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Changes in the Indian test team after this series to make it even stronger

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Openers:- Shaw,Mayank as first choice.Priyank Panchal as reserve opener.

Time to axe Vijay for good and KL for now at least.

Middle-order batsman:- Pujara,Kohli & Vihari as first choice.Bring in Shubman Gill.

Drop Rohit and play him in LOIs only. Rahane should go back to domestics

to find his mojo.He's a shadow of his previous self.

WK/Batsman:- Pant deserves a longer run.Saha should be the reserve keeper

when he's fit.

Seam bowling all-rounder:- Don't have anyone except Hardik for now.

Spinner:- Ashwin,Jadeja,Kuldeep.

Seamers:- Bumrah,Shami,Ishant,BK + 1 from the barrage of exciting seamers we

have in domestics.My choice is Rajpoot for now.Drop useless Umesh.

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Draft in Shaw and Gill into first XI 

Draft in a new fast bowler from Ranji

 

Drop Vijay (permanently- too old for meaningful comeback)

Drop KLR- county service and time to reflect and come back stronger 

Drop Rahane- county service and time to reflect and come back stronger


Ashwin to continue on ketogenic diet/intermittent fasting

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7 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

do not take half fit players for free holidays. anyone not meeting fitness standards should be dropped immediately. 

Not really

 

Can get fit on the tour for 2nd or 4th test

 

Example.  If kohli injured before tour starts but can make 3rd or 4th test you dont take him?  Of course you do so .....dropped immmeditley....... o please we want to win not make silly rules up to stop us winning

 

 

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Create like-for-like backups for the 3 first choice fast bowlers in test matches --

 

1.  Bumrah  (  Strike bowler cum Enforcer pacer )   ...   Backup maybe  Avesh   (  Mavi maybe ready next season after some more FC games )

 

2.  Ishant  (  Accurate steady pacer who can move the ball  ) ...  Backups  Bhuvi,   Rajpoot,  Saini

 

3.  Shami  (  Quick bowler cum wicket taker )  ... Backups maybe  Avesh, Siraj,  Saini, Aniket C,  Umesh.

 

*   --  Bhuvi becomes first choice strike bowler in movement friendly places like England, Eden Gardens etc.  

 

Replace a pacer with the same kind of pacer, to keep the composition of the attack ok.

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1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Dubey lol  O please.  Not for tests no way. lol  In white ball cricket maybe

not seen enough of him .But his domestic record is so impressive , convincingly better than  that of  even Pandya as of now..

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15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Create like-for-like backups for the 3 first choice fast bowlers in test matches --

 

1.  Bumrah  (  Strike bowler cum Enforcer pacer )   ...   Backup maybe  Avesh   (  Mavi maybe ready next season after some more FC games )

 

2.  Ishant  (  Accurate steady pacer who can move the ball  ) ...  Backups  Bhuvi,   Rajpoot,  Saini

 

3.  Shami  (  Quick bowler cum wicket taker )  ... Backups maybe  Siraj,  Saini,  Umesh,  Aniket C.

 

*   --  Bhuvi becomes first choice strike bowler in movement friendly places like England, Eden Gardens etc.  

 

Replace a pacer with the same kind of pacer, to keep the composition of the attack ok.

Agree with everything except Umesh.He has lost it.Needs to bowl 140+ again to be effective.Right now

he's spraying the ball at 135ish.

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18 minutes ago, ShebbySB said:

Agree with everything except Umesh.He has lost it.Needs to bowl 140+ again to be effective.Right now

he's spraying the ball at 135ish.

 

Agree.

 

He is not my choice any more.  But I feel he will be back in tests in India.  So, he is a reluctant inclusion for now till the time I see him dropped.

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46 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Create like-for-like backups for the 3 first choice fast bowlers in test matches --

 

1.  Bumrah  (  Strike bowler cum Enforcer pacer )   ...   Backup maybe  Avesh   (  Mavi maybe ready next season after some more FC games )

 

2.  Ishant  (  Accurate steady pacer who can move the ball  ) ...  Backups  Bhuvi,   Rajpoot,  Saini

 

3.  Shami  (  Quick bowler cum wicket taker )  ... Backups maybe  Avesh, Siraj,  Saini, Aniket C,  Umesh.

 

*   --  Bhuvi becomes first choice strike bowler in movement friendly places like England, Eden Gardens etc.  

 

Replace a pacer with the same kind of pacer, to keep the composition of the attack ok.

Surprised with your post. Like for like will only result in disappointment. 

 

Btw is there any left arm swing bowler in the mode of young Irfan coming up? (Other than khaleel)

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guys we are on the cusp of winning a series in Aus. Just sit back and enjoy the moment. Hopefully we win this test and secure our number 1 ranking as well.

 

I think post this series focus will shift to the ODI WC. So we have plenty of time till the SA series for players to get into (or out) of form.

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1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Not really

 

Can get fit on the tour for 2nd or 4th test

 

Example.  If kohli injured before tour starts but can make 3rd or 4th test you dont take him?  Of course you do so .....dropped immmeditley....... o please we want to win not make silly rules up to stop us winning

 

 

he can go there once fit.

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I think new pacers will struggle to make an impact. Just because Shami, Ishant and Bumrah have been so great does not mean everyone is also great - breaking into Test cricket is hard (unless you are an Englishman bowling in England). Look at how clearly worse Umesh was - and he took 6 against West Indies. Ishant has been so good recently - excellent seam position and very accurate. Even Shami is a class above - because of how deadly some of his spells are - when he gets the reverse swing. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

Like for like will only result in disappointment. 

 

Why  ?

 

What I want to say is ... the team should not replace an accurate low economy pacer like Ishant of 2018  (  who allows the other more aggressive pacers like Bumrah and Shami to attack freely  )   with a pacer like say Siraj, who takes wickets but leak runs.  Someone like a Rajpoot or a Bhuvi  will control runs similar to Ishant of 2018.

 

Similarly,  a Bumrah can't be replaced by say a Bhuvi  ...  because Bumrah provides the extra pace and bounce in the attack.  Someone like an Avesh Khan might do the same.

 

So on and so forth.

 

11 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

Btw is there any left arm swing bowler in the mode of young Irfan coming up? (Other than khaleel)

 

Aniket Chaudhuri is a 6'5" fast-medium pacer who can swing the ball.   But he is much quicker than Irfan  and has a mean bouncer.

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Openers :shaw, mayank, panchal

Middle order :che, Kohli, vihari, gill

Keeper :pant, saha, bharat

Allrounder :pandya, dubey, Shankar 

Spinner :ash, jaddu, Kuldeep, Chahar

Pacers :Bumrah, shami, ishant, ankit, avesh, mavi, Siraj and Chaudhary. 

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Openers - Don't stop with Shaw and Mayank. Include 2 backups and rotate the openers in home series so that we have 4 good openers for next overseas season. Maybe Mukund and Rahul??

 

3,4 - Fixed

 

5 - Same logic. Try Rahane Gill and other domestic performers.  Have 4 players ready for this position

 

6 - Stop looking for seam bowling all-rounder. We don't have any now. Maybe try Vijay shanker for some time. No 6 should be a specialist batsman who can bowl a bit of spin. We can get lots of batting all-rounders like these in India. 

 

Seamers - Rotate the current lot. They won't have much work in India anyways

 

Spinners. Put Ashwin on a diet FFS. Very important for the home season. Ashwin Kaddi Kuldeep Vihari can clean up any side in India

 

Keeper -  Pant with samson and Dk in mix

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2 hours ago, ShebbySB said:

Openers:- Shaw,Mayank as first choice.Priyank Panchal as reserve opener.

Time to axe Vijay for good and KL for now at least.

Middle-order batsman:- Pujara,Kohli & Vihari as first choice.Bring in Shubman Gill.

Drop Rohit and play him in LOIs only. Rahane should go back to domestics

to find his mojo.He's a shadow of his previous self.

WK/Batsman:- Pant deserves a longer run.Saha should be the reserve keeper

when he's fit.

Seam bowling all-rounder:- Don't have anyone except Hardik for now.

Spinner:- Ashwin,Jadeja,Kuldeep.

Seamers:- Bumrah,Shami,Ishant,BK + 1 from the barrage of exciting seamers we

have in domestics.My choice is Rajpoot for now.Drop useless Umesh.

Rohit Sharma is not that bad in some kind of pitches. His LOI exploits will always put him in contention for a test spot. 

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I dont want to see the positive batmen or ones with intent namely Rahul, Murali, Rohit, Ajinkya anywhere near test team.

 

Those supporting Ajinkya just need to watch last few innings of his. Most of his runs came from ball in the air over point, gully slip region. Please send all these super bats back into limited over

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4 hours ago, ShebbySB said:

Openers:- Shaw,Mayank as first choice.Priyank Panchal as reserve opener.

Time to axe Vijay for good and KL for now at least.

Middle-order batsman:- Pujara,Kohli & Vihari as first choice.Bring in Shubman Gill.

Drop Rohit and play him in LOIs only. Rahane should go back to domestics

to find his mojo.He's a shadow of his previous self.

WK/Batsman:- Pant deserves a longer run.Saha should be the reserve keeper

when he's fit.

Seam bowling all-rounder:- Don't have anyone except Hardik for now.

Spinner:- Ashwin,Jadeja,Kuldeep.

Seamers:- Bumrah,Shami,Ishant,BK + 1 from the barrage of exciting seamers we

have in domestics.My choice is Rajpoot for now.Drop useless Umesh.

agree with most. we need one more wrist-spinner for the future IMO. Gopal is a candidate.

 

What we lack for the time being is a strong Nos. 5 and 6, as well as pace all-rounders.

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A lot depends on two events - IPL and WC. Say Rahul tops the IPL charts and has a decent WC (highly unlikely) will he be out of Test contention? Ditto with Rohit and even Dhawan. All these failures would be past by then.

 

Three players at maximum risk would be Vijay (perhaps career over), Rahane and Ashwin. I am tempted to put even Bhuvi in that list, if he cannot get a game in 4 tests in Australia, is he good enough? Ishant will start to fade away as well now that he’s back playing IPL. Umesh may stay around but will gradually get confined to IPL. Parthiv Patel anyways was a bad pick, should have sent another young keeper to Australia.

 

So the pool could potentially look like 

Openers - Shaw, Mayank (and perhaps Rahul)

MO - Pujara, Kohli, Vihari, Rohit (:((), Gill

Keepers - Pant and Bharat/Kishan

Spinners - Jadeja, Kuldeep, Ashwin (only if fit)

Pacers - Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Rajpoot/Aniket (like to like replacement for Ishant, tall 85 mph bowlers)

 

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2 hours ago, R.D forever said:

Openers - Don't stop with Shaw and Mayank. Include 2 backups and rotate the openers in home series so that we have 4 good openers for next overseas season. Maybe Mukund and Rahul??

 

3,4 - Fixed

 

5 - Same logic. Try Rahane Gill and other domestic performers.  Have 4 players ready for this position

 

6 - Stop looking for seam bowling all-rounder. We don't have any now. Maybe try Vijay shanker for some time. No 6 should be a specialist batsman who can bowl a bit of spin. We can get lots of batting all-rounders like these in India. 

  

Seamers - Rotate the current lot. They won't have much work in India anyways

 

Spinners. Put Ashwin on a diet FFS. Very important for the home season. Ashwin Kaddi Kuldeep Vihari can clean up any side in India

 

Keeper -  Pant with samson and Dk in mix

shankar is not an all-rounder for long format. he is a sub-ganguly level bowler. averages over 50 with the ball in FC.

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7 hours ago, ShebbySB said:

Openers:- Shaw,Mayank as first choice.Priyank Panchal as reserve opener.

Time to axe Vijay for good and KL for now at least.

Middle-order batsman:- Pujara,Kohli & Vihari as first choice.Bring in Shubman Gill.

Drop Rohit and play him in LOIs only. Rahane should go back to domestics

to find his mojo.He's a shadow of his previous self.

WK/Batsman:- Pant deserves a longer run.Saha should be the reserve keeper

when he's fit.

Seam bowling all-rounder:- Don't have anyone except Hardik for now.

Spinner:- Ashwin,Jadeja,Kuldeep.

Seamers:- Bumrah,Shami,Ishant,BK + 1 from the barrage of exciting seamers we

have in domestics.My choice is Rajpoot for now.Drop useless Umesh.

      I think we should move on. K Bharat should be reserve WK.

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4 hours ago, JourneyMan said:

Surprising as it sounds the key concern for India in the near future is to have a world class spinner. We had Kumble, Bhajji and Ashwin but I don't see anyone filling their shoes. 

None of them were very effective outside home, except for kumble towards late career in patches. at home, jaddu is almost as good as this trio you mentioned - he is fit enough, and just turned 30. can serve indian team for 5-6 yrs if form does not desert him. I also feel we have decent wrist-spinners who are around. kuldeep is one candidate, but gopal needs more Ind A exposure. problem is that he does not bowl enough for karnataka. among youngsters - rahul chahar has amazing talent, and is doing well in domestics. zeeshan ansari may also develop at some later stage.

 

my biggest concern would be off-spinners. the best off-spinner in the past few yrs in Ranjis is Jalaj Saxena (who also bats well), and Rasool has also done well. but, they are mostly ignored by selectors - have not seen them bowl, but maybe they are domestic giants who are not int'l class. we need to look for young offies to replace ashwin. likes of sundar and gani are nowhere near ashwin's ability.

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5 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

      I think we should move on. K Bharat should be reserve WK.

Bharat's keeping is unproven on spin wkts.. he mostly plays on swinging Vijaywada wkts which has true bounce.

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48 minutes ago, diga said:

Bharat's keeping is unproven on spin wkts.. he mostly plays on swinging Vijaywada wkts which has true bounce.

saw him keep in some match where there was a lot of turn. seems like a decent keeper to me, but he is not really saha-level. his batting was promising initially, but has fallen off. seems to be rediscovering some touches as of late.

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Shaw

Mayank

Pujara

Kohli

Gill

Vihari

Pant

Jadeja

Ashwin/Kuldeep/ishant

Shami

Bumrah

 

Reserves -

New 3rd opener until rahul can get his mojo back(NOT dhawan)

Rohit

Siraj

Bhuvi

Umesh

Pandya

Saha

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19 hours ago, Vijy said:

agree with most. we need one more wrist-spinner for the future IMO. Gopal is a candidate.

 

What we lack for the time being is a strong Nos. 5 and 6, as well as pace all-rounders.

Hope Dubey,Mavi and Nagarkoti evolve into pace bowling all-rounders.All of them are young and exciting.

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21 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Rohit Sharma is not that bad in some kind of pitches. His LOI exploits will always put him in contention for a test spot. 

Time to give Gill a go.Specially after looking at the fixtures of 2019.

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3 hours ago, ShebbySB said:

Hope Dubey,Mavi and Nagarkoti evolve into pace bowling all-rounders.All of them are young and exciting.

dubey's form is already falling off. mavi and nagarkoti are, as of now, bowlers who can bat.

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3 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

Who can replace Rahane?.I feel Gill is more of a top order or an opener.we need to find a replacement for Rahane because he is nearing his end in all formats.

gill can bat in middle order. in A teams, he has batted in middle order.

Mayank, Shaw, Che, Kohli, Vihari can be our top 5. if we play 6 batsmen, gill can play at 6. if we play all-rounders, pant can bat at 6 and one of pandya/ashwin/jaddu can come in at 7.

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16 minutes ago, Vijy said:

gill can bat in middle order. in A teams, he has batted in middle order.

Mayank, Shaw, Che, Kohli, Vihari can be our top 5. if we play 6 batsmen, gill can play at 6. if we play all-rounders, pant can bat at 6 and one of pandya/ashwin/jaddu can come in at 7.

 

Gill looks much more compact and promising than Vihari.  If we plan to play just 5 batters, I would prefer him.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill looks much more compact and promising than Vihari.  If we plan to play just 5 batters, I would prefer him.

 

 

yes, it should be one of these 2. I was being conservative here, but I'd gladly see gill at 5 too, especially by blooding him against the weaker teams like zim, bang and SL.

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5 hours ago, ShebbySB said:

Hope Dubey,Mavi and Nagarkoti evolve into pace bowling all-rounders.All of them are young and exciting.

Look Dubey as bowler is pathetic.  Bowls like 68 mph gun barel straight.  Dubey as for batting in tests, o please, played like 4 FC games

 

Dubey can be white ball hitter down order maybe, long way to go for this one

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On 1/4/2019 at 11:00 PM, King Tendulkar said:

Look Dubey as bowler is pathetic.  Bowls like 68 mph gun barel straight.  Dubey as for batting in tests, o please, played like 4 FC games

 

Dubey can be white ball hitter down order maybe, long way to go for this one

Any 1 among them will do.

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