Why are India so bad at knocking over the tail ?

[Muloghonto]

I think the rarest sight in cricket is an Indian bowling lineup - at home or otherwise. Why does India struggle so bad to knock over the tail ? And why is this something that Pakistan has always done better than us ? Discuss. 

[Stradlater]

Remember Jason Gillespie saving the test from the jaws of defeat in Chennai 2004.

Why is it that our bowlers seem unable to finish the tailenders off even though they do a great job in getting the proper batsman out?

Edited December 10, 2018 by Stradlater

[Global.Baba]

Full fast and straight and patience is how you get the tail out. Trying too much doesn’t work against the tail. Bumrah is our best death bowler for a reason. Rest all try too much.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Global.Baba said:

Full fast and straight and patience is how you get the tail out. Trying too much doesn’t work against the tail. Bumrah is our best death bowler for a reason. Rest all try too much.

interesting. Fast helps and so does full, but don't know about straight - the all-time king of kings for killing the tail - any tail - was Wasim Akram and he was rarely 'straight' with his bowling...

 

[Global.Baba]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

interesting. Fast helps and so does full, but don't know about straight - the all-time king of kings for killing the tail - any tail - was Wasim Akram and he was rarely 'straight' with his bowling...

 

Most important than all this is patience. The moment a tailenders slogs a few we have been known to go into panic mode both the bowlers and captains.

 

Straight doesn’t mean gun barrel straight but in the right channel 

[sourab10forever]

These are not tailenders.

Just bowl normally.

[Global.Baba]

In recent times my theory may have flaws but in the bygone era my theory of India’s headaches with tail were due to the fact that our premier bowlers were always spinners.

 

Tailenders are more  comfortable against spin than fast bowling even on the dustiest of dust bowls. 

 

This is why we struggled in the past. As a tailenders I would rather face even Kumble than say a Philander 

[Muloghonto]

10 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

In recent times my theory may have flaws but in the bygone era my theory of India’s headaches with tail were due to the fact that our premier bowlers were always spinners.

 

Tailenders are more  comfortable against spin than fast bowling even on the dustiest of dust bowls. 

 

This is why we struggled in the past. As a tailenders I would rather face even Kumble than say a Philander 

Yeah but for some reason, knocking over the tail is a Pakistani speciality - even when they have crap pacers in the team. We need to study why.

 

[Trichromatic]

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artnerships for 8-10th wickets against each opposition

 

Overall figures

Opposition	Partners	Span	Inns	NO	Runs	High	Ave	100	50
v Afghanistan	3	2018-2018	3	0	105	67	35.00	0	1
v Zimbabwe	23	2016-2018	29	1	801	212	28.60	2	2
v Australia	163	2015-2018	216	7	4226	118	20.22	3	23
v England	179	2015-2018	252	9	4800	241	19.75	1	25
v West Indies	108	2015-2018	131	6	2431	117	19.44	1	11
v Sri Lanka	140	2015-2018	190	9	3504	104	19.35	2	15
v Bangladesh	69	2015-2018	82	0	1427	99	17.40	0	7
v New Zealand	108	2015-2018	136	6	2251	95	17.31	0	8
v Ireland	3	2018-2018	3	1	34	28	17.00	0	0
v South Africa	129	2015-2018	182	0	2897	99	15.91	0	9
v India	156	2015-2018	220	2	3271	108	15.00	1	11
v Pakistan	114	2015-2018	150	3	2162	75	14.70	0	6

[Trichromatic]

For 7th wicket to 10th wicket

 

Overall figures

Opposition	Partners	Span	Inns	NO	Runs	High	Ave	100	50
v Ireland	4	2018-2018	4	1	151	117	50.33	1	0
v Afghanistan	4	2018-2018	4	0	140	67	35.00	0	1
v Zimbabwe	33	2016-2018	43	4	1195	212	30.64	2	5
v Australia	211	2015-2018	292	8	6612	199	23.28	5	37
v Sri Lanka	185	2015-2018	260	12	5508	144	22.20	8	20
v England	236	2015-2018	344	10	7159	241	21.43	5	36
v West Indies	147	2015-2018	181	7	3665	148	21.06	2	19
v New Zealand	143	2015-2018	186	7	3624	160	20.24	4	12
v Bangladesh	93	2015-2018	114	3	2200	118*	19.81	1	10
v Pakistan	151	2015-2018	206	5	3711	154	18.46	5	11
v India	214	2015-2018	302	6	5272	108	17.81	3	20
v South Africa	166	2015-2018	246	2	4171	99	17.09	0	14

 

 

 

[gattaca]

India has the best fast bowlers in the world lol

[Muloghonto]

8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

P

artnerships for 8-10th wickets against each opposition

 

Overall figures

Opposition	Partners	Span	Inns	NO	Runs	High	Ave	100	50
v Afghanistan	3	2018-2018	3	0	105	67	35.00	0	1
v Zimbabwe	23	2016-2018	29	1	801	212	28.60	2	2
v Australia	163	2015-2018	216	7	4226	118	20.22	3	23
v England	179	2015-2018	252	9	4800	241	19.75	1	25
v West Indies	108	2015-2018	131	6	2431	117	19.44	1	11
v Sri Lanka	140	2015-2018	190	9	3504	104	19.35	2	15
v Bangladesh	69	2015-2018	82	0	1427	99	17.40	0	7
v New Zealand	108	2015-2018	136	6	2251	95	17.31	0	8
v Ireland	3	2018-2018	3	1	34	28	17.00	0	0
v South Africa	129	2015-2018	182	0	2897	99	15.91	0	9
v India	156	2015-2018	220	2	3271	108	15.00	1	11
v Pakistan	114	2015-2018	150	3	2162	75	14.70	0	6

8th wicket ?! Thats 8-9 batting together. Tail typically starts with the 7th wicket with 4 bowlers, bud. 

[Muloghonto]

8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

For 7th wicket to 10th wicket

 

Overall figures

Opposition	Partners	Span	Inns	NO	Runs	High	Ave	100	50
v Ireland	4	2018-2018	4	1	151	117	50.33	1	0
v Afghanistan	4	2018-2018	4	0	140	67	35.00	0	1
v Zimbabwe	33	2016-2018	43	4	1195	212	30.64	2	5
v Australia	211	2015-2018	292	8	6612	199	23.28	5	37
v Sri Lanka	185	2015-2018	260	12	5508	144	22.20	8	20
v England	236	2015-2018	344	10	7159	241	21.43	5	36
v West Indies	147	2015-2018	181	7	3665	148	21.06	2	19
v New Zealand	143	2015-2018	186	7	3624	160	20.24	4	12
v Bangladesh	93	2015-2018	114	3	2200	118*	19.81	1	10
v Pakistan	151	2015-2018	206	5	3711	154	18.46	5	11
v India	214	2015-2018	302	6	5272	108	17.81	3	20
v South Africa	166	2015-2018	246	2	4171	99	17.09	0	14

 

 

 

yes. 3 years. Pffft. Now lets roll back 20 years...what are the results, champ ?

[express bowling]

Because ... in most cases when the tail arrives ... we stop attacking the better batsman in the partnership and get desperate trying to get the weaker batsman of the partnership in the few balls he faces.

 

We spread the field out  to the better batsman.  We stop doing what we did when the middle order was batting and we succeeded.

 

It is basically down to poor planning. 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, express bowling said:

Because ... in most cases when the tail arrives ... we stop attacking the better batsman in the partnership and get desperate trying to get the weaker batsman of the partnership in the few balls he faces.

 

We spread the field out  to the better batsman.  We stop doing what we did when the middle order was batting and we succeeded.

 

It is basically down to poor planning. 

So basically having crappy captains when it comes to bowler rotation and field placement for the tail. 

Which is what i thought as well.

 

[express bowling]

Just look at Kohli's field placement now

 

No. 11 Hazlewood facing his first ball  ... best bowler Bumrah bowling ... 64 runs to win  ...  Kohli has 2 slips, no gully, no short leg.

 

Basically ... very defensive and reactive captaincy.

[Straight Drive]

Chillax guys, opponents are not minnows and they are playing at their home. 264/9 is not a bad show at all by our bowlers.  In tests there will be the one or two odd partnerships.  

 

Our bowlers have not even allowed them to build a single partnership over 50.

 

Fall of wickets: 1-28 (AJ Finch, 11.6 ov), 2-44 (MS Harris, 16.2 ov), 3-60 (UT Khawaja, 23.3 ov), 4-84 (PSP Handscomb, 36.5 ov), 5-115 (TM Head, 56.4 ov), 6-156 (SE Marsh, 72.1 ov), 7-187 (TD Paine, 84.1 ov), 8-228 (MA Starc, 100.4 ov), 9-259 (PJ Cummins, 108.4 ov)

Edited December 10, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Deleted_User_1]

A win is a win, but disappointing to see the tail scoring so many runs. Indians panicked at the end. 

 

Let’s not get carried away. This is just one win. Bewda is still pond scum and now he will talk big. This will get to the head of the Indian players. After all, these pluckers are known to get complacent. This could easily gone the other way. Indian should have won by 80-100 runs, not 31.

 

Phuck De Bewda!

[rtmohanlal]

We must not forget that  generally  tail enders puts up lot more runs in general at home when compared to abroad.The need  is to

find out the most effective bowling combination  against them

Edited December 10, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[SecondSlip]

Our bowlers need to bowl to the tailenders like they would to top order batsmen. Just keep bowling outside off at 4th and 5th stump. Sooner or later the tailender will edge it. 

 

If specialist batsmen can get dismissed this way, then so can tailenders. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by SecondSlip