Ind ATG 11 batting

[zen]

Just now, Jimmy Cliff said:

More dubious stats that have already been debunked . I see that you're back with the Avg*SR nonsense. Tomorrow you'd tell me Azhar was better than Steve Waugh because he had a higher Avg*SR. 

I understand that in your dreams, stats where Tendulkar does not measure up are dubious and automatically debunked 

 

You may have noted that I did not even bother asking how you calculated your numbers (and assumptions) 

 

 

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

I understand that in your dreams, stats where Tendulkar does not measure up are dubious and automatically debunked 

 

You may have noted that I did not even bother asking how you calculated your numbers (and assumptions) 

 

 

I understand that in your lala land, you expect to peddle dubious stats conveniently picking and choosing "any" or "all" filters for different sides without being called out for your nonsense. Not happening here though. I eat such statsguru queries for breakfast . Do wake me up if you're able to prove these stats wrong though. Based on these stats, Lara shouldn't be a certainty in the AT WI XI at least in live Tests . He'd be my first pick in dead rubbers though. Fair's fair.

 

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In live matches against McGrath & Warne,

Tendulkar averaged 45.25 with 2 tons,
Lara averaged 42.16 with 2 tons.

In live matches against Donald & Pollock

Tendulkar averaged 42.87 with 1 ton,
Lara averaged 32.16 without a hundred.

In live matches against Wasim & Waqar,

Tendulkar averaged 39.71 with 1 ton,
Lara averaged 31.14 without a hundred.

 

In live matches against Ambrose & Walsh,

 

Tendulkar averaged 64.33 with no hundreds.

 

Against these ATG bowling pairs in live Tests,

 

Tendulkar scored 1357 runs @ 45.23 in 31 innings.

Lara scored 1658 runs @ 37.68 in 46 innings.

 

 

[zen]

22 minutes ago, zen said:

Below is for "all" [McGrath + Warne; Donald + Pollock; Murali] combined:

 

 

To put the above in perspective: Tendulkar would need to score 944 runs in 10 innings to match Lara! .... To expand on the improbability of the task, Tendulkar has not scored 500 runs in a test series  

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

I understand that in your lala land, you expect to peddle dubious stats conveniently picking and choosing "any" or "all" filters for different sides without being called out for your nonsense. Not happening here though. I eat such statsguru queries for breakfast . Do wake me up if you're able to prove these stats wrong though. Based on these stats, Lara shouldn't be a certainty in the AT WI XI at least in live Tests . He'd be my first pick in dead rubbers though. Fair's fair.

 

 

I am sure you eat your numbers for breakfast. They are pretty much worthless for others 

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

I am sure you eat your numbers for breakfast. They are pretty much worthless for others 

My truth bombs based on real stats in live Tests are only worthless for agenda peddlers. Genuine students of the game always appreciate the insight .

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

My truth bombs based on real stats in live Tests are only worthless for agenda peddlers. Genuine students of the game always appreciate the insight .

Exactly. Tendulkar agenda peddlers 

 

Below is for "all" [McGrath + Warne; Donald + Pollock; Murali] combined:

 

 

Let's see a stats where Tendulkar can score 944 runs in 10 innings

[Jimmy Cliff]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Exactly. Tendulkar agenda peddlers 

 

Below is for "all" [McGrath + Warne; Donald + Pollock; Murali] combined:

 

 

Let's see a stats where Tendulkar can score 944 runs in 10 innings 

LMAO. Clearly there's no rebuttal for Lara's dead rubber bashing. A pity that his agenda peddler had to create a thread for an Indian ATG XI to push the agenda . I do expect you to post these dubious stats a thousand times like that Pandya 5-fer though.

[zen]

Just now, Jimmy Cliff said:

LMAO. Clearly there's no rebuttal for Lara's dead rubber bashing. A pity that his agenda peddler had to create a thread for an Indian ATG XI to push the agenda . I do expect you to post these dubious stats a thousand times like that Pandya 5-fer though.

So there is nothing much for you to add then run around with a bad mouth and presenting irrelevant stuff (a trait of Sachin agenda peddlers)

[Jimmy Cliff]

1 minute ago, zen said:

So there is nothing much for you to add then run around with a bad mouth and presenting irrelevant stuff (a trait of Sachin agenda peddlers)

Yes. Performances in live Tests are irrelevant. The stat that matters in Tests is Avg*SR. My apologies .

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Yes. Performances in live Tests are irrelevant. The stat that matters in Tests is Avg*SR. My apologies .

If we know how test matches work, the strategies you use to score, etc., then there is not much to explain is it 

 

And to create some more sleepless nights for you:

 

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Primary team India  or West Indies

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka or West Indies

Involving any of the players AA Donald (SA)  or GD McGrath (AUS)  or M Muralitharan (ICC/SL)  or SM Pollock (SA) or Waqar Younis (PAK)  or SK Warne (AUS)  or Wasim Akram (PAK)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
BC Lara (WI)	1990-2005	58	108	3	5253	277	50.02	14	22	6
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1989-2010	58	97	5	3995	177	43.42	14	16	6

 

Tendulkar needs 1258 runs more in 11 innings

 

[zen]

Another one 

 

Excluding BD and Zim, 1990-2006 time period, which is Lara's test career 

 

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Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka or West Indies

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
BC Lara (WI)	1990-2006	126	224	6	11517	400*	52.83	32	47	17
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1990-2006	118	192	19	9155	241*	52.91	31	37	12

 

That's 2362 runs more in 32 more innings at an average of 74 (which is more than the career avgs listed) scored by Lara (assuming no not outs) 

 

will be a heavy breakfast esp. when you eat numbers 

Edited December 15, 2018 by zen

[zen]

Another lesson on how to slice a cat:

 

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Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 10000

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
BC Lara (WI)	1990-2006	126	224	6	11517	400*	52.83	32	47	17
SM Gavaskar (INDIA)	1971-1987	125	214	16	10122	236*	51.12	34	45	12
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1989-2013	184	306	28	14183	241*	51.01	43	65	13
R Dravid (INDIA)	1996-2012	147	261	27	11726	270	50.11	30	57	6
S Chanderpaul (WI)	1994-2015	146	255	41	10577	203*	49.42	25	62	15

 

• Vs Lara, Here Tendulkar has scored only 2612 more runs in 82 more innings at a low average of 32 (assuming no not outs)  

 

[zen]

10 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

From those I watched

 

Sunny

Sehwag

Dravid

Tendulkar

Virat

Dhoni

Kapil

Bedi

Chandra

Prasanna

Srinath

 

Away series I would drop Prasanna and replace with Zaheer.

 

 

Squad members would be:

Vishy, Mohinder Amarnath, Kumble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good to see a line up with the 3 great spinners in it! 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Lara has 400 and Tendulkar doesn't even have 300 

 

Lol ok bye 

Which given that Lara has lesser stats than Tendulkar, mathematically means Lara has a lot more failures than Tendulkar too. I'd rather have a guy who can contribute consistently any day of the week over a dude who scores 500 in one test and 10 ducks after that.

 

[Muloghonto]

Sunny

Sehwag

Dravid

Tendulkar

Laxman

Mankad

Dhoni (Wkt)

Kapil (capt)

Kumble

Srinath
Prasanna (spin wicket)/ Khan (seam wicket)

 

12th man: Ekki

[zen]

will present some more stats if the Lara-Tendulkar topic, which was dragged in to this thread, sparks my interest  

 

Edited December 15, 2018 by zen

[zen]

OK one more  

 

Excluding BD and Zim, Lara has played 224 innings: 

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1990-2006	131	232	6	11953	400*	52.88	19753	60.51	34	48	17	1559	88	Profile
filtered	1990-2006	126	224	6	11517	400*	52.83	19211	59.95	32	47	17	1504	81

 

 

Similarly, Tendulkar at his 224th inning vs these sides:

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
unfiltered	1989-2013	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	51	68	14	Profile
filtered	1989-2008	136	224	21	10403	241*	51.24	33	46	13

 

 

• They have the same # of 50+ scores with Lara having a 50 more, while Tendulkar has a 100 more. Therefore, both of them are equally consistent 
• Lara has scored 1114 more! 
• Lara averages 53 with just 6 not outs; Tendulkar averages 51 with 21 not outs 
• This also highlights Tendulkar's inability to score big 100s relative to Lara's

 

 

PS Again, when we throw in numbers vs the benchmarked bowling pairs + Murali, the difference in avg is even higher (+10)!  

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2018 by zen

[Muloghonto]

what a facking moron this OP starter is. Starts an OP about alltime India XI. Then floods the thread with cherry-picked, irrelevant stats about comparing an Indian bat with a non-Indian bat. LOL. 

 

[zen]

Additionally, Lara's runs are relatively more valuable for his team: 

 

During Lara's career vs the selected sides:

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
BC Lara	1990-2006	126	224	6	11517	400*	52.83	19211	59.95	32	47	17
S Chanderpaul	1994-2006	91	159	20	6330	203*	45.53	14733	42.96	13	39	10
DL Haynes	1990-1994	31	56	8	2147	167	44.72	4518	47.52	6	8	3
RB Richardson	1990-1995	41	70	5	2629	182	40.44	5323	49.38	6	14	5
JC Adams	1992-2001	52	87	16	2867	208*	40.38	7480	38.32	5	14	7

 

• The combined average of the next 4 batsmen is 43
• Lara averages 53 (+10)
• Avg difference b/w #1 and #2 is 7

 

 

During Tendulkar's career vs the selected sides: 

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Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka or West Indies

Start of match date between 1 Jan 1989 and 1 Jan 2013

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SR Tendulkar	1989-2012	178	297	27	13907	241*	51.50	43	63	13
V Sehwag	2001-2012	94	165	4	8124	319	50.45	23	28	16
R Dravid	1996-2012	147	261	27	11726	270	50.11	30	57	6
VVS Laxman	1996-2012	125	213	32	8384	281	46.32	16	55	14
M Azharuddin	1989-2000	69	103	6	4357	192	44.91	16	15	4

 

• The combined average of the next 4 batsmen is 48
• Tendulkar averages 51 (+3) 
• Avg difference b/w #1 and #2 is 1 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2018 by zen

[Jimmy Cliff]

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

what a facking moron this OP starter is. Starts an OP about alltime India XI. Then floods the thread with cherry-picked, irrelevant stats about comparing an Indian bat with a non-Indian bat. LOL. 

 

The All Time India XI was just an excuse. The OP wanted to take a dump on Indian batsmen's (mostly Tendulkar) record while using inconsistent filters against different sides . Too bad it backfired badly like that useless Avg*SR stat in the other thread.