zen Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) It is an open secret that Pant has potential and he is expected to be in the scheme of things esp. since he functions as an WK AR. During the series in Aus, we can see he has picked up on how to bat in tests. Now it is probably the right time to give him the responsibility to bat at 6. We have wasted enough resources including losing matches by persisting with TTFs like Rahane, Rahul, Vijay, etc. Vihari is ok but does not appear as a finished product at the moment relative to some of the players with potential. Sooner or later, he is likely to be replaced. Currently, we are only trying to catch the ear with the wrong hand. Probably now the time is right to plunge with playing those who we know have the potential and will finally be drafted (after trying various combinations) In 2019, we play 2 tests in WI and then host SA (3 tests) and BD (2 tests) .... Moving up to #6 (or even higher in future as a pure batsman) is a natural path of progression for him The top 6 Agarwal Shaw Pujara Kohli Gill Pant PS performance in Aus series so far View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 dec 2018 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 16 of 16 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s CA Pujara 4 7 0 521 193 74.42 1258 41.41 3 1 1 50 2 MA Agarwal 2 3 0 195 77 65.00 375 52.00 0 2 0 19 5 RR Pant 4 7 1 312 121* 52.00 443 70.42 1 0 0 26 4 V Kohli 4 7 0 282 123 40.28 684 41.22 1 1 1 31 1 RG Sharma 2 4 1 106 63* 35.33 199 53.26 0 1 0 7 3 AM Rahane 4 7 0 217 70 31.00 463 46.86 0 2 0 18 3 RA Jadeja 2 3 1 54 45* 27.00 88 61.36 0 0 0 3 1 GH Vihari 3 5 0 111 42 22.20 328 33.84 0 0 0 12 0 R Ashwin 1 2 0 30 25 15.00 94 31.91 0 0 0 1 0 M Vijay 2 4 0 49 20 12.25 154 31.81 0 0 1 4 0 KL Rahul 3 5 0 57 44 11.40 102 55.88 0 0 1 5 1 Edited January 4, 2019 by zen diehardpacer 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, zen said: It is an open secret that Pant has potential and he is expected to be in the scheme of things esp. since he functions as an WK AR. During the series in Aus, we can see he has picked up on how to bat in tests. Now it is probably the right time to give him the responsibility to bat at 6. We have wasted enough resources including losing matches by persisting with TTFs like Rahane, Rahul, Vijay, etc. Vihari is ok but does not appear as a finished product at the moment relative to some of the players with potential. Sooner or later, he is likely to be replaced. Currently, we are only trying to catch the ear with the wrong hand. Probably the time is right now to plunge with playing those who we know have the potential and will finally be drafted (after trying various combinations) The top 6 that Agarwal Shaw Pujara Kohli Gill Pant this would be an ideal future top 6 in some countries. however, I think vihari should also be in the mix (and Rohit will be backed by team management). if we play 5 bowlers, I think pant can at 6 and two of pandya, bhuvi, ashwin, jaddu should bat at 7 and 8. zen 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 He is good at 7 cowboysfan 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 no need, he is good at his position. Can we get him in all formats please. Dhoni should move on ffs beetle and diehardpacer 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, SK_IH said: no need, he is good at his position. Can we get him in all formats please. Dhoni should move on ffs he won't move. he is stuck like fevicol (or boycott) to the ODI and T20 teams. beetle 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) Pant 159* .... scored close to or more in 1 inning than what some of those who batted above him scored in the series .... career avg now close to 50 Records type batting analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s overall 9 15 1 696 159* 49.71 943 73.80 2 2 1 70 17 Prof PS View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 dec 2018 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 16 of 16 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s CA Pujara 4 7 0 521 193 74.42 1258 41.41 3 1 1 50 2 MA Agarwal 2 3 0 195 77 65.00 375 52.00 0 2 0 19 5 RR Pant 4 7 1 350 159* 58.33 473 73.99 1 0 0 31 5 V Kohli 4 7 0 282 123 40.28 684 41.22 1 1 1 31 1 RG Sharma 2 4 1 106 63* 35.33 199 53.26 0 1 0 7 3 AM Rahane 4 7 0 217 70 31.00 463 46.86 0 2 0 18 3 RA Jadeja 2 3 0 90 81 30.00 123 73.17 0 1 0 9 1 GH Vihari 3 5 0 111 42 22.20 328 33.84 0 0 0 12 0 R Ashwin 1 2 0 30 25 15.00 94 31.91 0 0 0 1 0 M Vijay 2 4 0 49 20 12.25 154 31.81 0 0 1 4 0 KL Rahul 3 5 0 57 44 11.40 102 55.88 0 0 1 5 1 Edited January 4, 2019 by zen Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Lords - 114 Sydney - 159 * With him batting so well, think we have a magnificent all-rounder (wicket keeper - batsman). If we can bat him at 6, we can easily play 5 specialist bowlers and improve chances of winning more tests. A decision can be taken once he gathers bit more experience in tests (by end of this calendar year). Then promote him to 6 in 2020 so he is fully prepared to accommodate the No. 6 spot. diehardpacer 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, zen said: Pant 159* .... scored closed to or more in 1 inning than what some of those who batted above him scored in the series .... .... career avg now close to 50 49.71 and 2 centuries both outside india. in fact, this yr even the WI was pretty good (statistically), like gabriel and holder. I'd say that he has scored very well without encountering any minnows so far. Link to comment
zen Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Lords - 114 Sydney - 159 * With him batting so well, think we have a magnificent all-rounder (wicket keeper - batsman). If we can bat him at 6, we can easily play 5 specialist bowlers and improve chances of winning more tests. A decision can be taken once he gathers bit more experience in tests (by end of this calendar year). Then promote him to 6 in 2020 so he is fully prepared to accommodate the No. 6 spot. There is probably no need to wait that long as in 2019, we play 2 tests in WI and play at home vs SA (3 tests) and BD (2 tests) so a good opportunity for him to transition to #6 Straight Drive 1 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 He's fine at 7. We need our No. 5 and 6 to score runs consistently. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The issue in tests for WK is that the longer they bat the more their keeping may be affected. It is because they have to do their keeping squats and keep up their concentration again after long batting session. This is why even someone like Gilchrist batted mostly at 7 and only at times came up to 6 when quick runs were required. So let Pant stay at 7 as his keeping is unarguably more important especially overseas. Link to comment
diga Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 If he can consistently avg upwards of 40 with no degradation in keeping, we can play him at 6 with an additional bowler/allrounder playing... May help us win more express bowling 1 Link to comment
tweaker Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The selection committee should note that all the new players ie Shaw, Rishabh, Mayank have grabbed their opportunities. Now instead of selecting tried and failed players they should select those who have performed well in domestic as well as a tour express bowling and diehardpacer 2 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, zen said: There is probably no need to wait that long as in 2019, we play 2 tests in WI and play at home vs SA (3 tests) and BD (2 tests) so a good opportunity for him to transition to #6 Yeah next test series is against Zimbos , then WI. Can actually try that in next one. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 we need a batting alrounder at 6. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Against WI Pandya PAnt Ashwin Jadeja Can be our order from 6-9 , pant and pandya both shud be swaped sometimes at 6.....series against WI n Bang will give them runs n boost their confidence . Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Against WI Pandya PAnt Ashwin Jadeja Can be our order from 6-9 , pant and pandya both shud be swaped sometimes at 6.....series against WI n Bang will give them runs n boost their confidence . Dont want Ashwin. he will again get injured mid series. Either need to blood Kuldeep for full-time or some other off spinner like Gowtham. Ashwin's time is up in my book. Edited January 4, 2019 by rkt.india SK_IH 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Dont want Ashwin. he will again get injured mid series. Either need to blood Kuldeep for full-time or some other off spinner like Gowtham. Ashwin's time is up in my book. If Ash is unfit or semi-fit then in India 6. Pant 7. Pandya / Gowtham 8. Jadeja 9. Kuldeep 10. Shami 11. Bumrah / Avesh ( if Bumrah rested ) Edited January 4, 2019 by express bowling Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The ATG Gilchrist batted at 7. Jeff Dujon batted at 7. Pant has potential but should bat at no.7 in tests. We need 6 batsmen + WK(7) + 4 bowlers. History of great cricketing teams in the past (Aus in the 00s and WI in the 80s for example) tell us a key story - Specialists for the job no "allrounders". I'm not against allrounders but only against those who are neither here nor there like Mitch Marsh. That type of player will lose a lot of matches by pretending to be an allrounder. Also we need a specialist keeper (it is more important to keep well in contrast to batting well in tests). A catch not taken or stumping not done can prove costly than a century not scored at no.7. Also keepers have to crouch and get up and they have to do it for 540 balls a day. They need a bit of rest. Case in point, Sangakkara gave up the gloves because he is most useful as a batsman at no.3 and let Chandimal do it. Now Chandimal has given it to Dickwella. Pant may have dropped the catch off of Khawaja due to tiredness. We need to take this into account. If Pant is more useful as a batsman who can bat at no.6 and above, then we need to look at giving the keeping gloves to someone else. Its still early days. We will see how it pans out in the future. As it is our batting stocks are many (if selectors do their job and Kohli picks the right team), we can afford to play Pant at no.7. He could become our Gilchrist Link to comment
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