mancalledsting Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 In his home conditions he is clearly an exceptional bowler. But overseas, it has been a story of poor performance, poorly captained by Dhoni, not being backed up by a good fast bowling unit, injury, exclusion and at times pure bad luck. For one reason or another, that definitive away performance remains elusive. But that can all change on day 5. There is some turn + a few left handers in the Aussie side. Australia will be under pressure chasing a sizeable total on a sluggish wicket. He already has two wickets in the bag at reasonable return. He will start day 5 fresh. All he has to do is not try too hard and the rest will come- stick to the basics and bring it home Ash! The Dark Horse, sandeep, UrmiSinhaRay and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 His real test was in SA & Eng where he failed. I know he can easily get Australian batsman tomorrow but even if he fails tomorrow shami and bumrah will finish the job for india. Ashwin turning ball on 5th day pitch against this poor Australian batting won't define his overseas career. flamy, Sidhoni, Singh bling and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 The only way it defines his career is if he doesn't get wickets and Australia wins. UrmiSinhaRay, nevada and zep1706 1 2 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nikola said: His real test was in SA & Eng where he failed. I know he can easily get Australian batsman tomorrow but even if he fails tomorrow shami and bumrah will finish the job for india. Ashwin turning ball on 5th day pitch against this poor Australian batting won't define his overseas career. It's almost the same Aus side minus two players. How many times have we had to play without our guns? That won't take away from the sweetness of the achievement. Australia don't look back at their 2005 victory in India and say 'we only won because they opened with Yuvraj and Irfan Pathan' In South Africa- first test was a pure seamers wicket- whatever he bowled he did well considering. Second test he was denied a 6 for by horrible India fielding. Third test he didn't play as it was another pure seamers wicket. Not sure how that constitutes failing. in England- he started strongly in first test. 2nd test was a pure seamers wicket. After that the guy was playing injured. I would still blame him though, he should have insisted to sit out if he was unfit. He's brought us back into this game with Aus's first batting innings and has a chance to win it in their final innings. Let's keep his overseas performances in this SENA round in perspective. Edited December 9, 2018 by mancalledsting sandeep, UrmiSinhaRay and SrinjayDutta 3 Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 He seems to have an issue pitching the ball in footholes created by seamers. We saw that in Southampton when Moeen Ali was troubling our batsman from rough but Ashwin was just darting. Same thing happening in this test. There is a blackhole kinda patch on the surface and Lyon was constantly pitching there. Even Murali Vijay was threating their batsmen by pitching on those footholes. But Ashwin was hardly using that rough and was simply darting. Not sure why its so difficult for a bowler of Ashwin's calibre to just flight the ball and pitch it on the rough? Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk UrmiSinhaRay and cowboysfan 1 1 Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 VK needs to be cool even if a wicket doesn't fall till lunch. If he panics, the players will too. Just a matter of 3 wickets. mancalledsting and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) didn't turn it on in the final innings like he should have. Tries far too many variations. Has no patience- tries something different every ball. Having said that, because of his solid contribution in both innings in this first test he will be picked for second test but he still has a huge question mark over his career with not even a single match winning performance in a SENA test. Edited December 10, 2018 by mancalledsting Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 hours ago, mancalledsting said: didn't turn it on in the final innings like he should have. Tries far too many variations. Has no patience- tries something different every ball. Having said that, because of his solid contribution in both innings in this first test he will be picked for second test but he still has a huge question mark over his career with not even a single match winning performance in a SENA test. And that too after getting favorable conditions in at least one match in each series. Link to comment
gattaca Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 hours ago, mancalledsting said: didn't turn it on in the final innings like he should have. Tries far too many variations. Has no patience- tries something different every ball. Having said that, because of his solid contribution in both innings in this first test he will be picked for second test but he still has a huge question mark over his career with not even a single match winning performance in a SENA test. I think there was a clear plan from TM after listening to kohli post match conference. They wanted ashwin to be enforcer and control flow of flows because kohli mentions we didn’t enough runs after the pitch slowed down. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 10 hours ago, gattaca said: I think there was a clear plan from TM after listening to kohli post match conference. They wanted ashwin to be enforcer and control flow of flows because kohli mentions we didn’t enough runs after the pitch slowed down. but at the same time VK said this performance is a 'good start' meaning that he expects more from Ashwin. particularly on tracks where Nathan Lyon performs well- there is no excuse UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Ashwin does not impart side spin as Lyon, is that is the reason he was unable to use the rough.??? Still he should have been able to land balls on rough. What is more disappointing is the ease at which their righties including tail handled him.He should have wrapped up the innings a lot earlier, he was trying but maybe he is not good enough. Sehwag was able to spin more than Bhajji on some wickets.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, mancalledsting said: but at the same time VK said this performance is a 'good start' meaning that he expects more from Ashwin. particularly on tracks where Nathan Lyon performs well- there is no excuse Nathan Lyon is playing at home. Wasn’t he a pitch curator here before he became an international cricketer? Anyways he ended up with 2 more wickets than Ashwin and atleast had 3-4 wickets gifted to him by a team trying to declare. Some of the wickets he got where out of atrocious shots. Shami,Pant and Rohit all gifted him easy wickets where as Aussies were putting a price on their wickets when Ahswin was bowling. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Nathan Lyon is playing at home. Wasn’t he a pitch curator here before he became an international cricketer? Anyways he ended up with 2 more wickets than Ashwin and atleast had 3-4 wickets gifted to him by a team trying to declare. Some of the wickets he got where out of atrocious shots. Shami,Pant and Rohit all gifted him easy wickets where as Aussies were putting a price on their wickets when Ahswin was bowling. I knew somebody would say that. That excuse no longer applies when Lyon has become successful bowler in the subcontinent. Ashwin needs to emulate him- as he has an equally good pace attack to back him up and create pressure. Ashwin was gifted some wickets in his first innings too. Rohit didn't gift his wicket- he just had no clue how to play him. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Ashwin bowled well in patches on the final day. Could have had 2 more wickets actually but yes he was inconsistent and bowled some atrocious overs in between and was overwhelmed with the rough patches. we expected him to run through Aussies but what we got instead was a tight marathon spell. Hence the outrage but it wasn’t a poor performance by any benchmark. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, putrevus said: Ashwin does not impart side spin as Lyon, is that is the reason he was unable to use the rough.??? Still he should have been able to land balls on rough. What is more disappointing is the ease at which their righties including tail handled him. He should have wrapped up the innings a lot earlier, he was trying but maybe he is not good enough. Sehwag was able to spin more than Bhajji on some wickets. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sehwag consistently turned it more than Bhajji- but turn is only one aspect of a spinners performance. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, mancalledsting said: I knew somebody would say that. That excuse no longer applies when Lyon has become successful bowler in the subcontinent. Ashwin needs to emulate him- as he has an equally good pace attack to back him up and create pressure. Ashwin was gifted some wickets in his first innings too. Rohit didn't gift his wicket- he just had no clue how to play him. The point is ,Nathan Lyon did not totally outbowl him by a distance or run through the Indian side like people are making it seem here. Both were on par. Lyon was more consistent where as Ashwin bowled some quality overs but tried too much in between. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Ashwin bowled well in patches on the final day. Could have had 2 more wickets actually but yes he was inconsistent and bowled some atrocious overs in between and was overwhelmed with the rough patches. we expected him to run through Aussies but what we got instead was a tight marathon spell. Hence the outrage but it wasn’t a poor performance by any benchmark. definitely wasn't a poor performance but not a performance of an ATG spinner either. It was a solid spinner performance e.g. Paul Harris/Ashley Giles type performance. Ashwin wants to be considered along side Murali and Warne. Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, mancalledsting said: definitely wasn't a poor performance but not a performance of an ATG spinner either. It was a solid spinner performance e.g. Paul Harris/Ashley Giles type performance. Ashwin wants to be considered along side Murali and Warne. That’s were we need to temper our expectations as that is never going to happen. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Global.Baba said: The point is ,Nathan Lyon did not totally outbowl him by a distance or run through the Indian side like people are making it seem here. Both were on par. Lyon was more consistent where as Ashwin bowled some quality overs but tried too much in between. Lyon was much better in the second innings. Consistently exploited that rough and made it so hard for Rahane, Pujara and Rohit to score off him. On the other hand- Ashwin was being handled well by tail enders Link to comment
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