Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Khota said: How was his batting? when u get 3-4 balls and u hve to hit straight away ull fail most days , their was nothing to judge If 3-4 balls is ur judgement criteria, well that shows now ur jst looking for something coz ur bowling question has failed and now u hve to find something . In that situation most wud have failed on most days . dont worry soon ull get answers regd his batting to Try a bit of humility when u proven wrong express bowling, Laaloo and Switchblade 1 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: when u get 3-4 balls and u hve to hit straight away ull fail most days , their was nothing to judge If 3-4 balls is ur judgement criteria, well that shows now ur jst looking for something coz ur bowling question has failed and now u hve to find something . In that situation most wud have failed on most days . dont worry soon ull get answers regd his batting to Try a bit of humility when u proven wrong I am humble as they come. You fail to understand his batting is not needed and his bowling is sub par. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Khota said: I am humble as they come. You fail to understand his batting is not needed and his bowling is sub par. Now ur jst being stubborn his batting was needed in his debut game only so was hardik in Ct final His bowling came to help today so was hardik in england if he was playing hows is it subpar bowling , he today got the achievement of best stats by a spinner in t20 in australia how is that sub par batting at 7 is needed that why teams have someone at 7 who can bat n most importantly hit ....look around world cricket, IPL infact even in Past Link to comment
philcric Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Khota said: I am humble as they come. You fail to understand his batting is not needed and his bowling is sub par. Many of your posts suggest otherwise. Clarke 1 Link to comment
Moochad Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 To me, Allrounders are either bowling or batting allrounders. They have their primary skill and then a secondary skill. They should be judged like that only. I don't think there has been one equally competent in both batting and bowling! Tibarn and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Now ur jst being stubborn his batting was needed in his debut game only so was hardik in Ct final His bowling came to help today so was hardik in england if he was playing hows is it subpar bowling , he today got the achievement of best stats by a spinner in t20 in australia how is that sub par batting at 7 is needed that why teams have someone at 7 who can bat n most importantly hit ....look around world cricket, IPL infact even in Past Explain to me plainly how his batting was needed in the Aus series. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, philcric said: Many of your posts suggest otherwise. That is your opinion, not a fact. Link to comment
Sooda Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Khota said: Explain to me plainly how his batting was needed in the Aus series. Yes, fortunately. One ball or bad shot away from it being needed. What if it was needed, like on his debut vs WI..? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, Khota said: Explain to me plainly how his batting was needed in the Aus series. So every game will be like how it happened in Australia ...thats never happens and never works out are u going to get same tracks and avg bowling all around the world Ur telling me a collapse cnt happen...... dnt go far away his batting came to need in last series also, so many times hardik batting was needed dnt see what u wanna see, no captain picks a team like that on a sample size of 2 innings of batting No one Come on , come with some smart logic. Ab to baal ki khaal wala time aa gya he failed in one innings were he got 2-3 balls.....ru series he bowled well in 2nd t20 but he stats were worse among all our bowlers....really his batting is not needed coz in 2 games it was required.....2 games Laaloo and zen 2 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Now ur jst being stubborn his batting was needed in his debut game only so was hardik in Ct final His bowling came to help today so was hardik in england if he was playing hows is it subpar bowling , he today got the achievement of best stats by a spinner in t20 in australia how is that sub par batting at 7 is needed that why teams have someone at 7 who can bat n most importantly hit ....look around world cricket, IPL infact even in Past Taking wickets of Maxwell, short, Carey and McDermott I'll take more outliers like this with subpar bowling every game philcric and Ankit_sharma03 1 1 Link to comment
philcric Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, Laaloo said: Taking wickets of Maxwell, short, Carey and McDermott I'll take more outliers like this with subpar bowling every game Teenager. Krunal didn't bowl well. Aus were looking for easy runs. Doesn't count. Krunal's 4 wickets is your opinion, not a fact. Laaloo, zen, Ankit_sharma03 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 If the agenda is to promote him as an allrounder, crow is definitely on the menu. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Moochad said: To me, Allrounders are either bowling or batting allrounders. They have their primary skill and then a secondary skill. They should be judged like that only. I don't think there has been one equally competent in both batting and bowling! Flintoff? Shakib? Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, philcric said: Moeen Ali - 4/92 He is one of the best spin bowlers in his country. Makes it into the side on his bowling alone. Not “forced” as an allrounder Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Flintoff? Shakib? As I said above Shakib and Holder are probably the best “cricketers” in their country coming from a struggling cricketing nation. India is not. Flintoff was a bowling allrounder. People think Harmison or Anderson but at his peak Flintoff was the spearhead. Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) It all depends on team needs, Indian T20 team needs bowling all rounders rather than batting ones like Krunal.He will have to bowl his 4 overs every match he plays and batting he might not get more than 10 balls .So unless he makes it to team as a bowler he will not be there for long in this team. Hardik in tests is a totally different story. Indian test team need batting allrounders sadly Hardik does not fit that bill.So in essense both brothers are misfits to their team needs. Edited November 26, 2018 by putrevus Link to comment
Moochad Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 16 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Flintoff? Shakib? Going by their stats, both average over 30 with teh ball and under 40 with the bat. I guess you can say they were equally competent with both fields, but they were not world beaters with either, at least based off record Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, putrevus said: Hardik in tests is a totally different story. Indian test team need batting allrounders sadly Hardik does not fit that bill.So in essense both brothers are misfits to their team needs. but do we have batting all rounders option- No may be 1 but we need 2-3 part timers to get 10-15 overs..... So hardik comes into picture and he hasnt done bad at all 3 hours ago, putrevus said: It all depends on team needs, Indian T20 team needs bowling all rounders rather than batting ones like Krunal.He will have to bowl his 4 overs every match he plays and batting he might not get more than 10 balls .So unless he makes it to team as a bowler he will not be there for long in this team. they both can play as all-rounders for our team as 5th and 6th bowlers and lower order power hitters and that is the need for t20 Depending on condition Subcontinet- krunal becomes 5th , hardik 6th bowling option overseas - hardik 5th, krunal 6th they both make it easily to t20 team and they have given gr8 balance to MI like narine n russell does for KKR Edited November 26, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03 philcric 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: but do we have batting all rounders option- No may be 1 but we need 2-3 part timers to get 10-15 overs..... So hardik comes into picture and he hasnt done bad at all they both can play as all-rounders for our team as 5th and 6th bowlers and lower order power hitters and that is the need for t20 Depending on condition Subcontinet- krunal becomes 5th , hardik 6th bowling option overseas - hardik 5th, krunal 6th they both make it easily to t20 team and they have given gr8 balance to MI like narine n russell does for KKR You don't keep playing a player who is not good enough becuase you don't have any alternatives. Hardik falls into that category in tests.He is just not good enough in my view. T20s there is case of playing both of them or none of them but Pant/Karthik needs to give way for Hardik.I really want Pant to keep playing as he is young and he is the future of Indian cricket. They are nowhere near either Russell or Narine. For Pandya to become a regular in tests he needs to become much better bowler but he has not shown any improvement in my view. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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