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Finally the juggernaught was picked.  Piles on the runs in ranji.  Piled it on in Vijay Hazare.  Piled it on in india A and India A away tours.  For me the perfect pathway in to India team.  More must be picked if tick these boxes.

 

Perfect example of honing and doing bissiness in the greateest domestic tournament in the world called Ranji trophy then doing bussiness in India rep teams including India A.  Played lots in SENA, so was not new thing for him, only thing new was upgrade in class and pressure, not conditions!

 

Aggarwal flopped in domestic T20 syed mushtaq and total flop IPL.  I repeat total flop in IPL.  Thank god flopped IPL.  As never again want to hear that patheitc line for picking players for test team " Didnt do well in IPL so didnt impress me"! Yuck!

 

He also is not a kid and 27!  Hooray.  Please end facination with only picking kids who 20.  27 to 29 great age as learnt the skills and learnt how to handle themsleves.  A 28 year old can play another 6 years min, thats 2 world cups as example, what more want?

 

Well done Mayank.  For me opens up the door for others on domestic scence dong the bussiness and not staring in IPL (more suited to other formats and more suited to tough pitch conditions).

 

Ranji trophy thanks you Aggarwal

 

 

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Shouldn’t be the other way around just like my  thread earlier . Aggarwal should be thanking the Indian first class system, the coaches etc for helping him refine his skills?

 

The way he has played Lyon was such a throwback to Indian batsmen handling any spinner like a domestic journeyman spinner regardless of reputation.

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2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Shouldn’t be the other way around just like my  thread earlier . Aggarwal should be thanking the Indian first class system, the coaches etc for helping him refine his skills?

 

The way he has played Lyon was such a throwback to Indian batsmen handling any spinner like a domestic journeyman spinner regardless of reputation.

Semantics

 

Point is we must stop ignoring players doing the bussiness in FC cricket and then following it up with A tour perfomances.  Not just that perforoming in A tours but this gives them experience of playing overseas so when play for India ready to go certain extent.

 

IPL is no benchmark for who to pick in tests or frankly even for Odi team. 

 

Also stop discriminating against players who are not 21.  Aggarwal is better then Gill and Shaw right now as example.  Love shaw and Gill but lets not pick mayank cos he is 27 FFS

 

ps Aggarwal wouod be brilliant for our ODI team, smashed it in Vijay Hazare.  For me back up opener.  Hits ball big , with ease, seen him put balls out of stadium in domestics, effortless

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5 minutes ago, tweaker said:

On the same yardstick Siraj should have made debut as he was successful in Ranji & home and away A teams.

 

Serious contender yes.  Should be in squad.  But our pace bowling unit been excellent last 18 months more batting were slots available.  However, Yadav looks like maybe his time is up and so Siraj maybe in squad to take his place

 

Personally I saw him bowl last 2 days v Punjab.  Bowled more 130 to 136.  Very fit, runs in all day.  Was super flat and tought to bowl v god bats.  Looked more threatning then other pacers in the game but did not blow me away but then its was very flat

 

Watched a lot of Ranji this year. Avesh, Aaron, Warrier and Rajpoot(more swing bolwer, others hit deck hard) have impressed me most for pacers about who I think could do well for India and take step up

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Pure product of Ranji and A tours both him and Vihari.

 

Fine to select few raw or you g talented players bug eventually let players toil hard in Ranji and those who do toil hard do come out to be some of the best players.

 

Rahane and Pujara are great examples of people who toiled hard in Ranji and when given chance in the Indian team, both eventually lived up to the expectations and did well in different series.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Pure product of Ranji and A tours both him and Vihari.

 

Fine to select few raw or you g talented players bug eventually let players toil hard in Ranji and those who do toil hard do come out to be some of the best players.

 

Rahane and Pujara are great examples of people who toiled hard in Ranji and when given chance in the Indian team, both eventually lived up to the expectations and did well in different series.

 

 

 

Dhawan and Rohit also toiled hard in Ranji trophy.  Rohit also averaged 60 in Ranji Trophy.  So, there is no one perfect template to selection.

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dhawan and Rohit also toiled hard in Ranji trophy.  Rohit also averaged 60 in Ranji Trophy.  So, there is no one perfect template to selection.

There isn’t but having lived through the domestic period does help a ordinary or tale ted player become a “Man”.

 

It’s like a high school grad leaving home for college dorms living alone all of sudden with all the responsibility. It makes him more mature the enct few year he spends. We need to have that respect dor our domestic. Not everytime we must go by the averages in the domestic but we must still consider it as the criteria of picking most players while also gpicking 25-30% players based on the talent they show even without much average.  

 

Keep it a bit even.

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24 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

There isn’t but having lived through the domestic period does help a ordinary or tale ted player become a “Man”.

 

It’s like a high school grad leaving home for college dorms living alone all of sudden with all the responsibility. It makes him more mature the enct few year he spends. We need to have that respect dor our domestic. Not everytime we must go by the averages in the domestic but we must still consider it as the criteria of picking most players while also gpicking 25-30% players based on the talent they show even without much average.  

 

Keep it a bit even.

Totally agree.  Its not as if sayng cant pick players based on talent who have not spent seasons playing Ranji or even been on A tours.  But need a mix, espcially for some top order bats, being through Ranji university and A tours gives so much knowledge and experience.  Its not even about eb9inmg fair, its just if scored runs and runs in Ranji you better prepared to deliver in most cases

 

Only caveat for me is bowlers in speed dept.  Very much on talent they need fast tracking as if have pace can come in earlier, need to spot them quick

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29 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

There isn’t but having lived through the domestic period does help a ordinary or tale ted player become a “Man”.

 

It’s like a high school grad leaving home for college dorms living alone all of sudden with all the responsibility. It makes him more mature the enct few year he spends. We need to have that respect dor our domestic. Not everytime we must go by the averages in the domestic but we must still consider it as the criteria of picking most players while also gpicking 25-30% players based on the talent they show even without much average.  

 

Keep it a bit even.

Mayank was never an ordinary player.  He was always marked form his U19 days in 2010 when he played some big innings in Australia for India U19, especially in LOIs.  

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Been recent trend in recent years to ignore Ranji perfomances.  Dismiss them

 

We must put to end this crazy thing were IPL perfomances or non performances are reason why players get picked or dont get picked for TEST team.  Madness.  I would not even look at IPL perfomaces for ODI team, worlds apart.

 

With so much domestic cricket on TV, no excuse for selectors to be lazy and not see what players doing and only look at IPL tv games!  It seesm this is changing with Vihari and Agarrwal in test team despite doing jack in IPL

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Mayank was never an ordinary player.  He was always marked form his U19 days in 2010 when he played some big innings in Australia for India U19, especially in LOIs.  

True but took years to finally turn this in to a proper schooled run machine

 

I want Gill to spend 1 more year in Ranji and have 1 or 2 away A tours before plays for India, will do him world of good if does and will have better idea if ready, particulary with A tours

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1 minute ago, King Tendulkar said:

Been recent trend in recent years to ignore Ranji perfomances.  Dismiss them

 

We must put to end this crazy thing were IPL perfomances or non performances are reason why players get picked or dont get picked for TEST team.  Madness.  I would not even look at IPL perfomaces for ODI team, worlds apart.

 

With so much domestic cricket on TV, no excuse for selectors to be lazy and not see what players doing and only look at IPL tv games!  It seesm this is changing with Vihari and Agarrwal in test team despite doing jack in IPL

Does anyone considers IPL for Test selection ? Must be genius. 

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15 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

True but took years to finally turn this in to a proper schooled run machine

 

I want Gill to spend 1 more year in Ranji and have 1 or 2 away A tours before plays for India, will do him world of good if does and will have better idea if ready, particulary with A tours

It is because he was not an ordinary player.  An ordinary player would have given up by now while he transformed his FC record in last 2 years.  Mayank was not even a regular in Ranji which is the reason he has only played 46 FC games in 8 years as his FC record was mediocre but he transformed in last two years and is now averaging 49 where as he used to be high 30s average batsman before that.

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19 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Totally agree.  Its not as if sayng cant pick players based on talent who have not spent seasons playing Ranji or even been on A tours.  But need a mix, espcially for some top order bats, being through Ranji university and A tours gives so much knowledge and experience.  Its not even about eb9inmg fair, its just if scored runs and runs in Ranji you better prepared to deliver in most cases

 

Only caveat for me is bowlers in speed dept.  Very much on talent they need fast tracking as if have pace can come in earlier, need to spot them quick

Yes, bowlers should have a different route

, especially fast bowlers and anyone with higher speeds mist be pushed and seen against different opponents like the visiting teams etc in A games too. 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Been recent trend in recent years to ignore Ranji perfomances.  Dismiss them

 

We must put to end this crazy thing were IPL perfomances or non performances are reason why players get picked or dont get picked for TEST team.  Madness.  I would not even look at IPL perfomaces for ODI team, worlds apart.

 

With so much domestic cricket on TV, no excuse for selectors to be lazy and not see what players doing and only look at IPL tv games!  It seesm this is changing with Vihari and Agarrwal in test team despite doing jack in IPL

No player is picked based on IPL in test team and that has not happened yet.  Yes, players are picked for ODIs and T20s on the basis of IPL, not tests.  Test squad has always been picked based on Ranji trophy and A games.

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12 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

ON ICF they do lol

The only 2 guys in this team who might fall under that category are Pandya and Kuldeep. Both whom you are a big supporter of lol

 

Before RKT comes up with a random counter. All I am saying is they were not the type of FC performers that KT is talking about.

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14 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

True but took years to finally turn this in to a proper schooled run machine

 

I want Gill to spend 1 more year in Ranji and have 1 or 2 away A tours before plays for India, will do him world of good if does and will have better idea if ready, particulary with A tours

I don’t mind Gill fast tracked in 50 overs only because the transition it might give to him. 50 overs can serve as a good transition as he can bat around players like Kohli and then take same confidence in A tours or Ranji and become even a more solid bat for his state side in Ranji and cement his place in the test squad.

 

Sometimes players who directly come to international cricket as a test match player find it hard to adjust even after all the runs in Ranji.

 

A few ODI games under their belt and only 50 games I am talking about, give them enough time to spend time in the middle and experience the aura of being around goat players and playing against and with them. 

 

And usually the vacancy for a batsman to play for India is more open in ODI’s than in test so if there is a vacancy, I rather have Shubman get some international experience for India in 50 overs whenever we can give him instead of him just waiting to seal test slotwhich can often be a long wait dor Ranji players.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

The only 2 guys in this team who might fall under that category are Pandya and Kuldeep. Both whom you are a big supporter of lol

 

Before RKT comes up with a random counter. All I am saying is they were not the type of FC performers that KT is talking about.

There are always some players who get picked without much FC performances based on need of the team and their talent.   

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Just now, rkt.india said:

There are always some players who get picked without much FC performances based on need of the team and their talent.   

True but I was responding to KT who says ICF fans want IPL players while he respects and backs FC performers. While latter might be true, he is forgetting that he is a fan of players who were fast tracked as well. I forgot Ashwin who didn’t have to toil too much in domestics either and stood out during IPL even though might have impressed during the domestics.

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20 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Finally the juggernaught was picked.  Piles on the runs in ranji.  Piled it on in Vijay Hazare.  Piled it on in india A and India A away tours.  For me the perfect pathway in to India team.  More must be picked if tick these boxes.

 

Perfect example of honing and doing bissiness in the greateest domestic tournament in the world called Ranji trophy then doing bussiness in India rep teams including India A.  Played lots in SENA, so was not new thing for him, only thing new was upgrade in class and pressure, not conditions!

 

Aggarwal flopped in domestic T20 syed mushtaq and total flop IPL.  I repeat total flop in IPL.  Thank god flopped IPL.  As never again want to hear that patheitc line for picking players for test team " Didnt do well in IPL so didnt impress me"! Yuck!

 

He also is not a kid and 27!  Hooray.  Please end facination with only picking kids who 20.  27 to 29 great age as learnt the skills and learnt how to handle themsleves.  A 28 year old can play another 6 years min, thats 2 world cups as example, what more want?

 

Well done Mayank.  For me opens up the door for others on domestic scence dong the bussiness and not staring in IPL (more suited to other formats and more suited to tough pitch conditions).

 

Ranji trophy thanks you Aggarwal

 

 

hold your horses....

 

let him play for few matches before giving credit to domestics and blah blah

 

its a super flat pitch....and his batting style suits flat pitches...

 

Real test will be on spicy pitches...

 

I have total respect for what he has done in his first test....but i have my doubts because i am following him very closely and he is someone who regularly has a brain fart and throws his wicket away...

 

He said he went to vippassna and fixed that mental aspect ......but time will tell....

 

Yes....i want him to be successful and do really well

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Agarwal showed Lyon's true aukaad - any batsman who can use their feet to play him, will make him instantly ordinary. ChePu is pretty decent at playing spinners from the crease, but he is no master of using his feet against them and stepping out to mess up their lengths. This mediocre spinner would never have averaged under 50 against India team up to 2011. 

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23 hours ago, gakgupta said:

hold your horses....

 

let him play for few matches before giving credit to domestics and blah blah

 

its a super flat pitch....and his batting style suits flat pitches...

 

Real test will be on spicy pitches...

 

I have total respect for what he has done in his first test....but i have my doubts because i am following him very closely and he is someone who regularly has a brain fart and throws his wicket away...

 

He said he went to vippassna and fixed that mental aspect ......but time will tell....

 

Yes....i want him to be successful and do really well

Super flat pitch, really...  Both teams struggling to score more than 2.6 runs per over. Australia are 110/6. He isn't the top class batsman or some one hyped up, but to not give credit to this innings is weird.

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19 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Agarwal showed Lyon's true aukaad - any batsman who can use their feet to play him, will make him instantly ordinary. ChePu is pretty decent at playing spinners from the crease, but he is no master of using his feet against them and stepping out to mess up their lengths. This mediocre spinner would never have averaged under 50 against India team up to 2011. 

Lolwut? Pujara's bread and butter shot against spin is to step out and work it through the onside. Cricviz once did an analysis that showed he had an absurdly great record while stepping out of the crease. The one thing he does rarely while stepping out is actually lofting the ball. Mayank from I have seen does this naturally and can pull it off even when he doesn't quite get to the pitch of the ball.

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56 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Lolwut? Pujara's bread and butter shot against spin is to step out and work it through the onside. Cricviz once did an analysis that showed he had an absurdly great record while stepping out of the crease. The one thing he does rarely while stepping out is actually lofting the ball. Mayank from I have seen does this naturally and can pull it off even when he doesn't quite get to the pitch of the ball.

Chepu struggles to pierce the field on onside. Maynak goes for that slog sweep or hit straight down the ground or cover drives him as well. Agarwal seems to have more range of shots for Lyon and he is attacking as well. 

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5 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Lolwut? Pujara's bread and butter shot against spin is to step out and work it through the onside. Cricviz once did an analysis that showed he had an absurdly great record while stepping out of the crease. The one thing he does rarely while stepping out is actually lofting the ball. Mayank from I have seen does this naturally and can pull it off even when he doesn't quite get to the pitch of the ball.

Yet have you seen him do it this series ? He is playing from the crease 99% of the time to Lyon. 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Yet have you seen him do it this series ? He is playing from the crease 99% of the time to Lyon. 

Yes. Hit his century shot with a skip down the track. 

 

Pujara may not hav the most range but his credentials against spin on toughest tracks will make ATGs pale in comparison. 

 

Pujara is a bloody good player of spin. 

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6 hours ago, gattaca said:

Chepu struggles to pierce the field on onside. Maynak goes for that slog sweep or hit straight down the ground or cover drives him as well. Agarwal seems to have more range of shots for Lyon and he is attacking as well. 

That's mostly because teams have now cottoned on to his strength and are keeping a stacked on side field. In the first few years of his career, he used to pick loads of boundaries between the mid-on and midwicket area by stepping out to spinners.

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1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

Yes. Hit his century shot with a skip down the track. 

 

Pujara may not hav the most range but his credentials against spin on toughest tracks will make ATGs pale in comparison. 

 

Pujara is a bloody good player of spin. 

absolutely.  he is as good as likes of SRT, Dravid, and VVS against spin and has batted on some real mine fields at home, still averages 62.

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Yet have you seen him do it this series ? He is playing from the crease 99% of the time to Lyon. 

on a slow pitch like MCG with not offering any big turn, it is less risky to play from the crease.

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OP makes it sound as if the team is filled with 20 year olds struggling to make it at because of lack of experience lol

 

All these guys have spent enough time at Ranji level,the point you should be making is that fresh blood must be brought in when existing players keep failing,rather than recycle the same guys who are proven failures

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9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

absolutely.  he is as good as likes of SRT, Dravid, and VVS against spin and has batted on some real mine fields at home, still averages 62.

No way is he in their class v spin.  No chance

 

Pujara is very solid and can handle spin.  Does use his feet to score runs v spin but can get very very bogged down and cant destory spinners

 

SRT and Laxman massacred spins sometimes in their own ways.  SRT of course had lot including power to clear ropes. Laxy was crazy v spin, wrecked spinners with use of feet and putting ball over the place

 

Puj solid but cant take it to them were skipper is like jeez taking spinner of as getting taken to cleaners

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14 hours ago, rkt.india said:

on a slow pitch like MCG with not offering any big turn, it is less risky to play from the crease.

LOL.

Those who play the spinners by stepping out, know that  you prioritize it on raging turners/crumblers ( because playing on the back-foot to spinners on such pitches is certain death eventually) but they also know very well that even on the least spin friendly pitches, you still gotta step out from time to time to mess up the length of spinners - which is always their #1 priority. Those like Pujara who stop stepping out because playing back is okay, never end up dominating spinners in those flat pitches - they just become impervious to them at best and its a draw of sorts for both.

 

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