National selectors biased against Mumbai players, says Sunil Gavaskar

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

Do Abhimanyu Easwaran and Ravi Samarth deserve a place ahead of Siddesh Lad?  That's not a crazy question, is it?

 

I don't necessarily agree with Gavaskar about "anti-Mumbai" bias.  But he has a right as a former Bombay player to advocate for players from his FC team.  

They both are openers. Lad is a middle order bat. Those are two of the best openers in domestic cricket. There are plenty better middle order batsmen. Lad isn't fighting with Abhimanyu or Samarth. And if he does, I would still say those two are better batsman than Lad. Opening in domestic cricket isn't easy because many a times they have to face fresh green pitches unlike our test pitches.

[Lannister]

Some naive fans were arguing that there is no such thing as Mumbai lobby. I mean how ignorant can one get, unless if you are hailed from that region. The Indian fans totally deserve this. 

[rtmohanlal]

SG is speaking nonsense to say the least.

[velu]

@Pollack  "kar" bhai .. your views 

 

[velu]

even though i am not impressed with mayank agarwal ( in IPLs ) , he should have played few tests by now

[velu]

13 hours ago, Cricketics said:

I want Gambhir to say something on this and spark a new controversy. All these Indian legends be it from Karnataka or Bombay or anywhere need to be rattled by Gambhir’s tweet. Need a big fight among seniors right about now so that our current team can relax and play and win overseas while these old farts fight over on news channels.

 

 

 

gambhir is actually fighting with delhi lobby and not fighting for them  

[Straight Drive]

10 hours ago, sandeep said:

Do Abhimanyu Easwaran and Ravi Samarth deserve a place ahead of Siddesh Lad?  That's not a crazy question, is it?

 

I don't necessarily agree with Gavaskar about "anti-Mumbai" bias.  But he has a right as a former Bombay player to advocate for players from his FC team.  

Siddhesh Lad is a middle / lower middle order batsman. It is evident from his batting position in 70 innings:

Batting Position - Innings batted

1 - 0
2 - 2
3 - 1
4 - 7
5 - 20
6 - 33
7 - 5
8 - 2
 

Whereas Samarth and Eswaran have batted most of their innings as opener or on one down unlike Siddhesh Lad. So Siddhesh Lad is not competitor for openers or Samarth and Eswaran and does not deserves a place as opener ahead of Samarth and Eswaran or for that matter over any other proper regular openers. Whether there could be better choices as openers other than Samarth and Eswaran is a different matter though.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2018 by Straight Drive

[diga]

4 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

SG is speaking nonsense to say the least.

Not always... He can play the role of a senior statesman perfectly if he wants to. He is senior enough to question why Dhoni & Dhawan are not playing Ranji

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25448598/why-ms-dhoni-shikhar-dhawan-playing-domestic-cricket

 

[CSK Fan]

How dare we have Pant, Rahul etc when those slots can go to Mumbai players

Edited December 4, 2018 by CSK Fan

[ShoonyaSifar]

Shaw got his chance, Rahane is the vice captain in Tests, Shreyas Iyer captains India A team regularly and occasionally gets India opportunities. Shardul Thakur kept getting picked for national side ahead of deserving players. Thats three batsmen from Mumbai top 6 and a pacer! What more does Gavaskar want?

 

 

[G_B_]

While I dont think there is any bias, as many mumbaikars have been selected,

 

Those looking simply at Lad's average are mislead. He scores when the chips are down and symbolizes the khadoos mentality of Mumbai ranji team which has won a record number of titles and was instrumental in the 2015-2016 win.

 

Not for no reason he is now captaining the side.

 

Deserves his shot in the A team.

 

[UrmiSinhaRay]

While I dont think there is any bias, as many mumbaikars have been selected,
 
Those looking simply at Lad's average are mislead. He scores when the chips are down and symbolizes the khadoos mentality of Mumbai ranji team which has won a record number of titles and was instrumental in the 2015-2016 win.
 
Not for no reason he is now captaining the side.
 
Deserves his shot in the A team.
 

What they fired Dhawal?
Yeah Siddhesh is a good utility player with match winning mentality.
Ab Gavaskar ji ne bolhi Diya-dekh lena he'll play for Indian Within 1 yr

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[Global.Baba]

Don’t agree with Gavaskar. What bias lol?

 

Delhi,TN,Karnataka and Mumbai are the big 4 that can never complain about bias.

 

Hyderabad(back in the day), Punjab and Baroda have also had their share of quotas some deserved and some recommendations. these are the 2nd tier 

 

So many talented players from smaller towns and lesser teams have lost out due to politics it is shameful. 

[Lannister]

11 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

While I dont think there is any bias, as many mumbaikars have been selected,

 

Those looking simply at Lad's average are mislead. He scores when the chips are down and symbolizes the khadoos mentality of Mumbai ranji team which has won a record number of titles and was instrumental in the 2015-2016 win.

 

Not for no reason he is now captaining the side.

 

Deserves his shot in the A team.

 

Karnataka has the most number of Raniji wins in the last 5 years and there's only one player representing Indian Test team. Saying Lad deserves his shot ahead of well deserving players is kind of senseless. 

[Vk1]

With these kind of comments, people may form negative opinion on Lad who is actually a very good middle order player.

[G_B_]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Karnataka has the most number of Raniji wins in the last 5 years and there's only one player representing Indian Test team. Saying Lad deserves his shot ahead of well deserving players is kind of senseless. 

havent they got their shot or atleast an appearance? and why 5 years? Mumbai have won most in the last decade with 4. The likes of Rahane and Dhawal for eg made their Mumbai debut a decade ago. 

 

Rahul, Nair, Uttappa , Pandey , Binny , Aravind, Mithun and VK have all represented India at some level in the last decade.

 

Lastly. You cant really compare the 41 ranji wins of Mumbai with 8 of Karnataka. That are not even in the same league.

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

While I dont think there is any bias, as many mumbaikars have been selected,

 

Those looking simply at Lad's average are mislead. He scores when the chips are down and symbolizes the khadoos mentality of Mumbai ranji team which has won a record number of titles and was instrumental in the 2015-2016 win.

 

Not for no reason he is now captaining the side.

 

Deserves his shot in the A team.

 

Dhawal Kulkarni is captain, Siddesh Lad isn't.

 

Yes, he is scoring runs but there are many batsman across various teams who have outperformed him in runs scored by significant average difference since his debut. Mumbai did not win on his performances only. Shreyas Iyer 1321 runs, Akhil Herwadkar 879 runs, Surya Kumar Yadav 788 runs have all outscored Lad who scored 691 runs. In Final Shreyas Iyer scored 118, Shardul and Dhawal took 5 wickets hauls. 

 

Shardul Thakur took 41 wickets that season.

 

Clearly there were many others who performed much better than Siddesh Lad for Mumbai in that season.  

[G_B_]

6 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Dhawal Kulkarni is captain, Siddesh Lad isn't.

 

Yes, he is scoring runs but there are many batsman across various teams who have outperformed him in runs scored by significant average difference since his debut. Mumbai did not win on his performances only. Shreyas Iyer 1321 runs, Akhil Herwadkar 879 runs, Surya Kumar Yadav 788 runs have all outscored Lad who scored 691 runs. In Final Shreyas Iyer scored 118, Shardul and Dhawal took 5 wickets hauls. 

 

Shardul Thakur took 41 wickets that season.

 

Clearly there were many others who performed much better than Siddesh Lad for Mumbai in that season.  

 Siddhesh Lad to Captain Mumbai Against Maharashtra

 

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/ranji-trophy-2018-19-siddhesh-lad-to-captain-mumbai-against-maharashtra-1959473.html

[Straight Drive]

3 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 Siddhesh Lad to Captain Mumbai Against Maharashtra

 

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/ranji-trophy-2018-19-siddhesh-lad-to-captain-mumbai-against-maharashtra-1959473.html

That is next match.  It just shows that he is being tried as captain as Dhawal the senior most Mumbai player is injured and team isn't doing well too so far this year so they have picked him.  Aditya Tare was captain when Mumbai won Ranji Trophy last. Aditya Tare is vice captain who often helps in field settings and he is second most in seniority to Dhawal Kularni as far as experience goes in Mumbai team.  Selecting Siddesh Lad does not shows that whether he is successful captain or not?  At the most it shows that the think tank is going for someone who has more than  decade of cricket left and has 5 years of experience as well as well settled in squad i.e. Siddesh Lad.  Other option was Surya Kumar Yadav but he is few years elder than him.  Moreover India A is not in captaincy crisis so it does not matter whether Siddesh Lad is given captaincy or not for next match.

 

India A needs top run scorers.  Players who have scored 900 - 1400 runs a season.  Not someone who scores 400 -700 runs a season.  There are many of those types in Ranji cricket.

[Lannister]

46 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

havent they got their shot or atleast an appearance? and why 5 years? Mumbai have won most in the last decade with 4.

Last five years is a reasonable amount of time to look into a player's current form. There are 10-15 players better than Lad at the moment in the India A alone and if you look in to their stats, they are even better than Lad's. 

 

51 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Rahul, Nair, Uttappa , Pandey , Binny , Aravind, Mithun and VK have all represented India at some level in the last decade.

How many opportunities did Nair get before he was discarded from the team. And Manish Pandey didn't play for Indian Test team. So these players have been in the contention for a much longer period and their stats look even better than someone like Lad

 

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

Lastly. You cant really compare the 41 ranji wins of Mumbai with 8 of Karnataka. That are not even in the same league.

Well, it's been a long time since we got a World class player from Mumbai. So it is just a myth, circulated by some bigots, that they produce lot of quality players. India is yet to win a Tests series in Australia and SA, and it took them almost 30 years to win another WC.