Not playing a spinner was huge mistake

[rtmohanlal]

11 minutes ago, mishra said:

Palying Umesh was huge mistake. Bhuvi, Jaddu  would have been my choice because they vcould offer something with bat. Gappu Pappu need to understand meaning of "safety".

Also that catch out of Kohli was one of the biggest blunders committed by umpire. What is need of technology if you cant use it

soft signal or some sort of crap, which means even  if a blind incompetent  sense less  moron like Dharmasena (who even can't judge as to whether a bowler is over stepping or not under his own nose)    gives verdict that ' a batsman is out despite  the ball even bounces 2 times and reaches the hands of a fielder  despite all others can see with nakes eyes that it has bounced twice' , the third umpire can't reverse the decision!!!!!!!!!. The need of the hour is to  make 'Dharmasena  do  barber job' and  take away this most sense less rule  at the earliest.

[rtmohanlal]

13 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Ever wondered why he has never bowled in Australia in tests?

It is because TM is sure that he would fail there. He is in the squad only as a secondary backup.

 

Looking at how ineffective he has been in LOIS in Australia throughout his career, it is very clear that he wont succeed in Australia.

 

Let him play one test in this series (if at all),  you will come to know. 

 

that makes sense. Play  him at least in  1 test .

[mishra]

5 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

soft signal or some sort of crap, which means even  if a blind incompetent  sense less  moron like Dharmasena (who even can't judge as to whether a bowler is over stepping or not under his own nose)    gives verdict that ' a batsman is out despite  the ball even bounces 2 times and reaches the hands of a fielder  despite all others can see with nakes eyes that it has bounced twice' , the third umpire can't reverse the decision!!!!!!!!!. The need of the hour is to  make 'Dharmasena  do  barber job' and  take away this most sense less rule  at the earliest.

 

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"It's part of the decision-making process," he told the Times of India in 2016. "If the third umpire cannot find conclusive evidence to prove that the original on-field decision is incorrect, then it stands. On-field umpires are there to make decisions and answer appeals, not simply to send them upstairs to the third umpire to take the call.

"Decision making is an important skill and one that should be applied at the highest level of the game. So, the soft signal maintains the premise that the decision-making happens on field and not just left to technology to provide an outcome."

 

^ I do not understand what was not conclusive apart from appeal by fielder. Seriously, how could Nigel Long not see it.

[R.D forever]

Very clear that team management has no trust in Jaddu . Ashwin is still the No1 spinner. And terribly missed

[Adi BB]

2 hours ago, Sachinism said:

tbf Indian spinners aren't as good as Lyon

Yup and Lyon has the luxury of bowling to our timid batsmen and a horrible tail .ashwin and jadeja are not good enough as Lyon in these conditions so people should stop making judgements based on lyon's performances ,his performance in his home conditions doesn't mean ashwin or jadeja will do well here .

But that said jadeja should have been picked or maybe bhuvi instead of brainless yadav 

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Sachinism said:

tbf Indian spinners aren't as good as Lyon

true but would still have been better than Umesh

Edited December 17, 2018 by rkt.india

[shortbread]

17 minutes ago, R.D forever said:

Very clear that team management has no trust in Jaddu . Ashwin is still the No1 spinner. And terribly missed

You mean 'Kohli' has no trust in Jaddu . 

 

There is no other team management. My neighbour's pug has more impact on team decisions than Shastri!

[R!TTER]

Jadeja has easily outperformed Lyon in the two series they played against each other, albeit in India. I don't know how others have based their judgement as Jadeja's not played in Aus, Ashwin though has been handily beaten both home & away by Lyon!

[Nikola]

I think jadeja has never played test match in Australia and Kohli is pace bowler's captain not spin bowling captain like MS so he will have more faith in Umesh if there is even some help in pitch for pacer.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Ever wondered why he has never bowled in Australia in tests?

It is because TM is sure that he would fail there. He is in the squad only as a secondary backup.

 

Looking at how ineffective he has been in LOIS in Australia throughout his career, it is very clear that he wont succeed in Australia.

 

Let him play one test in this series (if at all),  you will come to know.

 

LOIs is not Tests and Test effectiveness is very different than LOI effectiveness. Don't compare performances in the two. 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

IMO Umesh’s terrible bowling is the difference. He has been such a huge let down. 37-3-139-2 on a pitch where all pacers went at under 3 RPO. Was the ideal pitch for him to pick 5-6 wickets. Had absolutely no rhythm, even a 10% better bowling performance from him would have been a match winning one. 

 

Remember so many fans and experts were asking him to start in the first test 11 based on his 10-get vs WI.

[Global.Baba]

Jadeja should play next test. Last 2 tests look more like Nagpur,Delhi than Adelaide and Perth. His accurate darts will be ideal on these crumbling wickets 

[Jamadagni]

People used to say Ashwin would have won Adelaide 2014 test had he been selected. Now that Ashwin has shown his true worth, no one dares to bring up that again. Now rinse and repeat for Jadeja. He would have that, could have should have.....sorry, Australia is the last pace spinners would thrive. The best SENA coutry for spinners is England and Ashwin/Jadeja did zilch over there. For the ongoing test, going with Umesh wasn't as poor a decision as it's been made out to be. Unfortunately for the team management, they don't have the luxury of hindsight like we do. 

[fineleg]

1 minute ago, Jamadagni said:

People used to say Ashwin would have won Adelaide 2014 test had he been selected. Now that Ashwin has shown his true worth, no one dares to bring up that again. Now rinse and repeat for Jadeja. He would have that, could have should have.....sorry, Australia is the last pace spinners would thrive. The best SENA coutry for spinners is England and Ashwin/Jadeja did zilch over there. For the ongoing test, going with Umesh wasn't as poor a decision as it's been made out to be. Unfortunately for the team management, they don't have the luxury of hindsight like we do. 

Bhuvi over UY at the very least!!!

[Jamadagni]

1 minute ago, fineleg said:

Bhuvi over UY at the very least!!!

Shall I quote all the posts before the series started mentioning Bhuvi shouldn't be in the starting XI in Australia, especially Perth? Most would have gone with Umesh over Bhuvi if given a choice for Perth. 

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

People used to say Ashwin would have won Adelaide 2014 test had he been selected. Now that Ashwin has shown his true worth, no one dares to bring up that again. Now rinse and repeat for Jadeja. He would have that, could have should have.....sorry, Australia is the last pace spinners would thrive. The best SENA coutry for spinners is England and Ashwin/Jadeja did zilch over there. For the ongoing test, going with Umesh wasn't as poor a decision as it's been made out to be. Unfortunately for the team management, they don't have the luxury of hindsight like we do. 

Sorry, disagree.  Umesh and Vihari leaked runs at 3.8 runs per over on D1 - At a minimum Jadeja would have kept things quiet at one end.  40 fewer runs on D1 could have have a major impact on this test.  And Jadeja would have contributed with the bat as well.  Jadeja's bowling gets constantly under-rated because steady accurate left-arm spin isn't sexy like wrist-spin.   

[sandeep]

29 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Jadeja should play next test. Last 2 tests look more like Nagpur,Delhi than Adelaide and Perth. His accurate darts will be ideal on these crumbling wickets 

There is no chance that Melbourne will be as crumbling as Perth.  

[Trichromatic]

21 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

People used to say Ashwin would have won Adelaide 2014 test had he been selected. Now that Ashwin has shown his true worth, no one dares to bring up that again. Now rinse and repeat for Jadeja. He would have that, could have should have.....sorry, Australia is the last pace spinners would thrive. The best SENA coutry for spinners is England and Ashwin/Jadeja did zilch over there. For the ongoing test, going with Umesh wasn't as poor a decision as it's been made out to be. Unfortunately for the team management, they don't have the luxury of hindsight like we do. 

Ashwin won Adelaide 2018 test. 

[rtmohanlal]

23 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

People used to say Ashwin would have won Adelaide 2014 test had he been selected. Now that Ashwin has shown his true worth, no one dares to bring up that again. Now rinse and repeat for Jadeja. He would have that, could have should have.....sorry, Australia is the last pace spinners would thrive. The best SENA coutry for spinners is England and Ashwin/Jadeja did zilch over there. For the ongoing test, going with Umesh wasn't as poor a decision as it's been made out to be. Unfortunately for the team management, they don't have the luxury of hindsight like we do. 

that is why Ashwin proved to be the best bowler at Adelaide...

Ashwin & Jadeja  both  did reasonably well  in ENG in the last series , more or less in the same levels as some of the seam bowlers. And add their batting performance in ENG ,   team got the performance of virtually 2 specialists...

[Trichromatic]

Here is what happened in 2 tests:

 

1. India were 127-6, with Ashwin Pujara added 62 runs and total 123 with entire tail. Here India added total 32 runs from 251-5. 

 

2. India got 1 wicket in first session of day 1 at Adelaide, after that there wasn't any breakthrough in sight. After that Ashwin removed Harris and Marsh before Lunch, Khawaja after lunch. Pacer got next wicket in 57th over. It wasn't much different for pacers at Perth either. Pacers managed 2 wickets in first 50 wickets before coming to party.

 

Ashwin bowled 50 overs relentlessly allowing Bumrah and others to bowl at full steam in 2nd inn. Captain wasn't even willing to give bowl to Yadav for his freebies.