zen Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) a) Selection Ineffective bowlers for the conditions: Ashwin (dominant in subcon), Jadeja (dominant in subcon) and Bhuvi (dominant in swinging conditions) Inconsistent (KL), Out of form (Vijay) or Struggling (Rahane) Batsmen Hot or cold players: Ishant, Yadav and Shami, while Kuldeep is relatively new to this format b) Lack of quality practise games Should have had at least 2 games. Now we have to hope to use the Adelaide Test as one Too bad that Shaw is out at least for the 1st Test. Would have preferred to give a run to youngsters such as Gill, Siraj, etc., too in this series .... Anyways, I am hoping for the best and preparing for the worst .... Based on the current availability, below is how I would plan Adelaide Test (12/05): Play conservative cricket w/ a focus on not losing the 1st test. Also enables us to short list players for the next two tests. Ideal combination 6+1+4 (4 pacers or 3 pacers + 1 spinner). If we lose here, it would mean playing catch up with additional pressure in the rest of the games Perth Test (12/14): Fast pitch. Same combination as above esp. if the 1st test is a draw. If we lose the 1st test, depending up on which batsman appears out of sorts, we can bring in a bowler or a batsman depending on form in place of that particular batsman Melbourne Test (12/25): Pace friendly / sporting pitch. If the scoreline is still at par, play conservative cricket. If we are behind, play aggressive cricket. Play those who have shown good in form in the first two tests. Bring in some new guys if required Sydney Test (01/07): Best chance for Ind to win. Have to hang on till this test. By now we would have identified the batsmen and bowlers in form .... and can play 2 spinners + 3 pacers if required to go for the kill Edited December 1, 2018 by zen ravishingravi 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, zen said: a) Selection Ineffective bowlers for the conditions: Ashwin (dominant in subcon), Jadeja (dominant in subcon) and Bhuvi (dominant in swinging conditions) Inconsistent (KL), Out of form (Vijay) or Struggling (Rahane) Batsmen Hot or cold players: Ishant, Yadav and Shami, while Kuldeep is relatively new to this format b) Lack of quality practise games Should have had at least 2 games. Now we have to hope to use the Adelaide Test as one Too bad that Shaw is out at least for the 1st Test. Would have preferred to give a run to youngsters such as Gill, Siraj, etc., too in this series .... Anyways, I am hoping for the best and preparing for the worst .... Based on the current availability, below is how I would plan Adelaide Test (12/05): Play conservative cricket w/ a focus on not losing the 1st test. Also enables us to short list players for the next two tests. Ideal combination 6+1+4 (4 pacers or 3 pacers + 1 spinner). If we lose here, it would mean playing catch up with additional pressure in the rest of the games Perth Test (12/14): Fast pitch. Same combination as above esp. if the 1st test is a draw. If we lose the 1st test, depending up on which batsman appears out of sorts, we can bring in a bowler or a batsman depending on form in place of that particular batsman Melbourne Test (12/25): Pace friendly / sporting pitch. If the scoreline is still at par, play conservative cricket. If we are behind, play aggressive cricket. Play those who have shown good in form in the first two tests. Bring in some new guys if required Sydney Test (01/07): Best chance for Ind to win. Have to hang on till this test. By now we would have identified the batsmen and bowlers in form .... and can play 2 spinners + 3 pacers if required to go for the kill I think we'll be down by at least 2 losses by the time we get to Sydney based on current bowling and batting. UrmiSinhaRay, zen and nevada 1 1 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I am not sure why we think it is the best chance to win in Australia? We had Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag, Kumble. THey had no McGrath, Warne. We could only draw that series. Sure this is probably one of the worst AUstralian side. Same way this is one of the worst Indian team to tour Australia. jf1gp_1 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I am not sure why we think it is the best chance to win in Australia? We had Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag, Kumble. THey had no McGrath, Warne. We could only draw that series. Sure this is probably one of the worst AUstralian side. Same way this is one of the worst Indian team to tour Australia. By and large, coz of the below: Men's Test Team Rankings Last updated - 28 Nov 2018 Developed by David Kendix Pos Team Matches Points Rating 1 India 38 4,397 116 2 England 49 5,310 108 3 South Africa 35 3,712 106 4 New Zealand 23 2,354 102 5 Australia 36 3,663 102 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, zen said: By and large, coz of the below: Men's Test Team Rankings Last updated - 28 Nov 2018 Developed by David Kendix Pos Team Matches Points Rating 1 India 38 4,397 116 2 England 49 5,310 108 3 South Africa 35 3,712 106 4 New Zealand 23 2,354 102 5 Australia 36 3,663 102 Our ranking was a result of home dominance. australia didn't dominate at home. But they are no pushovers either. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Our ranking was a result of home dominance. australia didn't dominate at home. But they are no pushovers either. It does not matter. Aus could well be the favorite if you prefer. In the past if Ind chance of winning was 10% and now IF it is 15% for e.g., this would still be our best chance philcric, Vilander and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, zen said: It does not matter. Aus could well be the favorite if you prefer. In the past if Ind chance of winning was 10% and now IF it is 15% for e.g., this would still be our best chance Unless India can unleash a potent leggie chance is always going to be 0. Sure Ishant could surprise us with a fifer somewhere. But we lack genuine swing bowlers, genuinely accurate pace bowlers, leggies. We are woefully inadequate in several departments. On top of that they have a leggie who could trouble Indians. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
nevada Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: I am not sure why we think it is the best chance to win in Australia? We had Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag, Kumble. THey had no McGrath, Warne. We could only draw that series. Sure this is probably one of the worst AUstralian side. Same way this is one of the worst Indian team to tour Australia. Weakest team in quite a while, our best chance to win series in SENA. This was the talk before the England series. We know what happened next. Now Smith and Warner's absence has given hope that this series can be won. But Aussies have a world class bowling attack and our batting is full of weak links. Our bowlers did a fantastic job in England but it is doubtful they can repeat their success in Australia on different pitches and different ball. I doubt this series will be any different than the SA and England series. I will keep expectations at zero but carry a tiny bit of hope that Kohli & co will surprise fans with a positive result. vvvslaxman and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Wow, u named 10 players and didn't add Pujara, the almost always cold player abroad ? I'm surprised. express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Had a few arguments already with you Zen ... but yet tempts to say it again ...... Pujara ..... this guy is going to be the most critical, he holds the most important batting position of one down. If one down batsman grinds it down after early loss of a wkt, then the team have a great chance of compiling competent total.But GOD knows as to how this proven mediocre in SENA & WI can turn it around this time. Even at his best after being this much experienced , the most he could do in ENG was a mere 39+ avg: . That being the case I would be really surprised if he avg:s 50+ in this series UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Had a few arguments already with you Zen ... but yet tempts to say it again ...... Pujara ..... this guy is going to be the most critical, he holds the most important batting position of one down. If one down batsman grinds it down after early loss of a wkt, then the team have a great chance of compiling competent total.But GOD knows as to how this proven mediocre in SENA & WI can turn it around this time. Even at his best after being this much experienced , the most he could do in ENG was a mere 39+ avg: . That being the case I would be really surprised if he avg:s 50+ in this series @zen is someone who cannot differentiate between LOIs and tests cricket, particularly when it comes to bowling. Watch him talk about strike rates and odi performances to talk about tests Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, CSK Fan said: @zen is someone who cannot differentiate between LOIs and tests cricket, particularly when it comes to bowling. Watch him talk about strike rates and odi performances to talk about tests spot on ... he even can't differentiate between 'different roles for different batting positions'... it seems.... He, for some reasons tries to defend this mediocre batsmen( utter mediocre in SENA + WI even after 8 series in these countries) at any cost. Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: I am not sure why we think it is the best chance to win in Australia? We had Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag, Kumble. THey had no McGrath, Warne. We could only draw that series. Sure this is probably one of the worst AUstralian side. Same way this is one of the worst Indian team to tour Australia. Our chance is assumed mostly because of their currently **** batting. Like us, they had an awesome batting line up as well in 2003/4. Ponting was awarded cricketer of the decade and then there were Langer Hayden Martyn Katich Gilchrist and an aging Waugh. Who's their best bat now, Khwaja ? The less said about the rest, the better. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 It is more often than not that either one of the openers perish before first 15 overs in tests. That is where the role of one down batsman comes in to play. He needs to defend ball after ball thus repair the damage , grind it & make bowlers wears down and then play the anchor role so that following stroke players can play their natural game.Pujara has been absolutely pathetic in this role as of now especially in SENA . I would attribute the utter pathetic performance of India in SENA ever since the great Dravid retired the utmost to this hack of a batsman Pujara. He self destroys at the crease way more often than not and never has been able to transmit any sort of confidence to the batsmen who follow him. Link to comment
zen Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said: Had a few arguments already with you Zen ... but yet tempts to say it again ...... Pujara ..... this guy is going to be the most critical, he holds the most important batting position of one down. If one down batsman grinds it down after early loss of a wkt, then the team have a great chance of compiling competent total.But GOD knows as to how this proven mediocre in SENA & WI can turn it around this time. Even at his best after being this much experienced , the most he could do in ENG was a mere 39+ avg: . That being the case I would be really surprised if he avg:s 50+ in this series 34 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: spot on ... he even can't differentiate between 'different roles for different batting positions'... it seems.... He, for some reasons tries to defend this mediocre batsmen( utter mediocre in SENA + WI even after 8 series in these countries) at any cost. 21 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: It is more often than not that either one of the openers perish before first 15 overs in tests. That is where the role of one down batsman comes in to play. He needs to defend ball after ball thus repair the damage , grind it & make bowlers wears down and then play the anchor role so that following stroke players can play their natural game.Pujara has been absolutely pathetic in this role as of now especially in SENA . I would attribute the utter pathetic performance of India in SENA ever since the great Dravid retired the utmost to this hack of a batsman Pujara. He self destroys at the crease way more often than not and never has been able to transmit any sort of confidence to the batsmen who follow him. what is the obsession with Pujara? View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 2 Dec 2016 and 2 Dec 2018 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 8 16 0 879 153 54.93 1500 58.60 3 4 1 102 1 CA Pujara 7 14 1 378 132* 29.07 1068 35.39 1 2 2 48 0 AM Rahane 6 12 0 314 81 26.16 734 42.77 0 2 1 34 0 KL Rahul 7 14 0 329 149 23.50 551 59.70 1 0 2 48 1 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 6 12 2 216 38 21.60 321 67.28 0 0 0 33 1 Edited December 2, 2018 by zen AuxiliA 1 Link to comment
zen Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Clarke said: Wow, u named 10 players and didn't add Pujara, the almost always cold player abroad ? I'm surprised. top 3 in each category .... excluding youngsters and relatively new players Edited December 2, 2018 by zen Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, zen said: what is the obsession with Pujara? View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 2 Dec 2016 and 2 Dec 2018 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 8 16 0 879 153 54.93 1500 58.60 3 4 1 102 1 CA Pujara 7 14 1 378 132* 29.07 1068 35.39 1 2 2 48 0 AM Rahane 6 12 0 314 81 26.16 734 42.77 0 2 1 34 0 KL Rahul 7 14 0 329 149 23.50 551 59.70 1 0 2 48 1 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 6 12 2 216 38 21.60 321 67.28 0 0 0 33 1 Ha ha ... here again it comes .... Here we are talking about Pujara's incompetency related to that 1 down position. And you have filtered out plain averages with out giving any concern to batting position, experience, batsman/bowler etc etc. Link to comment
zen Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Ha ha ... here again it comes .... Here we are talking about Pujara's incompetency related to that 1 down position. And you have filtered out plain averages with out giving any concern to batting position, experience, batsman/bowler etc etc. stats are based on performance and if he is the 2nd best batsman, where would you rate the competency of others? PS in the games where both Pujara and Rahane played View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 2 Dec 2016 and 2 Dec 2018 Involving all of the players CA Pujara (INDIA) or AM Rahane (INDIA) Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 18 of 18 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 5 10 0 488 103 48.80 892 54.70 1 3 1 56 0 CA Pujara 5 10 1 329 132* 36.55 915 35.95 1 2 1 41 0 KL Rahul 5 10 0 298 149 29.80 475 62.73 1 0 2 43 1 AM Rahane 5 10 0 297 81 29.70 684 43.42 0 2 1 33 0 RR Pant 3 6 0 162 114 27.00 252 64.28 1 0 1 20 6 Has played more balls at a relatively difficult batting position in test (Rahane despite being an opener does not like to bat in the top 3 in tests) and also avgs more PPS Also has been the best top order batsman View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 2 Dec 2016 and 2 Dec 2018 Involving all of the players CA Pujara (INDIA) or AM Rahane (INDIA) Batting position less than or equal to 3 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s CA Pujara 5 9 1 328 132* 41.00 905 36.24 1 2 1 41 0 KL Rahul 5 10 0 298 149 29.80 475 62.73 1 0 2 43 1 S Dhawan 3 6 0 123 44 20.50 222 55.40 0 0 0 19 0 M Vijay 2 4 0 33 25 8.25 172 19.18 0 0 2 2 0 PA Patel 1 1 0 16 16 16.00 15 106.66 0 0 0 3 0 Edited December 2, 2018 by zen AuxiliA 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 3 hours ago, zen said: stats are based on performance and if he is the 2nd best batsman, where would you rate the competency of others? PS in the games where both Pujara and Rahane played View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 2 Dec 2016 and 2 Dec 2018 Involving all of the players CA Pujara (INDIA) or AM Rahane (INDIA) Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 18 of 18 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 5 10 0 488 103 48.80 892 54.70 1 3 1 56 0 CA Pujara 5 10 1 329 132* 36.55 915 35.95 1 2 1 41 0 KL Rahul 5 10 0 298 149 29.80 475 62.73 1 0 2 43 1 AM Rahane 5 10 0 297 81 29.70 684 43.42 0 2 1 33 0 RR Pant 3 6 0 162 114 27.00 252 64.28 1 0 1 20 6 Has played more balls at a relatively difficult batting position in test (Rahane despite being an opener does not like to bat in the top 3 in tests) and also avgs more PPS Also has been the best top order batsman View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 2 Dec 2016 and 2 Dec 2018 Involving all of the players CA Pujara (INDIA) or AM Rahane (INDIA) Batting position less than or equal to 3 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 5 of 5 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s CA Pujara 5 9 1 328 132* 41.00 905 36.24 1 2 1 41 0 KL Rahul 5 10 0 298 149 29.80 475 62.73 1 0 2 43 1 S Dhawan 3 6 0 123 44 20.50 222 55.40 0 0 0 19 0 M Vijay 2 4 0 33 25 8.25 172 19.18 0 0 2 2 0 PA Patel 1 1 0 16 16 16.00 15 106.66 0 0 0 3 0 just don't know why you try to defend him wiith these senseless stats filtrations. ..... now taking only last 2 years data......for what ??? we are here talking about Pujara's performance in SENA from his batting position in his entire career.You are bringing Rahane who has done lot more than Pujara in SENA from his batting position in his entire career. And to suit your motive you conveniently filters out last 2 years only. I am not defending Rahane or any other player by any means.They all have short comings as of now. For instance take Rahane. He needs to perform in this series because his strong zone is in SENA barring ENG.Naturally if he is not upto the mark in this series , he needs to be dropped. Just stating that ,from the performance till now Pujara has been the most inadequate. That's it. If you do not feel otherwise, so be it Clarke, express bowling and manu4411 3 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 8 hours ago, Clarke said: Our chance is assumed mostly because of their currently **** batting. Like us, they had an awesome batting line up as well in 2003/4. Ponting was awarded cricketer of the decade and then there were Langer Hayden Martyn Katich Gilchrist and an aging Waugh. Who's their best bat now, Khwaja ? The less said about the rest, the better. Well we didn't have to lose a test right? But we did lose a test. No matter how sucky their batsmen are, in their home conditions against half baked attacks they are still going to thrive. India lacks bowlers for flat true pitches. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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