Bharat Arun

[putrevus]

How is he doing and what your thoughts about him.He has turned this group into more consistent one.Is he getting enough credit.

 

Your thoughts?????

[sandeep]

I'm not sure he gets much credit. 

 

• Ishant has publicly credited Jason Gillespie and his county stint for his transfomration into a more consistently threatening bowler.  
• Bumrah is just a goddam natural born bowling savant.  I don't see any changes, major or minor in his bowling that can be credited to Arun.
• Shami is still the same 'raw' talent that blows hot and cold.  
• Ash is still ash.  

 

What exactly should Arun get credit for?  That Bumrah's arrival into the test team made the bowling unit a complete package and they are starting to get results?  That's bass-ackwards thinking. 

 

 

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I'm not sure he gets much credit. 

 

• Ishant has publicly credited Jason Gillespie and his county stint for his transfomration into a more consistently threatening bowler.  
• Bumrah is just a goddam natural born bowling savant.  I don't see any changes, major or minor in his bowling that can be credited to Arun.
• Shami is still the same 'raw' talent that blows hot and cold.  
• Ash is still ash.  

 

What exactly should Arun get credit for?  That Bumrah's arrival into the test team made the bowling unit a complete package and they are starting to get results?  That's bass-ackwards thinking. 

 

 

I am not saying he should get credit or not get credit.He and Shastri should get kudos for selecting Bumrah over more experienced players.

 

Any coach can do only so much but Ashwin also suggested in 2014 how Arun helped him turn around and he did become a very good bowler atleast in Asia.

[Switchblade]

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https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/this-is-one-of-the-best-group-of-fast-bowlers-india-has-ever-had-says-bharat-arun-5490035/

“Fast bowlers are a precious commodity and they need to be taken care of, like what you do with a racehorse and that’s exactly what’s happening,” he said.

“Consistency was a bit issue (on previous tours) and that’s something we’ve addressed with the bowlers. It’s something we’ve really worked hard on. We insist on one-person form factor even during practice, and the bowlers have responded exceptionally well. That’s showing dividends right now. It’s very simple work. Each time they come to the net and they bowl, they need to be aware of their plans and what they need to execute. Each time it’s a little different of what they need to execute. We just test as to how far they’ve executed each time. That feedback allows them to be more consistent,” said Arun.

Speaking on the new Perth Stadium pitch, Arun said, “Obviously the bowlers would love to bowl on those type of wickets. Whatever is in the offing, we are happy with. We haven’t really taken a look at the wicket. Irrespective of what the conditions (are), we said we’d come here and look at it as our home conditions whatever conditions we get. We are up for it and we are prepared for any conditions that may exist at the ground,” he added.

“On overseas wickets, especially like in Perth, you can be carried away by the extra pace and bounce, but again you need to understand that on any responsive track what is really going to be successful is your consistency. And that is what we’re going to work on with the bowlers,” he added.

“Spinners mature a lot with age. Maybe they’re like wine. Ashwin has been really good and the last match he helped us to control – he gave us the control, bowling close to 90 overs for 147 runs and six wickets. You can’t ask anything better. He allowed the fast bowlers to take turns and he could control from one end. That’s the job he was interested in. I think he did that exceptionally well.”

“It’s important that a spinner discovers the things he can do. For that to happen, a coach can give the necessary feedback because most often what the bowlers think they’re doing and what they’re actually doing can be two different things. If you can bridge that gap, that’s when the bowlers can grow,” he added.

 

[ravishingravi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETpefu3xwg

[Samcric]

Strongly believe BCCI can easily afford a Fast-bowling and a Spin-bowling coach. We need someone like a Shane Bond or Gillespie to guide the next generation of bowlers who will most probably replace the likes of Umesh/Ishant/Shami for the next overseas cycle. Guys like Siraj, Rajpoot, Avesh, Mavi & Nagarkotti.

 

Imagine a Shane Warne or McGill as Spin-bowling coach and what it can do for the next generation of wrist-spinners: Kuldeep, Chahal, Markande etc.

 

Bharat Arun has helped with consistency. But we need someone even better to graduate to the next level.

Edited December 12, 2018 by Samcric

[speedster]

Khaleel has regressed under his watch so has Umesh (if we compare to the home Australia series). Not sure if he has helped others 

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, speedster said:

Khaleel has regressed under his watch so has Umesh (if we compare to the home Australia series). Not sure if he has helped others 

Khaleel has been bowling like that ever since he debut , we cud have blamed arun had this been done after a point of time. At this point khaleel is to yonug in his career to be even judgeed

 

Umesh has his own mental issues........gadhe ko talaab tak leke jaa sakte ho paani usko khudh ko hi peena padega

[Global.Baba]

Kudos to all Indian coaches for figuring out the following and adopting a new coaching philosophy that will become a new benchmark in coaching all over the world

 

You are a hater if you think players figure things out for themselves and our coaches are useless and don’t do anything.

 

1.Shopping has a therapeutic effect.

 

 

2.Tattoos, piercings, dressing like a hipster does amazing wonders for your self-confidence

 

3.Sightseeing and visiting beautiful locales that look straight out of a Yash Chopra movie has a calming affect and obviously a regular walk through these locations is great for your lungs and stamina.

 

4.Handling your social media and commercial interests in your down time which is pretty much any time you are not playing an international game teaches you time management and responsibility.

 

5.Slowing down and Having a drink in the evening and reflecting on your strengths and weakness leads you to a path of self-realization.

 

I was wrong all along. Indian Team management  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2018 by Global.Baba

[speedster]

58 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Khaleel has been bowling like that ever since he debut , we cud have blamed arun had this been done after a point of time. At this point khaleel is to yonug in his career to be even judgeed

 

Umesh has his own mental issues........gadhe ko talaab tak leke jaa sakte ho paani usko khudh ko hi peena padega

You might be right about Umesh but Khaleel was okay in Asia Cup uske baad he transformed himself into the second coming of Unadkut (even one version is too much and now we have the luxury of a spare),  since he changed his approach it's fair to assume he got this advice from somewhere, even if Arun was not that person he hasn't seen to have done anything to correct the course 

[The Realist]

Heard he's being headhunted by other top teams for his research skills and knowledge of bars and clubs. While Cheerleader sleeps on the job Arun is glued to TripAdvisor analysing and selecting...

[Ankit_sharma03]

33 minutes ago, speedster said:

You might be right about Umesh but Khaleel was okay in Asia Cup uske baad he transformed himself into the second coming of Unadkut (even one version is too much and now we have the luxury of a spare),  since he changed his approach it's fair to assume he got this advice from somewhere, even if Arun was not that person he hasn't seen to have done anything to correct the course 

He also chatted with Zak regd his bowling so as of now we cnt say whose advice was it

might be that he has tweaked his action a bit and will take time to get use to it or something else ....i feel we are coming to conclusion regd khaleel to early 

[Suhaan]

35 minutes ago, speedster said:

You might be right about Umesh but Khaleel was okay in Asia Cup uske baad he transformed himself into the second coming of Unadkut (even one version is too much and now we have the luxury of a spare),  since he changed his approach it's fair to assume he got this advice from somewhere, even if Arun was not that person he hasn't seen to have done anything to correct the course 

Arun may have his share of wrath from fans like us for the regression shown by Khaleel in terms of pace,but i think the main culprit behind this is Zahee who was found putting too much emphasis on bowling arm, non bowling arm,jump,head position he was all sorts of input to him when Khaleel was already bowling fine with high pace,he tinkered with his action which resulted in the current version of Khaleel

Arun being the coach cant be sparef either,its his duty to make him focus on his real strength ie pace which he used with good effect earlier

[raki05]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

How is he doing and what your thoughts about him.He has turned this group into more consistent one.Is he getting enough credit.

 

Your thoughts?????

[raki05]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

How is he doing and what your thoughts about him.He has turned this group into more consistent one.Is he getting enough credit.

 

Your thoughts?????

So do you give credit to bangar and Shastri for regression in our top order batting barring kohli and pujara. Same Rahul, rahane were scoring well against Australia in home condition where kohli did zilch. Also khaleel who was bowling fast in intially few matches even in Asia cup he was fastest and clocked 145 suddenly became trundler. Umesh became more shitty than ever. Giving chance to bowlers like chahar, Kaul etc above siraj, saini etc. How abt that.

[express bowling]

Pluses --

 

1)    Has improved the consistency and accuracy of pacers in test matches.  And this has happened with most of the pacers bowling quickly throughout the day and sustaining pace.

 

 

2)   Our pace unit, as a whole, is looking more confident in test matches.  They have been able to assume primary responsibility in all the 3 big away tours this year. And our bowling unit has picked 20 opposition wickets reasonably cheaply on most occasions.

 

This is the biggest plus for me.   The pace unit in test matches have build a solid reputation.

 

 

3)  Many of the bowlers, like Bumrah and Ishant, have been able to bowl the " other ball "  with a certain consistency.  In the case of these two, it is the away going ball,  their stock delivery being the indipper.

 

4)   Most pacers are fitter and stronger now.

 

5)  Bumrah has increased his pace and Shami retains his pace.

 

He may not be directly responsible but this has happened under him.

 

6)  Workload management of pacers have been good under him.

 

 

 

Minuses --

 

1)   ODI squad is being filled with medium pacers, apart from Bumrah.  What will happen on flat tracks  (  most common in ODIs  )  if Bumrah is injured  ?   What will a bunch of 130 k pacers do if there is no movement on offer and batsmen are trying to hit fiercely  ?

 

Lack of vision in this format.

 

2)   Our pacers are not bowling surprise bouncers with any consistency.

 

 This tactic is very important.  It acts as a setup ball and makes the batsmen circumspect about coming on the front foot.  The good length balls become more potent as a result.  Surprise bouncers may dismiss or scare batsmen too.  

 

With so many quick pacers at our disposal, this tactic should be used every time.

 

3)   Inefficient planning against tailenders, especially in test matches.  The tail is wagging a bit too often.

 

The off and middle stumps should be attacked ball after ball when tailenders bat ... as they are bound to miss a few deliveries.  And bowl some surprise yorkers and bouncers.

 

Not being done.

 

4)   Arun has not been able to introduce and settle talented young quicks like Siraj or others like Saini, Rsjpoot in our team.  Choice of new young pacers have often been poor, like Kaul, Chahar etc.  

 

Might not be his decision though.  But he could have wanted some proper talent. 

 

5)  Khaleel Ahmed has a lost a lot of pace after being introduced to Team India.  His average pace has come down by 8 kph to 12 kph.  Not good.  Should not happen under his watch, even if he is not fully responsible.   Has he tinkered with Khaleel's action ... which has changed  ! Khaleel had talked about this in an after match interview.

 

6)  Umesh has lost pace under his watch too.

 

7)  Our pacers were not bowling sufficient wicket taking line and length deliveries in the first 20 overs of ODIs.  Instead of attacking the top of off stump,  a  defensive middle and leg line was being adopted.

 

This has improved in the last 2 ODI series though ... and I hope this continues.

Edited December 13, 2018 by express bowling

[gakgupta]

14 hours ago, Samcric said:

Strongly believe BCCI can easily afford a Fast-bowling and a Spin-bowling coach. We need someone like a Shane Bond or Gillespie to guide the next generation of bowlers who will most probably replace the likes of Umesh/Ishant/Shami for the next overseas cycle. Guys like Siraj, Rajpoot, Avesh, Mavi & Nagarkotti.

 

Imagine a Shane Warne or McGill as Spin-bowling coach and what it can do for the next generation of wrist-spinners: Kuldeep, Chahal, Markande etc.

 

Bharat Arun has helped with consistency. But we need someone even better to graduate to the next level.

In that case, this team should work with A team....n BCCI should plan for more A and B tours

We need intl ready bowlers ---------rather than --------coming to the intl team and learn.

 

[gakgupta]

Somehow i like Zak thought process and he should work with india team

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, gakgupta said:

Somehow i like Zak thought process and he should work with india team

Zak wanted primo full-time coach money for a part-time consulting gig.  Board can't do that, its unfair to the rest of the coaches, and sets too high a precedent.  Essentially Zak didn't want to commit his time to the team and travel with them - I can understand that.  

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

Pluses --

 

1)    Has improved the consistency and accuracy of pacers in test matches.  And this has happened with most of the pacers bowling quickly throughout the day and sustaining pace.

 

 

2)   Our pace unit, as a whole, is looking more confident in test matches.  They have been able to assume primary responsibility in all the 3 big away tours this year. And our bowling unit has picked 20 opposition wickets reasonably cheaply on most occasions.

 

This is the biggest plus for me.   The pace unit in test matches have build a solid reputation.

 

 

3)  Many of the bowlers, like Bumrah and Ishant, have been able to bowl the " other ball "  with a certain consistency.  In the case of these two, it is the away going ball,  their stock delivery being the indipper.

 

4)   Most pacers are fitter and stronger now.

 

5)  Bumrah has increased his pace and Shami retains his pace.

 

He may not be directly responsible but this has happened under him.

 

6)  Workload management of pacers have been good under him.

 

 

 

Minuses --

 

1)   ODI squad is being filled with medium pacers, apart from Bumrah.  What will happen on flat tracks  (  most common in ODIs  )  if Bumrah is injured  ?   What will a bunch of 130 k pacers do if there is no movement on offer and batsmen are trying to hit fiercely  ?

 

Lack of vision in this format.

 

2)   Our pacers are not bowling surprise bouncers with any consistency.

 

 This tactic is very important.  It acts as a setup ball and makes the batsmen circumspect about coming on the front foot.  The good length balls become more potent as a result.  Surprise bouncers may dismiss or scare batsmen too.  

 

With so many quick pacers at our disposal, this tactic should be used every time.

 

3)   Inefficient planning against tailenders, especially in test matches.  The tail is wagging a bit too often.

 

The off and middle stumps should be attacked ball after ball when tailenders bat ... as they are bound to miss a few deliveries.  And bowl some surprise yorkers and bouncers.

 

Not being done.

 

4)   Arun has not been able to introduce and settle talented young quicks like Siraj or others like Saini, Rsjpoot in our team.  Choice of new young pacers have often been poor, like Kaul, Chahar etc.  

 

Might not be his decision though.  But he could have wanted some proper talent. 

 

5)  Khaleel Ahmed has a lost a lot of pace after being introduced to Team India.  His average pace has come down by 8 kph to 12 kph.  Not good.  Should not happen under his watch, even if he is not fully responsible.   Has he tinkered with Khaleel's action ... which has changed  ! Khaleel had talked about this in an after match interview.

 

6)  Umesh has lost pace under his watch too.

 

7)  Our pacers were not bowling sufficient wicket taking line and length deliveries in the first 20 overs of ODIs.  Instead of attacking the top of off stump,  a  defensive middle and leg line was being adopted.

 

This has improved in the last 2 ODI series though ... and I hope this continues.

Excellent post.But introducing new talent is in his hands?? we don't know , I would have loved to see more under 19 fast bowlers playing for India by now.