Khaleel Ahmed needs to go back to bowling 138 kph to 148 kph ... like he was doing in early 2018

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Maybe, leave it to the bowler to decide how confident he's about executing those skills at high pace in international Spes? Who are we to judge?

 

Fan following in sports exist because fans are taking interest.   The day fans stop judging players will be the day that sport has effectively died in terms of popularity.

 

Moreover, many young players' careers have ended due to wrong choices ... so, it is not as if their choices are infallible.

 

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He's already  shown more skills in int'l cricket than he did in domestic cricket where all he had was raw pace with limited movement.

 

He was showing a lot of skills at domestic cricket too.  The reason why he got selected despite having such limited experience.

 

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Remember we are talking about a young bowler with hardly any FC experience under his belt. So better to be patient with him and let him grow into his int'l career

 

I am not asking for his removal.  I am quite impressed with his skills ... and want him to go back to his normal speed within reasonable time so that he becomes really good.  With the WC  not far away, we cannot affort to have 2 medium pacers on absolute flat tracks of England.

 

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and not go down the path of Varun Aaron who has taken 6-7 years to finally learn moving the ball regularly. I'm not saying he should not bowl fast, just saying let him get there step by step.

 

Why is a failed international bowler your go to example  ?   What about Bumrah  ?

[mishra]

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Let me put it simply.  It is not really optional for a pacer to bowl his stock deliveries significantly slower if everything is ok.  A huge drop in speeds of stock deliveries is a sign of something going wrong.

Just to add, It is also incorrect that bowling slower, increases line length and accuracy. A mile or 2 may but any more any you may risk loosing the rythm to bowl accurately.

 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

Just to add, It is also incorrect that bowling slower, increases line length and accuracy. A mile or 2 may but any more any you may risk loosing the rythm to bowl accurately.

 

 

Exactly   !

 

A pacer is  optimally accurate at his normal speed range.  Trying to bowl significantly slower or significantly quicker, both messes with accuracy as it affects rhythm.

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[ShoonyaSifar]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Fan following in sports exist because fans are taking interest.   The day fans stop judging players will be the day that sport has effectively died in terms of popularity.

 

Moreover, many young players' careers have ended due to wrong choices ... so, it is not as if their choices are infallible.

 

 

He was showing a lot of skills at domestic cricket too.  The reason why he got selected despite having such limited experience.

 

 

I am not asking for his removal.  I am quite impressed with his skills ... and want him to go back to his normal speed within reasonable time so that he becomes really good.  With the WC  not far away, we cannot affort to have 2 medium pacers on absolute flat tracks of England.

 

 

Why is a failed international bowler your go to example  ?   What about Bumrah  ?

Not the right comparison. Bumrah was an established pacer in domestic circuit, made his FC debut in 2013-14, played 3 seasons for Gujarat with good success picking up nearly 75-80 wickets, plenty of matches for Mumbai Indians in IPL before making his India debut.

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Not the right comparison. Bumrah was an established pacer in domestic circuit, made his FC debut in 2013-14, played 3 seasons for Gujarat with good success picking up nearly 75-80 wickets, plenty of matches for Mumbai Indians in IPL before making his India debut.

 

Neither is Aaron a suitable example.  He focused totally on pace at the beginning if his career without thinking much about his skills.  And his multiple stress fractures did not help his development process either.

 

Why not compare Waqar Younis then  ?

[ShoonyaSifar]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Neither is Aaron a suitable example.  He focused totally on pace at the beginning if his career without thinking much about his skills.  And his multiple stress fractures did not help his development process either.

 

Why not compare Waqar Younis then  ?

Maybe because he is not an Indian.

 

What exactly is your point about Khaleel vis a vis Aron? That he should have gone all out without having enough confidence to execute his skills, played a few matches, got thrashed and be out of contention forever? How exactly does that help? I compared him to Aron to show what can happen when you can't properly execute your skills at pace, which is far more difficult in international cricket than in domestic cricket.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Maybe because he is not an Indian.

 

What has being Indian got to do with bowling at full pace and bowling well, as a pacer without much FC experience   ?    

 

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What exactly is your point about Khaleel vis a vis Aron? That he should have gone all out without having enough confidence to execute his skills, played a few matches, got thrashed and be out of contention forever? How exactly does that help? I compared him to Aron to show what can happen when you can't properly execute your skills at pace, which is far more difficult in international cricket than in domestic cricket.

 

Your assumption,   that a pacer cannot execute his skills at his normal pace,  is as wrong as it gets.  

 

Aaron lacked skills as a rookie pacer ... and would not have bowled any better if he had bowled at 132 k  instead  of 147 k.

 

And Khaleel was still bowling really well in the Asia Cup when he was bowling 133 k to 143 k.  Displayed a wide range of skills at this much higher pace.

 

His reduction in pace is due to some problem he is having ... like a niggle or unintentional change in action.

 

That is the point I am making.

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[Kohlifan]

23 hours ago, express bowling said:

Khaleel Ahmed was bowling 138 kph to 148 kph with bounce in Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy 2017-18 early this year.

 

And was bowling really well when bowling at this pace.  Bowling with skills and not spraying the ball.

 

Picked up 17 wickets from 10 matches in SMA Trophy 2017-18  at an average of only 15.5  and economy rate of only 6.8 while bowling really quickly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now ... he is bowling 126 kph to 136 kph.  It makes no sense converting a genuine fast bowler to a medium pacer.  Especially when that fast bowler was bowling really well.

 

The Team Management and the coaches / mentors who are responsible for this drop of pace by tweaking his action and ball release  ... need to know that he was bowling as quickly as Oshane Thomas not too long back.

 

And take corrective steps.

 

Don't push back Indian pace bowling to the 1980s.

 

Please keep him away fro Dhoni baba, he will return to his normal speed.

BTW he does have history of Injuries.

[express bowling]

There is a possibility of only 2 pacers playing today ...  because it may be a turning track.

 

I hope young Khaleel is one of them even if Bhuvi is fit.

 

The kid deserves to be backed based on his performances and skills displayed.

[Nikhil_cric]

High arm action, long levers and hitting that good length will result in speed gun showing unreliable numbers imo. Sure he maybe slower than he was earlier but I don't think there is much to worry about. He is very accurate mostly since he bowls from close to the stumps. Also there is no need to bowl at full tilt in these meaningless games anyway.

[King Tendulkar]

Better pace today

 

Some even clocked 140

 

Mainly 134 odd

 

More potential on todays showing

[SUMO]

Somehow his deliveries looks pacier than the speed readings. Even 128k deliveries bounces well, batsman leaves/ misses and reaches wk gloves nicely.

[Global.Baba]

6 hours ago, SUMO said:

Somehow his deliveries looks pacier than the speed readings. Even 128k deliveries bounces well, batsman leaves/ misses and reaches wk gloves nicely.

Yes I have noticed that too. His 125-130k looks packer than the 135k deliveries of say someone like Thakur or Kaul. Has a lot more zip.

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, SUMO said:

Somehow his deliveries looks pacier than the speed readings. Even 128k deliveries bounces well, batsman leaves/ misses and reaches wk gloves nicely.

 

2 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Yes I have noticed that too. His 125-130k looks packer than the 135k deliveries of say someone like Thakur or Kaul. Has a lot more zip.

 

Khaleel gets good zip and bounce off the deck.

 

Kaul, Chahar and Shardul do not get this zip and bounce.

[express bowling]

On Monday, November 05, 2018 at 10:51 PM, express bowling said:

 

His reduction in pace is due to some problem he is having ... like a niggle or unintentional change in action.

 

Khaleel admitted in the post match interview that Bharat Arun has been tinkering with his action and working on both his bowling arm and non bowling arm.

 

And this is the reason for his drop in pace.

 

Many a young pacer has been adversely affected by coaches tinkering with their actions.  They may become more injury prone too as their bodies have become used to their original action from a young age.

[mishra]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Khaleel admitted in the post match interview that Bharat Arun has been tinkering with his action and working on both his bowling arm and non bowling arm.

 

And this is the reason for his drop in pace.

 

Many a young pacer has been adversely affected by coaches tinkering with their actions.  They may become more injury prone too as their bodies have become used to their original action from a young age.

At this level, its such a stupid idea to change the action. You are better off without changing the action. What I will say is coach should tell him how to do surprise slower one. Work on grip and resultant swing/trajectory generated. Occasional change in action versus resultant swing/trajectory.

And offcourse, how to keep yourself fit. Like Bhumrah, Anderson, Everyone has their own flawed action and strong muscels

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, mishra said:

At this level, its such a stupid idea to change the action. You are better off without changing the action. What I will say is coach should tell him how to do surprise slower one. Work on grip and resultant swing/trajectory generated. Occasional change in action versus resultant swing/trajectory.

And offcourse, how to keep yourself fit. Like Bhumrah, Anderson, Everyone has their own flawed action and strong muscels

Khaleel already had all the variations before his debut.  he was almost a complete LOI bowler, had pace, had good deceptive slower ones, had good yorkers.  he did not have to change anything.

[express bowling]

30 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Khaleel already had all the variations before his debut.  he was almost a complete LOI bowler, had pace, had good deceptive slower ones, had good yorkers.  he did not have to change anything 

 

Yes.

 

Question is ... why are these changes being made by Bharat Arun  ?

 

There are so many examples of young pacers losing their way or becoming more injury prone due to changes made to their actions.

 

Not good.

 

Even Umesh's action was tinkered with by Arun and he has lost some of his pace and even the accuracy he was getting in early 2017 in the test series against Australia.

[mishra]

^ Could be. Cos in his debut mtch he did exactly what @rkt.india mentioned above

[SUMO]

Bharat Arun ko kuch to karna hai na paisa kis chiz ka le rha.