Global.Baba Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) After making a mark in U-19, FC cricket and IPL, we all had our eyes set on Rishabh Pant. He was the heir apparent to MSD. Saha was a test specialist and obviously not a glamorous enough player for most fans . we all felt it was time to move on from TTFs like DK and Parthiv. Had a rocky start in international cricket but the 100 in England felt like it would be the arrival of Pant. Apart from few emotionally charged IPL messing around, most if not all of us wanted Pant to succeed. However even in the Last T20 against WI even though he got a 50 and this game against Australia, there is something that seems to be missing. Either he is over whelmed by the T20 format or has limited allround stroke play but all I see is ugly hoicks to mid wicket where he is off balance most of the times or tries to hit the ball so hard that he loses shape and loses grip of the bat most times. You don’t need to over think and start consolidating but every great hitter has some method to his madness but Pant’s approach is a little hard to watch and there is no visible game plan. Sure it is only T20 but still it is a game of cricket and some awareness needs to be present. I am getting a feeling that ICF is going to turn on Pant soon if he goes this route. He needs to step up. Edited November 21, 2018 by Global.Baba rkt.india, raki05, UrmiSinhaRay and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 He is 21 years old FFS, is 4-5 months into his international career. He's succeeded with THAT technique at FC level (50+ average), in IPL (600+ runs in a season) and for India A (won a Test and Tri series final in A series). Has earned his spot on merit and not due to some connections. Hit a 30 ball 50 last T20 match in a tough chase. Initially his keeping was a problem, he hit a 100 and 2 50s in Tests, that talk died down. Again no issues with his keeping today, so his on side 'hoicks' are a problem! Let him play more, learn and evolve his game. Kind of over reaction to this T20 loss especially about all the young players has been astounding. I fear for Shaw and Vihari now. Same fate awaits them if they fail on this tour. beetle, Laaloo and Mosher 3 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, ShoonyaSifar said: He is 21 years old FFS, is 4-5 months into his international career. He's succeeded with THAT technique at FC level (50+ average), in IPL (600+ runs in a season) and for India A (won a Test and Tri series final in A series). Has earned his spot on merit and not due to some connections. Hit a 30 ball 50 last T20 match in a tough chase. Initially his keeping was a problem, he hit a 100 and 2 50s in Tests, that talk died down. Again no issues with his keeping today, so his on side 'hoicks' are a problem! Let him play more, learn and evolve his game. Kind of over reaction to this T20 loss especially about all the young players has been astounding. I fear for Shaw and Vihari now. Same fate awaits them if they fail on this tour. 21 years is no excuse for being brainless. Rush of blood is different from having no match awareness. Throwing your bat at everything is not the answer. For example Rohit and Kohli got out rash shot because they were falling behind on the rate. Dhawan and Karthik played attacking innings and got out playing a shot but every shot of theirs looked calculated. Pant’s every shot or plan just seems to be hoick the ball as hard as he can regardless of the situation. As I said he played a very good aggressive innings in a test match, there is being aggressive and attacking and then there is just looking like a person without a plan and swinging at everything. Trust me I am aware of pants ability but it is not translating well. UrmiSinhaRay, Switchblade and raki05 1 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 hi keeping will come under scrutiny in tests. i think he will be given more time in t20 UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 keep wondering where Ishan Kishan is in the mix.he was every bit as destructive a batsman as Pant UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Also rhetoric question that is being asked many times WTF are coaches doing with guys like Krunal,Pant and Khaleel? WTF is the head coach chewt doing expect for giving them a false sense of fake confidence like he displays UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
The Realist Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 59 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Also rhetoric question that is being asked many times WTF are coaches doing with guys like Krunal,Pant and Khaleel? WTF is the head coach chewt doing expect for giving them a false sense of fake confidence like he displays Would help if BCCI actually employed actual coaches with real coaching credentials rather than a morbidly obese Cheerleader & his drinking buddies. No player has improved under the current regime, most have stood still or regressed. beetle, UrmiSinhaRay, Global.Baba and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I would absolutely love Pant to take his game to the next level. His innings at Oval was all class. But too often he is unsure of his role in LOIs and take the hacking approach. His slog towards cow corner is exactly the same as Suresh Raina. He needs to improve his off side game and look to time the ball more rather than blind swing. At present, he is looking like poor mans Raina and not looking ready at all for world cup. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Would help if BCCI actually employed actual coaches with real coaching credentials rather than a morbidly obese Cheerleader & his drinking buddies. No player has improved under the current regime, most have stood still or regressed.Did you not listen to Kohli's press conference before departing to Australia? He clearly told Shastri is the best man manager and team need people like him. They dont want coaches who tells him where the head and elbow should be while batting. Aparently its expected that players already know all those stuffs at this level. If captain has such thinking, who would want to coach them? You really think a person like Dravid can work in this environment.Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 With DK around dont need Pant. I have my own too so I definitely dont need it. beetle and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
SecondSlip Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 SCENARIO #1 ICFers wanted a pace bowling allrounder who can bat in the lower order and hit the ball big and far. We get one in Hardik Pandya but ICFers have turned on him. SCENARIO #2 ICFers wanted a wrist spinner who can take wickets in the middle overs and put pressure on the opposition. We get one in Yuzvendra Chahal but ICFers have turned on him. SCENARIO #3 ICFers wanted a flexible batsman that can play all the shots in the book and bat at any position in the top 5. We get one in KL Rahul but ICFers have turned on him. This same ungrateful bunch are slowly turning on Khaleel & Pant now. On one hand they cry that youngsters aren't getting chances. But on the other hand, they lash out at these same youngsters after a few games. Jamadagni, philcric, Lannister and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: SCENARIO #1 ICFers wanted a pace bowling allrounder who can bat in the lower order and hit the ball big and far. We get one in Hardik Pandya but ICFers have turned on him. SCENARIO #2 ICFers wanted a wrist spinner who can take wickets in the middle overs and put pressure on the opposition. We get one in Yuzvendra Chahal but ICFers have turned on him. SCENARIO #3 ICFers wanted a flexible batsman that can play all the shots in the book and bat at any position in the top 5. We get one in KL Rahul but ICFers have turned on him. This same ungrateful bunch are slowly turning on Khaleel & Pant now. On one hand they cry that youngsters aren't getting chances. But on the other hand, they lash out at these same youngsters after a few games. Summary of the story Budhe rakho to taqleef Jawaan player lao to patience Sabko pakke pakkaye player chahiye Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Did you not listen to Kohli's press conference before departing to Australia? He clearly told Shastri is the best man manager and team need people like him. They dont want coaches who tells him where the head and elbow should be while batting. Aparently its expected that players already know all those stuffs at this level. If captain has such thinking, who would want to coach them? You really think a person like Dravid can work in this environment. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk So, what man management is he doing? Chopping and changing players, agreeing to cutting down practice games, agreeing to team members travelling on tour on their own, sleeping mid match on live telly, and the list goes on.... Now coming to other role of Coach, which is to strategize with the captain. What input is he giving Kohli there and how forthcoming is Kohli of any input from him? Shastri can be a personal coach for Kohli as he doesn't need any technical coaching and likes to practise or skip practice at his own leisure. But Shastri is not his personal coach, he is coach of Team India which has 15 other individuals to look after and strategize with. Edited November 21, 2018 by Forever Indian UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Global.Baba said: After making a mark in U-19, FC cricket and IPL, we all had our eyes set on Rishabh Pant. He was the heir apparent to MSD. Saha was a test specialist and obviously not a glamorous enough player for most fans . we all felt it was time to move on from TTFs like DK and Parthiv. Had a rocky start in international cricket but the 100 in England felt like it would be the arrival of Pant. Apart from few emotionally charged IPL messing around, most if not all of us wanted Pant to succeed. However even in the Last T20 against WI even though he got a 50 and this game against Australia, there is something that seems to be missing. Either he is over whelmed by the T20 format or has limited allround stroke play but all I see is ugly hoicks to mid wicket where he is off balance most of the times or tries to hit the ball so hard that he loses shape and loses grip of the bat most times. You don’t need to over think and start consolidating but every great hitter has some method to his madness but Pant’s approach is a little hard to watch and there is no visible game plan. Sure it is only T20 but still it is a game of cricket and some awareness needs to be present. I am getting a feeling that ICF is going to turn on Pant soon if he goes this route. He needs to step up. I think its harsh to put his "batting method" under a microscope. Indian team is strong enough on the batting front, to let him be totally free and bat without overthinking. There's always going to opportunities for him down the road to learn how to 'pace' himself. He's so young, I'd hope the team just gives him a longish rope and protects him from undue spotlight or pressure from within and without. And given the fact we have a power deficit in our middle order, its a reasonably logical gamble to let him keep swinging away. If he goes berserk once every few games, that's more than good enough. No need to weigh him down with "responsibility" and all that jazz. Yet. Edited November 21, 2018 by sandeep beetle, Mosher, philcric and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
sandeep Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Sabko pakke pakkaye player chahiye pakke pakaaye superstar chahiye bhau. Link to comment
beetle Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 6 hours ago, SecondSlip said: SCENARIO #1 ICFers wanted a pace bowling allrounder who can bat in the lower order and hit the ball big and far. We get one in Hardik Pandya but ICFers have turned on him. SCENARIO #2 ICFers wanted a wrist spinner who can take wickets in the middle overs and put pressure on the opposition. We get one in Yuzvendra Chahal but ICFers have turned on him. SCENARIO #3 ICFers wanted a flexible batsman that can play all the shots in the book and bat at any position in the top 5. We get one in KL Rahul but ICFers have turned on him. This same ungrateful bunch are slowly turning on Khaleel & Pant now. On one hand they cry that youngsters aren't getting chances. But on the other hand, they lash out at these same youngsters after a few games. Arey bhai... a few differences of opinions doesn't mean people are turning on them. Most people are just pointing out flaws or shortcomings based on the match. Every player has some supporters and some posters who do not support. When the player does not perform to expectations in a match...the opposing voices are louder.... Khaleel ,Pant and Pandya may have some cynics ....but in general,they have a fairly good mix of pro and anti posters here. Rahul is a different case. He had the support of the whole forum but has disappointed everyone. Most of it because of his attitude towards the game and the off the field interests taking priority. He is more interested in playing for Bunty sejdah.....appearing in spicy talk shows and posting pics on insta.... Mosher and zaqw222222 2 Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) Actually Pant did better than Khaleel, Krunal or Rahul. His knock gave us a chance to chase down the total. But somebody has to talk to him about shot selection..if he's clear that this is the way he's going to play then it's okay. This is where a coach would help. As long as he's willing to improve there's no problem. Even Dhoni had limited abilities but turned it around. Edited November 22, 2018 by The Dark Horse UrmiSinhaRay, Mosher and beetle 1 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 You won't find many better 20-21 year olds in t20 cricket. beetle, UrmiSinhaRay, Mosher and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Expectation are quite high from him UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 No one will turn on anyone untill they are performing. Go dig older posts and you will see following and backing dhoni for years. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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