SK_IH Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Simple question. Bumrah is a great addition to Ind's side but conquering Smith will remain a question. The thing is Smith has scored so much and so easily against Ind that I am unable to even visualize him consistently failing even against this Ind side. Warner seldom loses out in Aus as well. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Could we have won the WC 2003 had Dada decided to bat first, we'll all die wondering P.S. voted yes bowl_out, JourneyMan and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Could we have won the WC 2003 had Dada decided to bat first, we'll all die wondering P.S. voted yes no that Aus side was too powerful for Ind side any which way UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Nothing can stop Bumrah Train. This is his year !! Real McCoy, UrmiSinhaRay, GoldenSun and 2 others 1 1 3 Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I have my doubts. Am looking forward to Smith's return, he's the backbone & spine of Aus batting & we need a competitive Aus in test cricket. UrmiSinhaRay and GoldenSun 1 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I am pretty sure Smith will be poor when he comes back. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Yes, on these pitches, yes. Not on flat pitches. Both Smith and Warner are FTBs. Link to comment
raki05 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, SK_IH said: Simple question. Bumrah is a great addition to Ind's side but conquering Smith will remain a question. The thing is Smith has scored so much and so easily against Ind that I am unable to even visualize him consistently failing even against this Ind side. Warner seldom loses out in Aus as well. Highly doubt he is a dogmatic cricketer who doesn't like to throw his wicket. Can't say the same about warner , but smith could have really made the difference especially in first test which they lost marginally. velu and BrantFUGH 1 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, raki05 said: Highly doubt he is a dogmatic cricketer who doesn't like to throw his wicket. Can't say the same about warner , but smith could have really made the difference especially in first test which they lost marginally. dont under rate Warner, especially at home. His 100 scoring rate at home is phenomenal Link to comment
raki05 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, SK_IH said: dont under rate Warner, especially at home. His 100 scoring rate at home is phenomenal I dont underrate warner at all but giving smith more weight age in terms of making difference, as pitches this time is different than last time so i have my doubt on warner to perform on somewhat difficult pitches and with this bowling lineup of india. However if he is set he can really decimate any attack. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Interestingly, the last series Warner and Smith played in South Africa, they were largely nullified as batsmen as South Africa showed the blueprint for bowling to them. Steve Smith: keep tight 4th stump line and don’t give him anything to work away on leg David Warner: right handers should stick to over the wicket line and he’s vulnerable whereas he kills you when you come round the wicket. i remember holding on commentary asking why people never used these tactics before. also I don’t fancy either smith or Warner in challenging conditions such as this series. They tend to flourish on flat Australian tracks. So they were about to be exposed anyway. if you don’t believe me, here are their batting stats from that series: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;opposition=3;spanmin1=01+Jan+2018;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting Edited December 31, 2018 by mancalledsting Adi BB, nevada, putrevus and 5 others 1 2 5 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, SK_IH said: dont under rate Warner, especially at home. His 100 scoring rate at home is phenomenal Warner is an FTB. Pitches this series have not been flat. Ball has not come on to the bat. Sluggish pitches and Warner struggles. Suhaan, mancalledsting and Adi BB 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, raki05 said: I dont underrate warner at all but giving smith more weight age in terms of making difference, as pitches this time is different than last time so i have my doubt on warner to perform on somewhat difficult pitches and with this bowling lineup of india. However if he is set he can really decimate any attack. Smith struggled in SA on similar pitches we had this series. Suhaan and mancalledsting 2 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Warner is an FTB. Pitches this series have not been flat. Ball has not come on to the bat. Sluggish pitches and Warner struggles. Aus came within 20 runs of Indias score in Adeleaide in 1st innings which ultmately was the difference in that match.And then Aus scored more runs than Ind at Perth. Its just Melbourne that Aus batting crumble. So, I dont know how someone like Warner not have made more difference raki05 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 I cant understand the hubris of some of our fans. Toss has played a major role in the score line so far. Add to that the susceptible batting of Aus. I will wait till Sydney to pass judgement, because if we lose the toss we would chasing the match once again. GolGappe 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If If's and But's were candies and nuts, we'll be having a merry christmas! Ridgepi, BrantFUGH and nevada 1 1 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Smith and Warner combinedly have like 20 Test 100s in Australia. What do the present Aussie batsmen have now? Answer is No. raki05, UrmiSinhaRay and BrantFUGH 2 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, SK_IH said: Aus came within 20 runs of Indias score in Adeleaide in 1st innings which ultmately was the difference in that match.And then Aus scored more runs than Ind at Perth. Its just Melbourne that Aus batting crumble. So, I dont know how someone like Warner not have made more difference Because you will never how many runs he will score on challenging pitches. He has failed mostly if pitch isn't flat. Failed in SA as well. Also yes toss is important but that doesn't matter. How many times we could beat teams overseas if we win the toss in the past. This team has beaten SA, England and now Australia after winning the toss. In fact, we lost all tosses in England. Story could have been different had we won few tosses there. Edited December 31, 2018 by rkt.india UrmiSinhaRay and mancalledsting 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, SK_IH said: I cant understand the hubris of some of our fans. Toss has played a major role in the score line so far. Add to that the susceptible batting of Aus. I will wait till Sydney to pass judgement, because if we lose the toss we would chasing the match once again. Warner and Smith are as susceptible on pitches like these. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 100% No. Bumrah or No Bumrah,Batsman with calibre like Smith would not have failed in 8 innings..3 good innings and that would have defined series for them.. All this sandpaper gate has tainted him but He is bloody best batsman..And Not to forget Warner and Bancroft instead of Harris and Finch.Just look at the difference seen after Agrwal's introduction instead of those 2 non performers.. Edited December 31, 2018 by Bigg Brother Nikola and SK_IH 2 Link to comment
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