'insulted the Prophet Mohammed', says his Pakistani killer

[cricketrulez]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-insulted-Mohammed-says-Pakistani-killer.html

An Irish university lecturer stabbed to death by one of his former students had allegedly ‘insulted the Prophet Mohammed', his killer has told French police.

The 66-year-old academic, named locally as John Dowling, was attacked and stabbed 13 times outside the Parisuniversity where he worked on Wednesday. 

Ali R., a 37-year-old Pakistani national, has confessed to the killing and told police he held a personal grudge against the teacher after failing his exams last year.

Arrested: Ali R. was arrested at the scene after stabbing Irish university lecturer John Dowling, 66, to death outside the Leonardo de Vinci university in Paris 

Ali – whose surname has not been disclosed by the French authorities – is due to be indicted for murder in Paris today for the attack outside the Leonardo de Vinci private university in La Defense business district.

Catherine Denis, the Nanterre prosecutor involved in the case, said Ali harboured an ‘obsessive resentment’ against the university for kicking him out in September 2017.

‘He came to France two years ago to join the management school, but did not pass his first year,’ she said.

‘Since then he had been returning to the college, and had become unwanted to the point that he was not allowed in any more.’

CCTV footage shows Mr Dowling chatting calmly with Ali at around midday, before the attacker took out a steak knife and plunged it into the Irishman’s throat, and then into his chest.

Ali R claimed that Mr Dowling, who had taught English and international relations at the university for two decades, had insulted Islam.

Ali has told police that the teacher had made fun of his Muslim religion during English classes at the university.

‘He produced a drawing, which he showed off in class, insulting the Prophet Mohammed,’ Ali said, according to Ms Denis.

Despite this claim, Ms Denis said ‘nobody remembers such an incident. ‘We don’t have proof of radicalization, but rather a feeling that we’re dealing with someone who is very religious, very pious, very practicing.’

Insulting the Prophet Mohammed is one of the gravest insults to Islam, and has directly led to terrorist atrocities in France.

In January 2015, two gunmen linked to Al-Qaeda murdered 12 people at the Paris offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, after it published insulting cartoons of the Prophet.

Ms Denis said Ali R. was not known to the intelligence services, but was an ‘obsessive patriot’ from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

This Twitter picture appears to show the aftermath of the fatal stabbing outside the Leonardo De Vinci private university on Wednesday afternoon

He had just renewed his residency permit to stay in France, and had bought the steak knife from a supermarket close to the university.

There are indications that he may have arranged to meet his victim, and police are combing through telephone and email records to try and establish a link.

He has confirmed that he enrolled in a bachelor’s management course for foreigners at De Vinci in September 2016, but was forced to leave in August 2017 after failing his exams.

Mr Dowling had taught English and international relations at the university for two decades, and had made numerous friends there, including plenty of overseas students.

La Defense – a concrete and glass suburb which contains the head offices of some of the biggest banks and businesses in France – has been a target for Islamic State terrorists since at least 2014.

Despite this, detectives have so far ruled out any links between the attacker and jihadi groups.

On Friday, tributes continued to pour in for Mr Dowling, who had been due to retire at the end of this academic year.

There was a minute’s silence outside the university on Thursday, before the Irish national anthem was played and a crowd gathered around a green-white-and-orange Tricolour.

Pascal Brouaye, head of the college, said: ‘Since yesterday, messages of friendship have overwhelmed us like a tsunami.

‘It shows how much John was appreciated by students and graduates. The minute’s silence was intense and it was followed by beautiful music, played on the piano by a student of the school.’

 

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[cricketrulez]

surprised seculars and WKK's haven't shown up to defend religion peace and our friendly neighbors

[beetle]

Looks more like an attempt to get sympathy and hero- dom from religious fanatics  after the personal revenge attack.

 

Let these fundus into the country and suffer.

 

 

[Alam_dar]

10 hours ago, cricketrulez said:

surprised seculars and WKK's haven't shown up to defend religion peace and our friendly neighbors

What do you want us to do?

 

Start killing all the Muslims like they have been killed in Burma?

 

Sorry, this right wing extremist approach from you is wrong. Your Hindutva/Christian fanaticism will only bring more Islamic fanaticism. 

 

The answer to this Muslim Extremism is not the Right Wing Hindutva or Right Wing Christianity, while they are almost es evil es extremist Muslims. 

 

Sure the left wing humanists have made a mistake in order to estimate the evil of the Islamic extremism. Hopefully they learn from it and reform their mistakes. 

 

A movement has already been started against all the religious bigotry, and especially against Islam. People are not now getting the education and they have successfully started refuting the Islamic arguments and they are now very successfully criticizing Islam as compared to the past. 

 

We are already making holes in the ranks of Islam. No other religion ever succeeded in doing it through out the history, while every religion has it's own evils which Muslims very successfully exploit. It is only the Atheism from which Muslims are totally afraid today. 

 

Nobody could preach atheism in Muslim countries. But automatically people (Muslims) leaving Islam and atheism is spreading at it's own. 

 

And now we know that we could break the back of Islam (and all the religions) through modern science and modern Secular values which teaches us the human values. It will take some time. We have to restrict the killings by Muslims till that time. But surely we will defeat them sooner or later through education. 

 

While Hindutva policy of forcefully imposing the movement of "Ghar Wapsi" will bring only the negative results. 

 

 

[Alam_dar]

20 minutes ago, beetle said:

Looks more like an attempt to get sympathy and hero- dom from religious fanatics  after the personal revenge attack.

Let these fundus into the country and suffer.

Yes, I fully agree.

I also believe that the Secular West should rethink about their some policies. 

Fundos don't deserve any human rights. 

[mishra]

He is using the Sharia law used in Pakistan to justify killing a non Muslims/ kafir.

France is yet to become Pakistan, allthough not very far.

 

[Texy]

what a hypocrite and he renewed his visa to stay in kafir country.

[Singh bling]

7 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

What do you want us to do?

 

Start killing all the Muslims like they have been killed in Burma?

 

Sorry, this right wing extremist approach from you is wrong. Your Hindutva/Christian fanaticism will only bring more Islamic fanaticism. 

 

The answer to this Muslim Extremism is not the Right Wing Hindutva or Right Wing Christianity, while they are almost es evil es extremist Muslims. 

 

Sure the left wing humanists have made a mistake in order to estimate the evil of the Islamic extremism. Hopefully they learn from it and reform their mistakes. 

 

A movement has already been started against all the religious bigotry, and especially against Islam. People are not now getting the education and they have successfully started refuting the Islamic arguments and they are now very successfully criticizing Islam as compared to the past. 

 

We are already making holes in the ranks of Islam. No other religion ever succeeded in doing it through out the history, while every religion has it's own evils which Muslims very successfully exploit. It is only the Atheism from which Muslims are totally afraid today. 

 

Nobody could preach atheism in Muslim countries. But automatically people (Muslims) leaving Islam and atheism is spreading at it's own. 

 

And now we know that we could break the back of Islam (and all the religions) through modern science and modern Secular values which teaches us the human values. It will take some time. We have to restrict the killings by Muslims till that time. But surely we will defeat them sooner or later through education. 

 

While Hindutva policy of forcefully imposing the movement of "Ghar Wapsi" will bring only the negative results. 

 

 

I don't think you are right. Only right wing can stop right wing of other religion. Liberals just surrender their religion , culture and country. Pakistan always made fun of Congress party of India , never accepted them as seculars but for first time in history they are realising how good congress had been to muslims. This I read in an article of dawn. 

 

As far west is concerned unless they use iron hands on Right wing muslims they will keep facing these type of attacks .

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Singh bling said:

I don't think you are right. Only right wing can stop right wing of other religion. Liberals just surrender their religion , culture and country. Pakistan always made fun of Congress party of India , never accepted them as seculars but for first time in history they are realising how good congress had been to muslims. This I read in an article of dawn. 

 

As far west is concerned unless they use iron hands on Right wing muslims they will keep facing these type of attacks .

Err, the last century and the current CPC government is proving that the all-time champions of stopping right wing, middle wing- the entire FRICKING BIRD of religion- are godless commies. 

Pretty much the ONLY good thing about them in my books. 

 

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, Singh bling said:

I don't think you are right. Only right wing can stop right wing of other religion. Liberals just surrender their religion , culture and country. Pakistan always made fun of Congress party of India , never accepted them as seculars but for first time in history they are realising how good congress had been to muslims. This I read in an article of dawn. 

 

As far west is concerned unless they use iron hands on Right wing muslims they will keep facing these type of attacks .

If Muslims keep on doing Terrorism, then surely it is going to be transformed into formation of  "Extremist Secularists", which will not be LIBERAL against the extremist Muslims. 

 

For example, I am already a person who is absolutely not "Liberal" against the extremist Muslims and I want very strict laws against them, and compel whole Muslim community to accept the "UN Charter of Human Rights". Anyone opposing this charter, should not be tolerated. Anyone going against it, should be heavily punished, both the individuals and the Muslim states. 

 

Nevertheless, killing or exploitation of Normal law abiding Muslims is never going to be on my list (as Right Wing Hindutva are trying to impose "Ghar Wapsi" and even making life of normal Muslims miserable. 

 

Once Muslim community changes into harmless community (just like Christians or Jews of today, who accepted the Secular System), then there is absolutely no problem in living with peace with these moderate Muslims, just like I have no problems with moderate Christians/Jews/Hindus and they are to be respected as human beings. 

 

While right wing Hindutva type movements will become themselves a problem sooner or later and they are not a part of solution. 

 

The atheist movement has just taken it's birth on the internet (somewhere like in year 2010). It will take some time to mature. But the potential I see in it is immense. And I believe we could change the world with sanity and only through discussions, without using any force. If not the present generations, but surely the younger generations will change them at rapid pace. 

 

[Aiden]

Looks like French didnt learned after Charlie Hebdo shooting. They think they can keep getting away with insulting Prophet. 

[Singh bling]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Err, the last century and the current CPC government is proving that the all-time champions of stopping right wing, middle wing- the entire FRICKING BIRD of religion- are godless commies. 

Pretty much the ONLY good thing about them in my books. 

 

Commies are dead against majority religion of the country from which they mostly belong but turn blind eye toward right wing of other religions. Communists parties in India hardly demanded abolition of triple talaq , or implementation of universal civil code because it will keep them on similar side where right wing is. 

 

If your religion is under threat from right wing of other religion then commies are last thing you want to trust.

Edited December 9, 2018 by Singh bling

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Commies are dead against majority religion of the country from which they mostly belong but turn blind eye toward right wing of other religions. Communists parties in India hardly demanded abolition of triple talaq , or implementation of universal civil code because it will keep them on similar side where right wing is. 

 

If your religion is under threat from right wing of other religion then commies are last thing you want to trust.

Um Helloooo...Commies are the reason why Uyghur muslims are being de-programmed from Islam in a country where muslims make up less than 1% of the population.

70 years of commie-ism = ZERO terrorists/Islamists from Chechnya, Uzbekistan and central Asian countries. 25 years of post communism = Chechen extremism and Uzbeks being the largest 'foreign fighters' in Afghanistan & Syria for islamists. 
The evidence is crystal clear. Commies are the best at getting rid of ALL religious right wing, middle wing, left wing and the whole fricking plane itself. 

 

[cricketrulez]

1 hour ago, Aiden said:

Looks like French didnt learned after Charlie Hebdo shooting. They think they can keep getting away with insulting Prophet. 

whose prophet? your prophet not their prophet. Don't complain islamophobia when islam is equated to terrorism

 

[cricketrulez]

42 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Um Helloooo...Commies are the reason why Uyghur muslims are being de-programmed from Islam in a country where muslims make up less than 1% of the population.

70 years of commie-ism = ZERO terrorists/Islamists from Chechnya, Uzbekistan and central Asian countries. 25 years of post communism = Chechen extremism and Uzbeks being the largest 'foreign fighters' in Afghanistan & Syria for islamists. 
The evidence is crystal clear. Commies are the best at getting rid of ALL religious right wing, middle wing, left wing and the whole fricking plane itself. 

 

Doesn't apply to indian commies. Indian commies are a weird bunch.

[Aiden]

3 hours ago, cricketrulez said:

whose prophet? your prophet not their prophet. Don't complain islamophobia when islam is equated to terrorism

 

Whose ever Prophet. Point is they dont learn. They are worse than laton kay bhoot who atleast learn after getting phainta. 

[Muloghonto]

56 minutes ago, Aiden said:

Whose ever Prophet. Point is they dont learn. They are worse than laton kay bhoot who atleast learn after getting phainta. 

There is nothing to learn, except how to infiltrate mosques and make the imams in their nations tow the peaceful line or let them 'have an accident', along with seriously screening immigrants from muslim nations, especially young single males, for security risks. 

When a bully comes and steals your lunch money, you don't learn how to hand it over in 2 seconds, you learn how to f-up the bully. Same applies here. 

 

[cricketrulez]

1 hour ago, Aiden said:

Whose ever Prophet. Point is they dont learn. They are worse than laton kay bhoot who atleast learn after getting phainta. 

meh. you can't be afraid of islamic terrorist pigs. shoot them and treat like pigs they are when they beg for asylum. simple

[Alam_dar]

I can imagine why communists in USSR had better success against Islamist extremists as compared to the right wing of any other religion. Communism was not directly against Islam, and it didn't have the evils of race or caste. It did have a universal message of equality of human beings. It did turn the Muslims into real communists from heart (even without use of power), and this is a thing which right wing of any other religion was never able to achieve. 

 

Let us take an example of Pakistan.

USSR never came to Pakistan and it never controlled it. But still the ideology of communism came to Pakistan and there were hundreds of thousands of Pakistani Muslims including many intellectuals and professors who were influenced from it and they accepted it (even without the use of any force). 

 

In India too, communist ideology came and it influenced millions of Indian Hindus/Muslims/Christians, and this conversion took place without use of any force.  

 

Now show me, how many Indian Muslims accepted Hinduism "from heart" through the "Ghar Wapsi" movement of the extremist right wing Hindus (who are using the force)? This right wing Hindutva movement is only causing more and more hatred among the Muslim community, and it is not influencing the Muslims to convert towards Hinduism "from heart". 

 

I just hope you people are able to see this difference between communism and the right wing of other religions. 

 

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Nevertheless, I feel that the challenges of today are different than the time of USSR. 

Earlier Communism was like grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Thus people wanted to taste the grass on the other side. USSR as super power at back of communism a big incentive to believe in this ideology. 

But today situation is different. 

Communism failed in Russia. 

And Muslims were radicalised during the last 30-40 years. 

Therefore, I don't see communism is having any impacts upon the minds of the Pakistani Muslims any more, and no conversion is taking place any more. 

Actually, communism stopped having any impact upon Chechens, Uzbeks, Tatars etc. 

 

And China's socialist system has also failed to impress the Chinese Muslims. Therefore, China has to use a lot of force in order to keep Chinese Muslims royal to the Chinsese Socialist System. 

 

If you could not change people "from heart", but only through "force", then such systems are not reliable. 

 

Today, I see only one ideology, which is having success in turning Muslims away from Islam "from their hearts", and that is atheism. 

 

[Muloghonto]

33 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I can imagine why communists in USSR had better success against Islamist extremists as compared to the right wing of any other religion. Communism was not directly against Islam, and it didn't have the evils of race or caste. It did have a universal message of equality of human beings. It did turn the Muslims into real communists from heart (even without use of power), and this is a thing which right wing of any other religion was never able to achieve. 

 

Let us take an example of Pakistan.

USSR never came to Pakistan and it never controlled it. But still the ideology of communism came to Pakistan and there were hundreds of thousands of Pakistani Muslims including many intellectuals and professors who were influenced from it and they accepted it (even without the use of any force). 

 

In India too, communist ideology came and it influenced millions of Indian Hindus/Muslims/Christians, and this conversion took place without use of any force.  

 

Now show me, how many Indian Muslims accepted Hinduism "from heart" through the "Ghar Wapsi" movement of the extremist right wing Hindus (who are using the force)? This right wing Hindutva movement is only causing more and more hatred among the Muslim community, and it is not influencing the Muslims to convert towards Hinduism "from heart". 

 

I just hope you people are able to see this difference between communism and the right wing of other religions. 

 

===

 

Nevertheless, I feel that the challenges of today are different than the time of USSR. 

Earlier Communism was like grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Thus people wanted to taste the grass on the other side. USSR as super power at back of communism a big incentive to believe in this ideology. 

But today situation is different. 

Communism failed in Russia. 

And Muslims were radicalised during the last 30-40 years. 

Therefore, I don't see communism is having any impacts upon the minds of the Pakistani Muslims any more, and no conversion is taking place any more. 

Actually, communism stopped having any impact upon Chechens, Uzbeks, Tatars etc. 

 

And China's socialist system has also failed to impress the Chinese Muslims. Therefore, China has to use a lot of force in order to keep Chinese Muslims royal to the Chinsese Socialist System. 

 

If you could not change people "from heart", but only through "force", then such systems are not reliable. 

 

Today, I see only one ideology, which is having success in turning Muslims away from Islam "from their hearts", and that is atheism. 

 

China does not have a socialist system. Not in the least bit.