All Rounders do not exist.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Just one stat cnt be basis of declaring someone a failure

are those 64 run given by a specialist a slap on ur theory that anyone can have a bad day

even jadeja who was a much better bowler was hit for 5 sixes in an over in t20

Even when I show you a trend you start changing the goal posts. Someone can cure cancer and you will still find faults.

[zen]

not much activity here so I guess some folks are still in their caves as Krunal may have done reasonably well

[Global.Baba]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Problem is shankar cnt bat at 7

We are not looking at one side that both pandya are lower order specialist batsman to 

but are they good??

here are the options

 

Shankar- cnt bat at 7 in t20

binny- ho gaya bht

rishi dhawan 

Shivam dube- young....will have to go through this yr domestic n IPL 1st

 

cnt think of any more, even if their are they ll hve to go through domestic n ipl this yr 1st to be noticed

Krunal’s ability to bat at 7 is in an international game is as untested as Shankar or Shivam dubey.

 

On what basis are you saying Krunal is the best thing since sliced bread? Some IPL hackathons were Rana and Valthaty look like world beaters?

[Global.Baba]

Just now, zen said:

not much activity here so I guess some folks are still in their caves as Krunal may have done reasonably well

Got 1 wicket going for only 7 rpo in a low scoring game so yes by his bowling standards almost Shane Warnesque

[zen]

Just now, Global.Baba said:

Got 1 wicket going for only 7 rpo in a low scoring game so yes by his bowling standards almost Shane Warnesque

Good to know! I see that he was as good as Kuldeep, the other spinner. And ER better than Khaleel and Bhuvi 

[Global.Baba]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Good to know! I see that he was as good as Kuldeep, the other spinner. And ER better than Khaleel and Bhuvi 

Kuldeep was tossing the ball to get wickets and got smacked for a 6 in that process and looked like taking a wicket every ball.

 

Pandya was just darting it in and flukes a wicket and looked almost  non-threatening even to the tail

[zen]

1 minute ago, Global.Baba said:

Kuldeep was tossing the ball to get wickets and got smacked for a 6 in that process and looked like taking a wicket every ball.

 

Pandya was just darting it in and flukes a wicket and looked almost  non-threatening even to the tail

Not bad for the 5th bowler though as specialists like Khaleel went for a lot more 

[Global.Baba]

Just now, zen said:

Not bad for the 5th bowler though as specialists like Khaleel went for a lot more 

Is 5th bowler supposed to not try and pick wickets

[Global.Baba]

Both Pandyas are fine for T20s a format where Tye can be a strike bowler for a team or guys like Bhatia, Imad Wasim. Grandhomme etc still have a slot. 3 ful time bowlers and 3-4 semi bowlers are fine enough.

 

In ODIs too they can play as 5th and 6th bowler but someone has to be good enough to play as a batsman alone in a 50 over format where you have to bat long. I don’t think they are good enough or capable to play long innings.

[Rightarmfast]

6 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Is 5th bowler supposed to not try and pick wickets

Didnt you know that Khaleel Ahmed is the standard the allrounder is supposed to emulate? Thats written in the bible.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Global.Baba said:

Is 5th bowler supposed to not try and pick wickets

5th and 6th bowlers are usually weak relatively and often targeted by the other team so it is understandable to seek to dry runs. He did well esp after the last game so what is the complain about? We don’t know if a replacement would have done better esp in terms of wkts 

[Global.Baba]

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

Didnt you know that Khaleel Ahmed is the standard the allrounder is supposed to emulate? Thats written in the bible.

Khaleel Ahmed might have been a let down but he earned his slot as a bowler and apart from the last bad over did his job by picking 2 wickets and yes he “tried to take wickets”

 

If Khaleel fails as a bowler he will be replaced. Simple.

 

He unfortunately doesn’t have excuses like he is the 3rd seamer, 5th bowler or if he fails with the bat things like he can bowl a bit or situation was not conducive, etc etc etc

[Straight Drive]

8 hours ago, Zero_Unit said:

just cause we got no allrounders that doesn't mean that they don't exists. Jadeja, Ashwin and Panday are not proper allrounders for the blind fools out there. Panday has a good shot at it but he needs to grab his balls and pull up his socks, stop taking too much selfies and concentrate on training. Jadeja is a lost cause. Came to play international cricket with only his fielding. After a decade, only bowling got rectified, still bats like a number 11.

Obviously its a troll thread. Surely the one who mentions there are no all rounders has himself seen atleast Cronje, Bravo, Shakib, Kallis, Cairns and few more of these era.

[Ankit_sharma03]

43 minutes ago, Khota said:

Even when I show you a trend you start changing the goal posts. Someone can cure cancer and you will still find faults.

show me the trend not jst one game stats

One game stat isnt a trend

[Global.Baba]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

show me the trend not jst one game stats

One game stat isnt a trend

How many games have Carey or D’arcy short played? Isn’t it as clear as daylight, they are hacks who don’t belong. It is so obvious from Krunal’s bowling that he just isn’t good enough. What are you not understanding?

[Ankit_sharma03]

26 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Krunal’s ability to bat at 7 is in an international game is as untested as Shankar or Shivam dubey.

Krunal s/r is damn ahead of shankar in IPL and shankar is more of a proper batsman

But as far as domestic is concerned both bros have shown in IPL that they stand miles ahead of many when it comes to hitting 

26 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

 

On what basis are you saying Krunal is the best thing since sliced bread? Some IPL hackathons were Rana and Valthaty look like world beaters?

ur words not mine , also if u knw better lower order hitter do let me knw.....sitting n making objections is easiest thing give me the names 

 

Rana is a good hitter and is in A-team setup , so whats the issue their 

Valtahty was one season wonder 

 

Krunal has done well in more then one season now 

[Ankit_sharma03]

19 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

How many games have Carey or D’arcy short played? Isn’t it as clear as daylight, they are hacks who don’t belong. It is so obvious from Krunal’s bowling that he just isn’t good enough. What are you not understanding?

so if 1-2 doesnt do well means no one wud ???

 

I see no wrong with krunal bowling if he is used as 6th bowler in overseas and 5th in subcontinet

UR basis are 5 games in which he has done well in 3 games and in 1 game he gave as much runs as other...

 

I hve seen this guy get abdv 5 times in IPL and tie down pant who was in beast mode and then getting his wkts....are those 2 less of batsman 

 

More so he showed improvement today.....that day he was dartling at pace those balls today he bowled it slower n got maxwell wkts. Thats what u see in a young player that he learned quickly 

Edited November 23, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[zen]

The anti-Pandya brigade (apb) argument: 

 

* to be in the 11, someone like Krunal has to bowl as good as Bumrah and Kuldeep, two of Ind’s best and when other specialist bowlers don’t come close 

* if others fail, there is always a reason. If Krunal fails, he was expected to. if he does well, he fluked   

* to be in the team, Krunal has to bat like Kohli and Rohit. While we can tolerate some of the other specialist batsmen 

 

we get it  

Edited November 23, 2018 by zen

[Khota]

58 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

show me the trend not jst one game stats

One game stat isnt a trend

Few months when we were discussing Dhawan and Vijay you started taking runs off from Dhawan's total because of a dropped catch. I can go on and on but don't have the time.

Anyway after this series pandya will grade at the bottom most likely. Let us stick to that.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

Few months when we were discussing Dhawan and Vijay you started taking runs off from Dhawan's total because of a dropped catch. I can go on and on but don't have the time.

Anyway after this series pandya will grade at the bottom most likely. Let us stick to that.

yes they shud have been taken

COZ he was not a good test player and then dropped catches

 

BTW pandya was excellent in field today so thats a plus