Aggarwal shows benefits of refining skills in domestics

[maniac]

The way he is playing Lyon

 

Actually even Vihari looks super comfortable against Lyon.

 

No wonder our elite batsmen fall like nine pins against likes of Moeen Ali,England wala Rashid and even Lyon who to be fair to him is a shade above Ali.

 

Gavaskar pointed out the same thing.

 

I heard this show this morning with Vikrant Gupta where he narrated a story of even the likes of Dravid had taken tips from a domestic Indian player who had a reputation of being the best player of spin to counter Saqlain in 1999.

 

Now Mayank may or may not be eventually out to Lyon. However just the comfort level he has shown and the disdain he shows to a spinner reminds me of Indian batsmen from the past.

 

This is why playing Indian domestics and refining your skills in FC helps.

 

On the other hand we have Rayudu retiring from FC and MSD and Dhawan vacationing when there is an actual FC season happening or even Pandya being recalled after one game as if playing FC doesn’t mean anything.

 

  

Edited December 26, 2018 by maniac

[velu]

[fineleg]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

 

Now Mayank may or may not be eventually out to Lyon. 

  

Thread creation experience (to cover bases) was interesting to see , refining in ICF-experience helps too :)

I agree with your thread, this is why we shoulld bring some seasoned domestic bats into our squad after A-tours etc. Send them on many A-tours first.

Edited December 26, 2018 by fineleg

[maniac]

1 minute ago, velu said:

Dude not everything is a jinx or crap like that. You can clearly see how confident Aggarwal and  Vihari are against Lyon compared to Rahane and co.

Edited December 26, 2018 by maniac

[maniac]

Just now, fineleg said:

Thread creation experience (to cover bases) was interesting to see , refining in ICF helps too :)

I agree with your thread, this is why we shoulld bring some seasoned domestic bats into our squad after A-tours etc. Send them on many A-tours first.

I have to because usually context gets lost and we tend to steer things on personal attacks. I have been away. Is that still happening on ICF :)

[velu]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Dude not everything is a jinx or crap like that. You can clearly see how confident Aggarwal and  Vihari are against Lyon compared to Rahane and co.

 

didnt see  ..

just now got up

[fineleg]

Just now, maniac said:

I have to because usually context gets lost and we tend to steer things on personal attacks. I have been away. Is that still happening on ICF :)

Universe ka Baba protects us from attacks

[Nonbeliever]

Just because they did not spend much time with shashtri.

Once shastri start coaching them .Only god knows what will happen.

[maniac]

@Nonbeliever I know that even though you meant that as a joke, it can be true. Given the culture that has come up of no accountability for the coaches or the players and people doing whatever they want it is highly likely.

[Straight Drive]

Good to see someone who has scored consistently in domestic being rewarded with debut 50 in Sena. 

[vvvslaxman]

I think he should have been introduced a while ago instead of giving chances to Dhawan, Vijay et al.

[velu]

if we bat for another one day , either starc or cummins will get injured

[GautiMaan]

You can't let them stew for too long either.

Kedhar Jhadav was one guy who was setting all kinds of domestic records in the 2010's.He could have changed our fortunes in the 2015 World Cup but was picked too late,now I feel he is past his prime while also being injury prone.

 

Even here Mayank should have been in Australia all along.If Rahul or Vijay had even got a couple of 40's we would have never seen him

[rkt.india]

Talk about comparing batting on day 1 pitch to batting on a day 5 pitch. Lyon didn't do much in first innings in last two tests. Such threads are a result of brainless posting. like brainless bowling and brainless batting, this is brainless posting.

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Talk about comparing batting on day 1 pitch to batting on a day 5 pitch. Lyon didn't do much in first innings in last two tests. Such threads are a result of brainless posting. like brainless bowling and brainless batting, this is brainless posting.

No I am even talking about guys like Vihari and Aggarwal just the confidence they have against Lyon as in domestics there are such bowlers available dime a dozen

 

Maybe you are more knowledgeable than Sunil Gavaskar who said the same thing. I have no counter to that. 

Edited December 26, 2018 by maniac

[maniac]

@rkt.india are you saying that we struggled against Lyon and Moeen Ali on only day 5 pitches? 

 

 

Who is comparing this to day 5 pitches?

 

 

You clearly have no clue what you are taking about and missed the context entirely

Edited December 26, 2018 by maniac

[fineleg]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I think he should have been introduced a while ago instead of giving chances to Dhawan, Vijay et al.

Yes even Eng tour or SA tour perhaps, but BCCI selectors and TM don't act with any foresight.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

@rkt.india are you saying that we struggled against Lyon and Moeen Ali on only day 5 pitches? 

 

 

Who is comparing this to day 5 pitches?

 

 

You clearly have no clue what you are taking about and missed the context entirely

Yes, we only struggled to counter Lyon in second innings in both tests, not first innings. He uses foot marks so well even the best player of spin would struggle and he hardly bowls any loose balls.

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, we only struggled to counter Lyon in second innings in both tests, not first innings. He uses foot marks so well even the best player of spin would struggle and he hardly bowls any loose balls.

I have not seen batsmen attack him in the first innings either. He was supposed to be our buffet bowler. Today Aggarwal made it count against him as he had a tough time against pacers understandably so.

 

Vihari too was trying to get out of the shell against Lyon and never looked like getting out to him both innings last test.

 

Footmarks on these pitches don’t even come close to the dustbowls we get in domestics.

 

Iam not trying to give any new gyaan. Most cricket experts much more knowledgeable than you and me on cricket have said the same thing that lack of playing Indian FC clearly is impacting our ability to play spin. 

 

And you can clearly see this from guys who come fresh out of FC be it the guys I mentioned or even someone like Karun Nair.

 

Didn’t Moeen Ali take a 10fr against us recently. Did he get all wickets on a 5th day pitch?

Edited December 26, 2018 by maniac

[Sandeep99]

There is so much truth in this thread. Indian team has forgotten how to play regulation off spin and our off spinner has been delivering some low quality stuff whenever we don’t play at home. Maybe it’s time for Kohli to own it up and have the main team to relearn and reequip in Ranji trophy. Heck even Pujara looks suspect every time he bats against Lyon..