rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Just went thru the link http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=1;spanmin1=22+sep+2016;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting He already has an avg: of around 53-54 in domestic with 3 300s. From the above link it is clear as to how he has started doing justice to his first class performance by converting the same into test cricket too. Yes 47.36 is inflated because of high number of not outs, but yet even if we evaluate that avg: from a normal platform, that comes around to 42-42.5 avg:( i mean if he was allowed to continue with these not out scores and eventually remained not outs in only 3 inns he would still have avg:ed almost 42.5). So an avg:- str: combo of 42.5-65.54 from his batting position is worth as a batsman alone. Not only that he has started performing out side Asia too. We talk a lot about giving chances to talented youngsters in various batting positions.Yet we completely neglect discussing about giving chances to this player who is already a very good bowler & a brilliant fielder but an experienced player too.And he has a good 8 years left in him. I think he deserves his chances as a permanent no:6 batsmen for a few matches which would be worth an experiment. I think he has clearly started doing justice to his batting abilities.Thoughts Edited November 30, 2018 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
sandeep Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 6 is way too high for him. I think that would mess up his batting method that he has finally found after years of underwhelming batting. He currently has the license to bat with freedom, and that works really well for him from #8. I do think that Ashwin's batting being 'better' than Jaddu's is a myth. flamy, UrmiSinhaRay, SrinjayDutta and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, sandeep said: 6 is way too high for him. I think that would mess up his batting method that he has finally found after years of underwhelming batting. He currently has the license to bat with freedom, and that works really well for him from #8. I do think that Ashwin's batting being 'better' than Jaddu's is a myth. may be.... Any way he can bat after 'Pant at 6' .What I really intended to say was that it is frustrating to see him time and again side lined for some lesser players .This guy deserves a permanent place in the team at the expense of any one Edited November 30, 2018 by rtmohanlal sandsaims 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 jadeja never gave me confidence against high pace n bounce, i feel starc will eat him alive Plus his bowling today looked halwa Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, sandeep said: 6 is way too high for him. I think that would mess up his batting method that he has finally found after years of underwhelming batting. He currently has the license to bat with freedom, and that works really well for him from #8. I do think that Ashwin's batting being 'better' than Jaddu's is a myth. Jaddu is currently a better bat than Ashwin as of now - I think he could bat as high as 7, but not more. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 What I liked more about Jadeja was his come back match performance. Got an oppertunity after a while in that last ENG test where Ashwin got injured. He scored a 99 runs @ 99 avg: , picked 7 wkts @ 36.8 thus proved his worth in the team.Even more superb was the way he scored those runs in the company of tailenders.This shows that he has it in him ( that mental toughness) to score in tough abroad conditions too.Another point is that he has an avg: of 28.15 in SENA as of now, which includes his full career data.For a comparison Pujara has only 29.3 avg: in SENA. SrinjayDutta 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: What I liked more about Jadeja was his come back match performance. Got an oppertunity after a while in that last ENG test where Ashwin got injured. He scored a 99 runs @ 99 avg: , picked 7 wkts @ 36.8 thus proved his worth in the team.Even more superb was the way he scored those runs in the company of tailenders.This shows that he has it in him ( that mental toughness) to score in tough abroad conditions too.Another point is that he has an avg: of 28.15 in SENA as of now, which includes his full career data.For a comparison Pujara has only 29.3 avg: in SENA. I'd imagine his avg in SENA is comparable or higher than Che, Dhawan or Rohit, although the first 2 are top order batsmen Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: jadeja never gave me confidence against high pace n bounce, i feel starc will eat him alive Plus his bowling today looked halwa Spinners need high support from quality seam bowlers to be even some what successful in AUS. And he is a batsman with vast experience and 54 avg: in domestic. That being the case he surely deserves his chances in general. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: I'd imagine his avg in SENA is comparable or higher than Che, Dhawan or Rohit, although the first 2 are top order batsmen yes... it shows that he can avg: more or less the same as that of so called top order batsman like Pujara in SENA at least from lower order position and hence thoroughly deserves his chances. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: yes... it shows that he can avg: more or less the same as that of so called top order batsman like Pujara in SENA at least from lower order position and hence thoroughly deserves his chances. SENA men England bhi aati hai, where he has played 2 good knocks Eng bowlers dnt have same pace n pitches dnt have same bounce like SA n AUS M talking about pace n bounce Pujara himself is an underachiever 19 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Spinners need high support from quality seam bowlers to be even some what successful in AUS. And he is a batsman with vast experience and 54 avg: in domestic. That being the case he surely deserves his chances in general. his domestic record has no relevance now that we have seen him bat for 10 yrs he is good in India with bat not overseas, UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
R.D forever Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Don't go by his stats in the last test. He bowled crap. Just darts. Even his usual consistency was not there. Still go with Ashwin. Benefit of doubt seeing how beautifully he bowled before getting injured. The cook wicket in 1st test was a treat to eatch Link to comment
zen Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 If there is not much for the spinners, play 4 quicks -> Bumrah, Shami, Ishant and Yadav (or Bhuvi if conditions could assist swing) Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: SENA men England bhi aati hai, where he has played 2 good knocks Eng bowlers dnt have same pace n pitches dnt have same bounce like SA n AUS M talking about pace n bounce Pujara himself is an underachiever his domestic record has no relevance now that we have seen him bat for 10 yrs he is good in India with bat not overseas, just see Jadeja's record in the filtered out period in the last 31 inns . His avg: is around 48. I am not saying that Jadeja is a must moving forward. Just saying that with his track record as of now( domestic record & last 31 inns test record) Jadeja deserves a prolonged stretch chance more than any one else ESPECIALLY because of the fact that proven hacks like Pujara gets chances after chances despite being utter mediocre in SENA after 7 or 8 tours to these places. Whether he succeeds or not on bouncy wkts is yet another matter. Edited November 30, 2018 by rtmohanlal UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: just see Jadeja's record in the filtered out period in the last 31 inns . His avg: is around 48. I am not saying that Jadeja is a must moving forward. Just saying that with his track record as of now( domestic record & last 31 inns test record) Jadeja deserves a prolonged stretch chance more than any one else ESPECIALLY because of the fact that proven hacks like Pujara gets chances after chances despite being utter mediocre in SENA after 7 or 8 tours to these places. Whether he succeeds or not on bouncy wkts is yet another matter. but how many innings have been played in India n SL in those 31 Whenever i see him agianst pace, he is always late on the ball like incase of ashwin n rohit u say they have extra time ...jadeja is late Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: but how many innings have been played in India n SL in those 31 Whenever i see him agianst pace, he is always late on the ball like incase of ashwin n rohit u say they have extra time ...jadeja is late Jadeja has not yet played enough tests in AUS & SAF( has played only 2 inns in SAF that too before his last 31 inns period).So before providing enough chances in bouncy wkts, we can't judge his ability against pace i guess Link to comment
Clarke Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Keen to see him selected ahead of Ashwin. Recent performance has to be accounted after all. Link to comment
sandeep Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: but how many innings have been played in India n SL in those 31 Whenever i see him agianst pace, he is always late on the ball like incase of ashwin n rohit u say they have extra time ...jadeja is late This is perception bias. Ashwin looks classier due to his batting style. But class != effectiveness. Jadeja has shown he can handle pace and bounce. SrinjayDutta 1 Link to comment
SrinjayDutta Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 In Adelaide we can play both.Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I would rather see Jaddu instead of Ashwin in Oz. Fingerspinners do poorly here in general, in which case Jaddu's much more superior ground fielding and possibly better batting merits his selection ahead of Ashwin. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, sandeep said: This is perception bias. Ashwin looks classier due to his batting style. But class != effectiveness. Jadeja has shown he can handle pace and bounce. not biased Ashwin has made runs against such attacks , his batting has dipped may be coz he is not working hard but the guy had talent with bat . In 2011-12 aussie tour he was among our top batters I dnt remember jadeja doing much against pace n bounce be it any form Link to comment
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