ODIS: Rohit vs Kohli

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Most of them are against minnows. 

He can only perform when given opportunity. Against minnows

Kohli v Pakistan     2009-2017     12     459     183     45.90     2     0     -     -     0     7     0     -     view innings
Rayudu v Pakistan     2014-2018     3     101     58     101.00     0     0     -     -     0     0     0     -

Edited October 22, 2018 by mishra

[Jamadagni]

Just now, mishra said:

He can only perform when given opportunity

So? Is Adam Voges better than Smith/Kohli/Sachin/Lara? 

[mishra]

5 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

So? Is Adam Voges better than Smith/Kohli/Sachin/Lara? 

Why, Bradman is better than Sachin. chk the stats above. Rayudu more than double the average in pressure game.

So either stop relying on stats or use the  stats wholely. Why pick and choose

Edited October 22, 2018 by mishra

[Jamadagni]

9 minutes ago, mishra said:

Why, Bradman is better than Sachin. chk the stats above. Rayudu more than double the average in pressure game.

So either stop relying on stats or use the  stats wholely. Why pick and choose

Oh..... OK gud nyt! 

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Oh..... OK gud nyt! 

No, You still didnt get it. Calling opponent minnow, or FTB , or so and so doesnt mean Kohli didnt play against the same minnows or same tracks. Averages in odis when you have a top order of Rohit and Dhawan will never give real picture.

Very rarely number 3 is tested. And since Kohli is such a GOAT, number 4 will never be needed. Using average as criteria means nothing in real scenario

[jusarrived]

I can list over a dozen matches which India would have lost if not for Virat, this against good quality teams. Can't believe we are comparing him to a  guy who rarely shows up when it gets tough is compared to him. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by jusarrived

[jusarrived]

2 hours ago, Nikola said:

Rohit has scored 138 vs Aus in MCG where there was bit help for pacers. Starc was on fire got 6 fer too. (Came in 2015 Tri Series where all indian batsman were flop) - Scorecard

 

Other knock of 150 vs SA. This Came while chasing where pitch got slower and slower as game went on. Batsman were struggling to time and Amla, Dhoni said so in press conference. India Lost that match by just 5 runs. - Scorecard

 

His Knock of 137 vs BAN. This knock is very underrated from him. We were around 110-115 in 30 overs and Dhawan, Kohli & Rahane went quickly. Same Bangladesh side knocked England out of Worldcup and could have done against us in Quarter-Final but rohit played great knock. - Scorecard 

 

In Semi finials got real beauty from Johnson in else he was looking settled to score big

 

Rohit has played many elegant knocks other than this & no one can forget 3 double hundreds. Idk about others but i will even pay to watch him when he is in full flow. Great Entertainer for cricket lover.

That's such a sad little list for an opener who gets the most opportunities to get big scores and make an impact, Infact we lost 2 of the 3 matches you listed? 

[jusarrived]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

As long as Dawan and Rohit are batting, Match is in India's bag.

If Dhawan  gets out, Rohit is batting (Kohli is out or not doesnt matter), I allways feel, he will take us home.

If Rohit is out, Dhawan and Kohli are batting, I allways feel match is in bag.

If Rohit and Kohli , both are out, Dhawan is batting, I feel game is not lost.

If Rohit and Dhawan are out early, I feel game is not lost. Occasionally i feel Kohli will take us home.

 

Thats how I feel. No matter what. May be I dont watch too many JAMODIs

Are you serious about this? Rohit taking us home? 

When has this happened? 

[CG]

But Kohli Too Struggles In Imp Matches.

I can list over a dozen matches which India would have lost if not for Virat, this against good quality teams. Can't believe we are comparing him to a  guy who rarely shows up when it gets tough is compared to him. 

[CG]

Rohit Performances in WC T20 2007 Is Underrated.His contribution in Semifinal Against AUS and Final Against Pak Were Vital.

[Trichromatic]

4 hours ago, jusarrived said:

I can list over a dozen matches which India would have lost if not for Virat, this against good quality teams. Can't believe we are comparing him to a  guy who rarely shows up when it gets tough is compared to him. 

Please list those matches.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Nikola said:

Obviously Kohli is already ODI Goat.

 

But for the thread here are stats of both in last 5 years.

 

In Odis 95% pitches are flat so don't tell rohit has scored on flat roads while kohli has scored on green tops (don't mix test format here). The Failure in odis for rohit has been in south africa. He has done well everywhere but again those were pretty flat decks and he should have scored one more century (I feel his test performance affected his odi performance & confidence). Other than that has nothing to prove in odis. He has scored minimum one century in all last 9 series. For rohit to become great in odis he will have to play great knock in worldcup.

 

For Kohli i don't think he has anything to prove imo already considered as great batsman in all formats. 

Kohli too is yet to play a great knock in WC.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Kohli has that knock in 2013 CT and 2016 World T20. Rohit has the knock in 2007 T20 final where dhoni almost screwed us and the 2015 WC QF.

his runs against SA in 2007 RT20 were vital as well.

[SK_IH]

Virat is closing in on being the greatest ever (not one of the greatest) in ODIs if he wins Ind the next world cup or plays a memorable knock in crucial encounter like Smith did for Aus in WC 2015.

In so far as this comparison goes, only point where Rohit scores over Virat is going into beast mode after a 100.The sixes he churns out with consummate ease is unbelievable at times, however like many others what gets on my nerve sometimes is slow approach upfront in big chases, which can be quite damaging if others dont play at good pace and even though he has become consistent now but still i dont trust him to deliver in crucial situations. 

To sum up, Rohit has certainly turned a corner in recent times, however Virat is at the summit where he is comparable to none in this format

[Stan AF]

 

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/west-indies-in-india/are-virat-kohli-rohit-sharma-the-greatest-odi-pair-today/articleshow/66325586.cms

[Stan AF]

The Virat-Rohit Combo: India’s He-Man and Super-Man in ODI Cricket

In any sport, it is rare to find two of the world’s best of any period to be playing together in the same team at the same time. It is even rarer that they will form a world-beating partnership that will dominate that period.
 

Richards and Lloyd, Richards and Greenidge, Ponting and Gilchrist, Ponting and Hayden, Tendulkar and Ganguly, Dhoni and Yuvraj Singh and De Villiers and Amla – are some of the very best in the history of ODI cricket.

 

But there is another pair – whose feats and achievements – eclipse even the greats mentioned above.

The Virat Kohli-Rohit Sharma partnership is amongst the greatest in the history of ODI cricket. And on Sunday night, the packed crowd at Guwahati and a TV audience of millions got another glimpse at just how special their pairing is when they wear coloured clothes for India.

 

[Stan AF]

Let us try and dig deeper.

Kohli-Sharma average 65.51 in ODI cricket. Only one pair (minimum 25 innings and 750 runs together) has a better batting average. Amla-De Villiers average 72.34. But the Indian duo already aggregate 3931 runs together and have 15 hundred partnerships. And are at the peak of their prowess. De Villiers has retired from international cricket. So, the Amla-De Villiers pair won’t be adding any further to the 3111 runs and 12 century partnerships.

 

 

CONTRIBUTION IN WINNING MATCHES

If we see their contribution in winning matches, no pair in ODI history averages more per wicket than Kohli-Sharma (84.05). This shows their relevance and importance in India’s success in recent years.

Amla-De Villiers average 77.97 and are at number two. They are followed by De Villiers-Duminy (76.44), Dhoni-Raina (74.54) and Inzamam-Anwar (73.74).

Kohli-Sharma score these runs at 6.20 runs per over. No contemporary pair (except Dhoni-Raina who score at 6.5) has a better strike rate in winning matches. Overall, nine pairs have a higher strike rate in winning matches in ODI history.

It is not surprising that India has the best win-loss ratio in ODI cricket in the last 5 years. They have won 71 and lost 36 matches.

In terms of bilateral series, India won 16 and lost just 6 in this period.

[Stan AF]

APPETITE FOR BIG RUNS

Kohli and Sharma have five double hundred partnerships in ODI cricket.
No pair in history has more.
Kohli-Gambhir, Ganguly-Tendulkar and Jayawardene-Tharanga have 3 each.
Kohli-Sharma also have 11 scores of 150-plus in just 64 ODI innings together.
Only Tendulkar-Ganguly had more – 12 – but in 176 innings!

 

This is a mind-boggling statistic. It shows that once they are set, they don’t just score big but the numbers assume gigantic proportions.

Dilshan-Sangakkara have seven 150-plus scores in 108 innings while Amla-Kock, Dravid-Tendulkar and Gibbs-Smith have 6 each in 85, 98 and 84 innings respectively.

Kohli-Sharma have scored hundreds in the same ODI on 4 occasions – the joint-second most along with Amla-Kock and Tendulkar-Ganguly. Amla-De Villiers have done this on five instances.

Kohli has been involved in twelve 200 plus stands in ODI cricket. Rohit has been a part of seven such stands.

Kohli and Rohit have both at least scored 30 in an ODI on 30 occasions. India has won 22 of these matches – this shows a high positive correlation between their appetite for big runs and India’s victories.

Just for perspective, Tendulkar-Ganguly scored 30 plus each in 54 matches. India won 39 and lost 15. Thus, the win-loss ratio for Kohli-Rohit is better.

 

[Stan AF]

Their 100:50 ratio is also the best in ODI cricket history (minimum partnership average 50 and minimum innings together 25) after Gambhir-Kohli (7 hundreds and 4 fifties). The pair have put together 15 hundred plus stands and nine 50 partnerships.

Rohit has three double hundreds in ODI cricket. No batsman has more 150-plus scores in ODI cricket history than the Indian opener (6).

Kohli already has 36 ODI hundreds. Only Tendulkar has more – 49 – but in more than double the number of innings.

 

 

DOMINATING THEIR CONTEMPORARIES

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma have, individually been the leading run-scorers in ODI cricket in the last 5 years. Kohli has scored 5115 runs while Sharma has aggregated 4465. No one has scored more hundreds than them in this period (20 and 17 respectively).

Only Kohli (68.20), AB (62.66) and Rohit (62.01) average above 60 in this period.

No batsman has hit more sixes than Rohit (161 in 83 innings) in this period. This means, on an average, he hits almost 2 sixes every time he bats. That is a remarkable feat. It is the best sixes/match ratio by a distance.

Contrast this to Kohli who likes to hit more boundaries. Only Dhawan (502) has hit more fours than Kohli (472) in this period. Kohli’s boundary/innings ratio is also amongst the best in this period.

Three of the five highest partnership averages in the last 5 years involve Kohli. Kohli-Dhawan average 71.35. They are closely followed by Kohli-Sharma (71.11) and Kohli-Rahane (66.16).

No pair average more in winning matches in this period than Kohli-Sharma (93.4).

The pair have 10 hundred stands in this period in just 37 innings. Taylor-Williamson and Amla-Kock also have 10 each but in 42 and 82 innings respectively.

[Stan AF]

THE BEST OPENER-NUMBER 3 PAIR IN ODI CRICKET HISTORY

 

No opener-Number 3 have scored more runs than Kohli-Sharma (2233) in the last five years. In other words no pair has scored more runs for the second wicket.

No one averages more per partnership (minimum 15 innings) than Kohli-Sharma (72.03).

There are some all-time great combinations who are eclipsed by Kohli-Sharma.

Greenidge-Haynes (61.45), Ponting-Watson (58.29), Dilshan-Sangakkara (56.98), Smith-Warner (53.7), Hayden-Ponting (53.07), Jones-Marsh (48.36), Kallis-Smith (47.14), Gilchrist-Ponting (45.7) and Guptill-Williamson (43.41) to name a few.

Only Hales-Root have scored faster (6.09 every six balls) compared to Kohli-Sharma (6.08).

Only two pairs –Kohli-Sharma and Dishan-Sangakkara have put together 9 hundred plus stands in this period for the second-wicket.

Kohli-Sharma partnership for the second-wicket averages 82.32 in matches India has won. Only one pair fares better in their team’s victory– Ganguly-Dravid (87.7)

But it gets better.

There are 34 Opener-Number 3 partnerships in ODI cricket history who have batted together in at least 25 innings.

It is the duo of Kohli-Sharma who average the most (67.55) for the second wicket in ODI cricket history.

They score their runs at a strike rate of 99 per hundred balls. It is the second-best scoring rate for the second-wicket only after Ponting-Watson (101).

Only Dilshan-Sangakkara have more hundred plus stands (19). Hayden-Ponting also have 10 but in 29 more matches.