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[cricketrulez]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Whats the realistic solution to a psychopathic killer stalking your neighborhood ? Two options : confrontation or access denial. 

 

yup, let him know he will be dog meat if he look at you the wrong way.

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, cricketrulez said:

yup, let him know he will be dog meat if he look at you the wrong way.

Sure. 
Or you build Fort Knox and the moment he steps foot inside the perimeter a thousand guns put their beads on him. 

What you DON'T do is tell the psychopath killer he is a bad dude, have him over for tea but he can't stay for dinner coz he is a bad dude and occasionally steal his newspapers & milk deliveries to 'teach him a lesson for being a poopy person'. 

 

[cricketrulez]

14 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure. 
Or you build Fort Knox and the moment he steps foot inside the perimeter a thousand guns put their beads on him. 

What you DON'T do is tell the psychopath killer he is a bad dude, have him over for tea but he can't stay for dinner coz he is a bad dude and occasionally steal his newspapers & milk deliveries to 'teach him a lesson for being a poopy person'. 

 

Not much I can disagree with here. India needs to shed itself of the Gandhi-nehru virus and make a clear cut decision. 

[coffee_rules]

21 hours ago, cricketrulez said:

Not much I can disagree with here. India needs to shed itself of the Gandhi-nehru virus and make a clear cut decision. 

That is why it is important to have a national narrative to drive policies that affect the nation.  Any talk of a narrative, is shot down by liberals with all kinds of western constructs like post-modernism, post-colonialism, sub-altern studies, saying it is bad to be nationalistic. Every great nation has a narrative that builds their societies. American Exceptionalism, Chinese heritage with civilization philosophy (they are moving from Maoism to Confucianism, even Japanese follow their identity with fervor about how their Buddhist/Shinto civilization makes them what they are. Here, these communists and liberals will call such communal, nationalistic and majoritarian! It's all Brahminical Patriarchy for them, even for Jack the Twitter idiot.

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

That is why it is important to have a national narrative to drive policies that affect the nation.  Any talk of a narrative, is shot down by liberals with all kinds of western constructs like post-modernism, post-colonialism, sub-altern studies, saying it is bad to be nationalistic.

We also shoot it down because unlike a national narrative that is accurate, hinduvta wants to make a FALSE narrative to suit its purposes. 

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Every great nation has a narrative that builds their societies. American Exceptionalism, Chinese heritage with civilization philosophy (they are moving from Maoism to Confucianism, even Japanese follow their identity with fervor about how their Buddhist/Shinto civilization makes them what they are. Here, these communists and liberals will call such communal, nationalistic and majoritarian! It's all Brahminical Patriarchy for them, even for Jack the Twitter idiot.

Yeah last i checked, Japan does not invent nonsense history nor does it consider western scholarly input to be bunk, all the while giving platform to psuedo-intellectuals with zero proper qualifications to push their agenda. 

Don't compare Indian nationalists with Japanese patriots - Indian nationalists are like children- petulant, lost and often wrong.

[cricketrulez]

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

We also shoot it down because unlike a national narrative that is accurate, hinduvta wants to make a FALSE narrative to suit its purposes. 

Yeah last i checked, Japan does not invent nonsense history nor does it consider western scholarly input to be bunk, all the while giving platform to psuedo-intellectuals with zero proper qualifications to push their agenda. 

Don't compare Indian nationalists with Japanese patriots - Indian nationalists are like children- petulant, lost and often wrong.

Hope you are not throwing yourself with the kongressi pseudo liberals where idiocy of one fairy tale is sacred while the other is bunk.

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, cricketrulez said:

Hope you are not throwing yourself with the kongressi pseudo liberals where idiocy of one fairy tale is sacred while the other is bunk.

No. 

I am in 'none of the above camp'. Would prefer BJP for their economic policies but their social policies and mentalities are ghastly. Just as ghastly as congress's.  

 

I am a pucca atheist - all fairytales are bunk. I am also a realist- which means i consider certain fairytales ( desert related for eg) far more harmful than others. 

 

I simply have no time for hinduvta garbage, that is rooted in psuedo-intellectualism and spreading nonsensical ideas about our history, which is one of the most complex, syncretic and unique in the world. In a nutshell, congressis simply do not care about the complexities of Indian history and the BJP types simply lack the brainpower to comprehend it. 

[rkt.india]

On 12/10/2018 at 2:08 AM, MechEng said:

That line "Yeh naya hindustan hai, ghus ke marega" is so disturbing, not empowering at all. We'll become like yanks hating on Russia of the 80's.

so what is wrong with that? Check the context her. They killed many soldiers in Uri and Arm is planning a retreat.  What is wrong in that? You would want them to not do anything and wait for another attack and lose more soldiers?

[Yoda-esque]

That is why it is important to have a national narrative to drive policies that affect the nation.  Any talk of a narrative, is shot down by liberals with all kinds of western constructs like post-modernism, post-colonialism, sub-altern studies, saying it is bad to be nationalistic. Every great nation has a narrative that builds their societies. American Exceptionalism, Chinese heritage with civilization philosophy (they are moving from Maoism to Confucianism, even Japanese follow their identity with fervor about how their Buddhist/Shinto civilization makes them what they are. Here, these communists and liberals will call such communal, nationalistic and majoritarian! It's all Brahminical Patriarchy for them, even for Jack the Twitter idiot.

Japan is natioanlist,make no mistakd.Anf one reason they are that way is because theu have banned immigration.country us homogenous and thinks in one direction.
Unlike india.

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[goose]

embarrassing.

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

so what is wrong with that? Check the context her. They killed many soldiers in Uri and Arm is planning a retreat.  What is wrong in that? You would want them to not do anything and wait for another attack and lose more soldiers?

That line is not empowering, it will make public more cranky than being level headed. A movie will not change how army will respond to Pakistan's aggression in future but it will definitely have some impact on people's psyche.

There is a difference between being aggressive and being assertive. 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, MechEng said:

That line is not empowering, it will make public more cranky than being level headed. A movie will not change how army will respond to Pakistan's aggression in future but it will definitely have some impact on people's psyche.

There is a difference between being aggressive and being assertive. 

Yep. If Indian nationalists want to understand this concept, they should study Israel. They don't make movies and tv shows about jihadi Palestinians and great IDF. They make movies about love stories, heists, adventures etc - the normal masala stuff. But their defense forces are the king-kong of 'muh-tor jawaab' ideology.

 

[cricketrulez]

5 hours ago, MechEng said:

That line is not empowering, it will make public more cranky than being level headed. A movie will not change how army will respond to Pakistan's aggression in future but it will definitely have some impact on people's psyche.

There is a difference between being aggressive and being assertive. 

Still no realistic solution huh?

Edited December 11, 2018 by cricketrulez

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, MechEng said:

That line is not empowering, it will make public more cranky than being level headed. A movie will not change how army will respond to Pakistan's aggression in future but it will definitely have some impact on people's psyche.

There is a difference between being aggressive and being assertive. 

it does not matter what Indian public thinks about Pakistan because Indian public is not attacking them or killing people in Pakistan.  Indian public is busy earning daily meals and dealing with other issues irrespective of what dialogue they have in the film.

[Straight Drive]

Border was a box office hit. Looking forward to this as well.  

[Straight Drive]

On 12/9/2018 at 4:30 AM, NareshK said:

Patriotism is needed in still developing countries like India. Some kids in India these days think its fashionable to be not patriotic because they ape mentality of people who live in developed countries. They have no clue about reality.

 

 

 

Debatable whether to involve youths in some events.  Personally i feel youths must be kept away from some events. It can cause trauma and have psychological impact.  I think they are patriotic though but upto a certain extent, which is understandable.  Things were very different in in past century.

Edited December 12, 2018 by Straight Drive

[FischerTal]

 

hopefully it starts of a new wave of war movies in India. 

[MechEng]

On 12/11/2018 at 11:42 AM, Muloghonto said:

Yep. If Indian nationalists want to understand this concept, they should study Israel. They don't make movies and tv shows about jihadi Palestinians and great IDF. They make movies about love stories, heists, adventures etc - the normal masala stuff. But their defense forces are the king-kong of 'muh-tor jawaab' ideology.

 

True. Let war belong to the place it deserves - battlefield, not movie theatres.

[MechEng]

On 12/12/2018 at 12:50 AM, rkt.india said:

it does not matter what Indian public thinks about Pakistan because Indian public is not attacking them or killing people in Pakistan.  Indian public is busy earning daily meals and dealing with other issues irrespective of what dialogue they have in the film.

Then what is the purpose of movies? 

 

Look, in the 19th century the middle east was peaceful place, heck even in 1960s there was the hippie trail where white people drove their minivans from London to Banaras via Eastern Europe, Turkey, Iraq and Pakistan. Then how did things go bad? During Cold War era, Americans brainwashed and manufactured Jihadis to keep Soviet Union in check. This is where modern terrorism began.

 

I'm not saying Indians will become terrorists after watching bhadkau movies, but still the impact is not positive.  

[gattaca]

23 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Then what is the purpose of movies? 

 

Look, in the 19th century the middle east was peaceful place, heck even in 1960s there was the hippie trail where white people drove their minivans from London to Banaras via Eastern Europe, Turkey, Iraq and Pakistan. Then how did things go bad? During Cold War era, Americans brainwashed and manufactured Jihadis to keep Soviet Union in check. This is where modern terrorism began.

 

I'm not saying Indians will become terrorists after watching bhadkau movies, but still the impact is not positive.  

In 60s people just came out of British rule all sub continent countries. Religion didn't had much role before. This movie doesn't brainwash. This movie is not bhadkau at least it will help more people join army.