-plus scores in ODI cricket history than the Indian opener (6).

Kohli already has 36 ODI hundreds. Only Tendulkar has more – 49 – but in more than double the number of innings.

 

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DOMINATING THEIR CONTEMPORARIES

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma have, individually been the leading run-scorers in ODI cricket in the last 5 years. Kohli has scored 5115 runs while Sharma has aggregated 4465. No one has scored more hundreds than them in this period (20 and 17 respectively).

Only Kohli (68.20), AB (62.66) and Rohit (62.01) average above 60 in this period.

No batsman has hit more sixes than Rohit (161 in 83 innings) in this period. This means, on an average, he hits almost 2 sixes every time he bats. That is a remarkable feat. It is the best sixes/match ratio by a distance.

Contrast this to Kohli who likes to hit more boundaries. Only Dhawan (502) has hit more fours than Kohli (472) in this period. Kohli’s boundary/innings ratio is also amongst the best in this period.

Three of the five highest partnership averages in the last 5 years involve Kohli. Kohli-Dhawan average 71.35. They are closely followed by Kohli-Sharma (71.11) and Kohli-Rahane (66.16).

No pair average more in winning matches in this period than Kohli-Sharma (93.4).

The pair have 10 hundred stands in this period in just 37 innings. Taylor-Williamson and Amla-Kock also have 10 each but in 42 and 82 innings respectively.

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THE BEST OPENER-NUMBER 3 PAIR IN ODI CRICKET HISTORY

 

No opener-Number 3 have scored more runs than Kohli-Sharma (2233) in the last five years. In other words no pair has scored more runs for the second wicket.

No one averages more per partnership (minimum 15 innings) than Kohli-Sharma (72.03).

There are some all-time great combinations who are eclipsed by Kohli-Sharma.

Greenidge-Haynes (61.45), Ponting-Watson (58.29), Dilshan-Sangakkara (56.98), Smith-Warner (53.7), Hayden-Ponting (53.07), Jones-Marsh (48.36), Kallis-Smith (47.14), Gilchrist-Ponting (45.7) and Guptill-Williamson (43.41) to name a few.

Only Hales-Root have scored faster (6.09 every six balls) compared to Kohli-Sharma (6.08).

Only two pairs –Kohli-Sharma and Dishan-Sangakkara have put together 9 hundred plus stands in this period for the second-wicket.

Kohli-Sharma partnership for the second-wicket averages 82.32 in matches India has won. Only one pair fares better in their team’s victory– Ganguly-Dravid (87.7)

But it gets better.

There are 34 Opener-Number 3 partnerships in ODI cricket history who have batted together in at least 25 innings.

It is the duo of Kohli-Sharma who average the most (67.55) for the second wicket in ODI cricket history.

They score their runs at a strike rate of 99 per hundred balls. It is the second-best scoring rate for the second-wicket only after Ponting-Watson (101).

Only Dilshan-Sangakkara have more hundred plus stands (19). Hayden-Ponting also have 10 but in 29 more matches.

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Kohli and Sharma feed off each other. They have mutual respect and admiration for each other on the field and are great friends off it – this bonhomie between them gets translated onto the field.

Kohli has often stated that he regards Rohit as a more talented batsman. He loves to watch him bat from the non-striker’s end and is always in complete awe of the Indian opener – his timing, elegance and shot-making ability. Rohit, on the other hand has praised Kohli for his attacking and aggressive captaincy and his ruthless and clinical efficiency and consistency in the format.

There is also a pattern to their batting partnership. More often than not one of them assumes the role of the aggressor and the other plays second fiddle and the role of the anchor – till his partner is dismissed – thereafter changing gears himself. Usually, Rohit has gone after the bowling initially with Kohli anchoring the innings. However, these roles were reversed in Guwahati.

It is also not a secret that the duo hardly converse while batting together in the middle. This is because of the understanding they have of each other’s games and the confidence in each other’s ability. They are both excellent readers of the game and the situation. And they both love to bat and score big runs.

Rohit feels assured at the crease with the captain and the best batsman in the team at the other end. He can play his natural game and go after the bowling.

Kohli does not feel the pressure to up the ante with Rohit at the other end. He can play the role of the anchor and accelerate later.

Rohit is 31 while Kohli is just 29. With at least 4-5 years of their cricketing partnership still left, one can only wonder how many more records will be broken by the He-Man and Super-Man of India’s batting.

 

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/the-virat-rohit-combo-indias-he-man-and-super-man-in-odi-cricket-1916539.html

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9 hours ago, jusarrived said:

I can list over a dozen matches which India would have lost if not for Virat, this against good quality teams. Can't believe we are comparing him to a  guy who rarely shows up when it gets tough is compared to him. 

Before the south africa series which match kohli won with bat against aus, england or new zealand in their home ground? None i guess. Both were scoring runs in 2016 Aus tour and both were unable to score match winning ton. Rohit had 99 odd in last match which pandey won us. Please post those dozen of matches for me.

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9 hours ago, jusarrived said:

That's such a sad little list for an opener who gets the most opportunities to get big scores and make an impact, Infact we lost 2 of the 3 matches you listed? 

No, I posted few of his top knocks. Loosing doesn't mean those weren't good knocks? sad little List? what? he already has 6 150+ scores. 20 odi centuries. Will finish with 12 - 15 more in odis. He will be considered as one of the indian great along with ganguly, dravid & sehwag in odis.

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43 minutes ago, Nikola said:

 

Before the south africa series which match kohli won with bat against aus, england or new zealand in their home ground? None i guess. Both were scoring runs in 2016 Aus tour and both were unable to score match winning ton. Rohit had 99 odd in last match which pandey won us. Please post those dozen of matches for me.

We lost the 2016 aus tour mainly because of our bowlers. They weren't taking wickets and leaking runs aplenty.

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6 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Please list those matches.

KOHLI:

 

118 against Australia before 2011wc

105 against NZ 

133 in Hobart 

183 against Pakistan 

105 in Sri Lanka 

128 in Sri Lanka 

107 against Pakistan 

138 against South Africa at home 

154 vs NZ at home 

110 in South Africa 

160 in South Africa 

 

*Excluded matches against weaker teams(WI, BAN, SL(post Malinga), ZIM). 

*Excluded matches in which any other player also made a hundred). 

*Excluded matches India lost. 

*Excluded dead rubbers. 

 

Now let's look at ROHIT:

 

101 in Sri Lanka in 2010.

209 against Australia 

137 in England 2018.

 

So Kohli's 11 vs Rohits's 3.

 

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31 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

KOHLI:

 

118 against Australia before 2011wc

105 against NZ 

133 in Hobart 

183 against Pakistan 

105 in Sri Lanka 

128 in Sri Lanka 

 107 against Pakistan 

138 against South Africa at home 

154 vs NZ at home 

110 in South Africa 

160 in South Africa 

 

*Excluded matches against weaker teams(WI, BAN, SL(post Malinga), ZIM). 

*Excluded matches in which any other player also made a hundred). 

*Excluded matches India lost. 

*Excluded dead rubbers. 

 

Now let's look at ROHIT:

 

101 in Sri Lanka in 2010.

209 against Australia 

137 in England 2018.

  

So Kohli's 11 vs Rohits's 3.

 

Lol this looks troll post picking most innings of kohli and skipping of rohit.

 

I am going to post few imp knocks he played. Yes some came in loss but he did everything that was possible to win in that matches.

 

141 vs Aus 2013

138 vs Aus 2015 

137 vs BAN Quarter Final 2015 WC (way more imp than kohli's 107 vs pak)

150 vs SA 2015

171 vs Aus 2015

99 vs Aus (Match Winning)

124 vs SL (were 4-61 when Dananjaya was on fire while chasing 217)

125 vs Aus 2017 (only ton from india in series + highest scorer)

115 vs SA 2018

137 vs Eng (only ton from indian side in series)

 

There are many other matches i didn't include like recent pak century, 

I know why you filtered only wins, removed matches where other players scored 100, and excluded dead rubber runs.

 

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30 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

KOHLI:

 

118 against Australia before 2011wc

105 against NZ 

133 in Hobart 

183 against Pakistan 

105 in Sri Lanka 

128 in Sri Lanka 

107 against Pakistan 

138 against South Africa at home 

154 vs NZ at home 

110 in South Africa 

160 in South Africa 

 

*Excluded matches against weaker teams(WI, BAN, SL(post Malinga), ZIM). 

*Excluded matches in which any other player also made a hundred). 

*Excluded matches India lost. 

*Excluded dead rubbers. 

 

Now let's look at ROHIT:

 

101 in Sri Lanka in 2010.

209 against Australia 

137 in England 2018.

 

So Kohli's 11 vs Rohits's 3.

 

Which ones of those 11 come under "when it gets tough"?

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10 minutes ago, Nikola said:

 

Lol this looks troll post picking most innings of kohli and skipping of rohit.

 

I am going to post few imp knocks he played. Yes some came in loss but he did everything that was possible to win in that matches.

 

141 vs Aus 2013( KOHLI'S 50-BALL 100 WAS EQUALLY IMPORTANT) 

138 vs Aus 2015 (LOST CAUSE

137 vs BAN Quarter Final 2015 WC (way more imp than kohli's 107 vs pak)(YES VERY GOOD KNOCK) 

150 vs SA 2015(LOST

171 vs Aus 2015(LOST

99 vs Aus (Match Winning)(PANDEY WON THE GAME) 

124 vs SL (were 4-61 when Dananjaya was on fire while chasing 217)(DEAD RUBBER) 

125 vs Aus 2017 (only ton from india in series + highest scorer)(DEAD RUBBER

115 vs SA 2018(DEAD RUBBER

137 vs Eng (only ton from indian side in series)(I LISTED THIS ALREADY

 

There are many other matches i didn't include like recent pak century, 

I know why you filtered only wins, removed matches where other players scored 100, and excluded dead rubber runs.

 

I used same filter for both players and the results are there for you all. If you remove that filter, Kohli will have another dozen of matches when he won games for India. Not much to discuss here. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

We are comparing Kohli with Rohit here and matches where only one player made significant contribution to the win. 

Everyone knows there is big gap between kohli and rohit but you are just underrating rohit for his performance in odis.

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16 hours ago, UnknownGenius said:

Yes that's why MSD is an all time ODI great up there with Virat as India's two best ever ODI batsman of all time. because batting at #6 etc is very difficult. 

 

MSD is the biggest FTB, out of 10-11 century which he hits none were outside asia....he got lot of opportunity to show his worth in wc -15 ct-13, ct-17 numerous t 20 wc but he choose to play selfish inning.

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19 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

How does that translates to "when it gets tough"?

This thread is about Rohit vs Kohli.... Anyway almost all innings I listed out were made in difficult situations...be it Hobart knock when we needed to chase it inside 40 overs or 183 vs Pakistan which was a must win match after losing to Bangladesh or a masterclass innings in 4th ODI against SA at home on a slow pitch or 150 odd against NZ chasing 320+ or his 3 hundreds in South Africa which helped us win our FIRST series over there.... 

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