Please no Ashwin for the rest of this series

[SK_IH]

Simply not good enough overseas. Time to move on finally

[Muloghonto]

he has bowled pretty well this test. Are you expecting a 5-fer just coz Lyon got one ?!

[SK_IH]

no i am expecting him to make some impact on the 5th day pitch

[gakgupta]

how difficult is to put the ball into the rough...

out of 6 balls, he is not able to put even single delivery out there...

such a shame for intl bowler

whenever he puts the ball on the rough, there is something happening...

lyon could put it pout there 5 times out of 6, out ashwin couldn't do 1 in 6

 

[Number]

Cant get tailenders on an Adelaide 5th day wicket.

Simply rubbish.

 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, SK_IH said:

no i am expecting him to make some impact on the 5th day pitch

Sure, so am I. But only in fantasy world does a finger spinner get dropped in a test in Australia after having match figures of 5-138* (so far). We don't have a capable wrist spinner waiting to take over, so no chance of Ashwin being dropped in the graveyard of finger spinners.

 

[SK_IH]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure, so am I. But only in fantasy world does a finger spinner get dropped in a test in Australia after having match figures of 5-138* (so far). We don't have a capable wrist spinner waiting to take over, so no chance of Ashwin being dropped in the graveyard of finger spinners.

 

thats your opinion, i hope the TM is not as naive as you seem to be

[Muloghonto]

Just now, SK_IH said:

thats your opinion, i hope the TM is not as naive as you seem to be

eh ?  The fact that OZ is the graveyard of visiting finger spinners, is not an opinion, its a fact - cricinfo had an article on it recently. Murali averages 70+ there. Ajmal averages 50+  So does Swann. Harbhajan is close too. 

So 5 wickets @ less than 30 in a test = success for a finger spinner. Its just that simple. 

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure, so am I. But only in fantasy world does a finger spinner get dropped in a test in Australia after having match figures of 5-138* (so far). We don't have a capable wrist spinner waiting to take over, so no chance of Ashwin being dropped in the graveyard of finger spinners.

 

By that logic, will it be ok if India lose this test as team has never won first test in Australia?

[Trichromatic]

Just now, Muloghonto said:

eh ?  The fact that OZ is the graveyard of visiting finger spinners, is not an opinion, its a fact - cricinfo had an article on it recently. Murali averages 70+ there. Ajmal averages 50+  So does Swann. Harbhajan is close too. 

So 5 wickets @ less than 30 in a test = success for a finger spinner. Its just that simple. 

This pitch is far from being graveyard. This is best condition that a finger spinner can get here and he is not making use of it. 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

By that logic, will it be ok if India lose this test as team has never won first test in Australia?

Irrelevant comparison. India losing from a position of 120 runs ahead with 3 wickets left does not mean you drop the finger spinner who's gone above expectation. Last i checked, this bowling attack is not a spin quartet of offies and slow left arm orthodox bowlers.

 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

This pitch is far from being graveyard. This is best condition that a finger spinner can get here and he is not making use of it. 

Err no. Typically the best pitch in OZ for spinners is the SCG.

 

[SK_IH]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

eh ?  The fact that OZ is the graveyard of visiting finger spinners, is not an opinion, its a fact - cricinfo had an article on it recently. Murali averages 70+ there. Ajmal averages 50+  So does Swann. Harbhajan is close too. 

So 5 wickets @ less than 30 in a test = success for a finger spinner. Its just that simple. 

why not try a wrist spinner if we have one especially given the fact Ashwin is a perennial failure overseas

[Trichromatic]

Swann picked a 5-fer and 7-161 against better line up at Adelaide when pitch wasn't graveyard.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/13062/scorecard/428750/australia-vs-england-2nd-test-england-tour-of-australia-2010-11

[Muloghonto]

Just now, SK_IH said:

why not try a wrist spinner if we have one especially given the fact Ashwin is a perennial failure overseas

Because our wrist spinner is a big fat zero in the longer format of the game. That is why. He is there in the team incase we deciede to go 5 bowlers with 2 spinners based on pitch condition. Or if Ashwin gets injured. Thats it.

 

[Trichromatic]

Just now, Muloghonto said:

Err no. Typically the best pitch in OZ for spinners is the SCG.

 

Forget about typically and how Australia is bad for spinners, consider current condtions. It's good enough for him and he is not doing well.

[Global.Baba]

Ashwin is kind of the easiest punching bag. Yes he has been inconsistent and poor but he has bowled well in the last couple of hours.

 

He should be dropped but not sure hiw

much better the alternatives are

[Trichromatic]

He shouldn't be dropped, but he needs to learn from these failures.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

Swann picked a 5-fer and 7-161 against better line up at Adelaide when pitch wasn't graveyard.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/13062/scorecard/428750/australia-vs-england-2nd-test-england-tour-of-australia-2010-11

Um ok. Still does not change the fact that Sydney is the best pitch for spinners on that continent. And 7-161 isn't too much better than 5-140* 

[MechEng]

He learnt some rare finger flick tricks with which he will impart spin to the ball naturally, so he would land the ball anywhere besides the rough basically to confuse the bastman because he's expecting the ball to come off the rough.

Ashwin has to show how smart he is.