vvvslaxman Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 His tightness in bowling will always give him an edge. His less reliance on variation make him more of a threat not just a holding bowler. His fielding is a bonus. Batting he can stick around give company to top order. nevada, Ridgepi and velu 3 Link to comment
WeStMiDz Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Quite simply, yes. Ridgepi 1 Link to comment
R.D forever Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Difficult choice tbh. If the pitch is not doing anything I still prefer Ashwin. Remember the 1st innings in 1st test. Took 3 top order wickets with no help from pitch. If the pitch has rough like today Jaddu is better cause Ashwin who bowls with such patience when there is no help from the pitch somehow loses it when the pitch is doing something. never hits the rough and tries too much Batting Ashwin is slightly better especially to build partnerships. Fielding anyday Jadeja. It is a good headache to have Edited December 28, 2018 by R.D forever BrantFUGH and Ridgepi 1 1 Link to comment
JourneyMan Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Kick out Rahane or Vihari so we can have Ashwin and Jadeja. Between them they score more runs and take more wickets overseas than the other two would. anish2tweet, diehardpacer, nevada and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 i have always been saying this ... we don't need 7 batsmen in the team including 'Pant' .Batsmen like Rahane,Vihari,Rohit ,Vijay,Rahul they all have been far off from adequate for one reason or the other for a long time now. That being the case 5 batsmen + wk + 5 'bowlers( based on conditions) of which 3 or 4 can bat also' is lot more effective. Hence Jadeja,Ashwin , Bhuvi would need to play the most based on conditions. Ridgepi 1 Link to comment
kohli Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Jadeja leaking run like umesh BrantFUGH 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, kohli said: Jadeja leaking run like umesh Difference is that for that Aussies had to attack him with plan and risk resulted in a wicket. With Umesh, no one has to take a risk. Just be there and he will give runs at 4 rpo. JourneyMan 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Gosh I hope so. What else does he need to do to to stake his claim as first choice spinner ?? Unlike Ashwin, he's out bowled the opposition's lead spinner in Eng as well as Aus. Plus he is a great fielder & is quite fit, ignore the theories bewda cooks up. manu4411, JourneyMan and anish2tweet 2 1 Link to comment
R.D forever Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Clarke said: Gosh I hope so. What else does he need to do to to stake his claim as first choice spinner ?? Unlike Ashwin, he's out bowled the opposition's lead spinner in Eng as well as Aus. Plus he is a great fielder & is quite fit, ignore the theories bewda cooks up. Ashwin took 6 wickets with better economy. Jadeja took 5. I don't think Jadeja did anything extraordinary to become the first choice spinner Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Unless Ashwin improves his fitness, Yes. Ash went missing from some key moments during the away series. Doubt if the TM will have much faith in him on future SENA tours. Ridgepi 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 At this point Ashwin's batting is the advantage overseas. He used to bat almost like a specialist batsman. He is still good enough. BrantFUGH 1 Link to comment
GolGappe Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, R.D forever said: Ashwin took 6 wickets with better economy. Jadeja took 5. I don't think Jadeja did anything extraordinary to become the first choice spinner Good point. Additionally, his partnership with Pujara saved the Adelaide test for India. Pound for pound I feel fully fit Ashwin is a better test cricketer. More skilled as a bowler and tighter batting technique. However, Jadeja's fitness and excellent outcricket narrows the gap between two of them significantly. Ridgepi 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Ashwin & Jadeja both can play.their sum of parts(batting + bowling) can be better than what 2 specialists can provide . for instance in the 2 tests Jadeja played in ENG+AUS he avg:s 38 from 4 inns with the bat & 32.08 with the ball taking 12 wkts. As per general perception 25 is a great bowl avg: & 50 is a great batting avg: So Jadeja avg:s 32 in bowling means he is 7 off from a great bowl avg:, which is equivalent of '14 off from a great batting avg:.In other words this 32 bowl avg: is equivalent to 50-14= 36 bat avg: Means from a pure specialist(say batting) point of view his combined avg: is 38 + 36 = 74 . Similarly Ashwin scored 246 runs from 12 inns in his recent last 7 tests in SENA. An avg: of 20.5.Also he picked 24 wkts from these 7 tests at 30.17. Means from a specialist batsman point of view his avg: is 20.5 +( 50 - (30.17-25)*2) = 60.16 So Jadeja avg:s 74 & Ashwin avg:s 60.16 from the point of view of a specialist batsman. That is far more than 2 specialist batsman each can provide for the team. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 averaging 25 after first game in Australia, our best out Fiedler and arguably best batsmen out of all our spinners. Gotta play at least next few games. Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 hours ago, R.D forever said: Ashwin took 6 wickets with better economy. Jadeja took 5. I don't think Jadeja did anything extraordinary to become the first choice spinner On a different wicket where Lyon got 8! This happened twice in consecutive games for him in Southampton & Adelaide. In contrast, Jadeja has better figures than Moeen/Rashid for the Oval test & Lyon for MCG. Not hard to do an apples to apples comparison. Stradlater, anish2tweet and manu4411 1 2 Link to comment
R.D forever Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Clarke said: On a different wicket where Lyon got 8! This happened twice in consecutive games for him in Southampton & Adelaide. In contrast, Jadeja has better figures than Moeen/Rashid for the Oval test & Lyon for MCG. Not hard to do an apples to apples comparison. That is not how it works. This is the 3rd test and our batsmen have just got better at playing lyon. Just because We played Lyon better doesn't mean Jadeja outbowled him. Compare the pitches. 1st innings in MCG had more rough than Adelaide. And Jaddu didn't exactly run through the side as predicted manu4411 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, R.D forever said: That is not how it works. This is the 3rd test and our batsmen have just got better at playing lyon. Just because We played Lyon better doesn't mean Jadeja outbowled him. Compare the pitches. 1st innings in MCG had more rough than Adelaide. And Jaddu didn't exactly run through the side as predicted Lol, added "as predicted" from your imagination. anish2tweet and Clarke 1 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 On 12/28/2018 at 8:09 PM, JourneyMan said: Kick out Rahane or Vihari so we can have Ashwin and Jadeja. Between them they score more runs and take more wickets overseas than the other two would. Pujara Kohli and Rahane form the backbone of our test batting. Agreed, of these Rahane is the most useless and unreliable fellow but dropping him ATM is neither sensible nor possible. Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, R.D forever said: That is not how it works. This is the 3rd test and our batsmen have just got better at playing lyon. Just because We played Lyon better doesn't mean Jadeja outbowled him. Compare the pitches. 1st innings in MCG had more rough than Adelaide. And Jaddu didn't exactly run through the side as predicted Yep, we suddenly got better at playing Lyon just after we got worse at Perth. And the prediction stuff Link to comment
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