zen Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 His avg in domestic is high and shows good fighting spirit when at the crease. You would expect some technical competency from a batsman representing India .... So far, his performances are nothing much to write about. Appears to have been found out against the short ball in a short time. At the moment does not inspire confidence of being able to hit 50+ scores on a consistent basis. Has played on relatively good batting surfaces in SEA, therefore, I am not sure how he would have fared if he had debuted in SA Discuss -> Is Vihari a good deal or a glorified night watchman at the moment? velu 1 Link to comment
Number Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Sidhe sidhe bolo you want Pandya in his place Seriously though, to me he has looked solid. He was getting battered at MCG by short balls but that pitch had variable bounce. He looked comfortable against them this test. Need to score big I agree but we need to give him 4 5 tests more. Clarke and The Dark Horse 2 Link to comment
zen Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Number said: Sidhe sidhe bolo you want Pandya in his place Seriously though, to me he has looked solid. He was getting battered at MCG by short balls but that pitch had variable bounce. He looked comfortable against them this test. Need to score big I agree but we need to give him 4 5 tests more. He has looked good in patches like you said. I am also judging him vs some of the other youngsters such Harris and Labuschange (playing now), these two look more fluent on a pitch that should suit them all Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, zen said: He has looked good in patches like you said. I am also judging him vs some of the other youngsters such Harris and Labuschange (playing now), these two look more fluent on a pitch that should suit them all Harris and labu are playing at home. Huge difference. Vihari also looked very confident in this test with the bat. Switchblade and anish2tweet 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 We have to see him more to form a clearer opinion. As of now, it is difficult to say whether he is good enough for test cricket or not. Has a glaring weakness against the short ball. To counter it, he is trying to stay to the leg side of the ball and this may weaken his off-stump game, which was decent. He looks to be a fighter though. He hangs on and does not gift his wicket away. And he has punch in his strokes. Has a very good square cut and drives well too. He needs to be given some more chances to prove his mettle, because he is a fighter. Mosher 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, express bowling said: We have to see him more to form a clearer opinion. As of now, it is difficult to say whether he is good enough for test cricket or not. Has a glaring weakness against the short ball. To counter it, he is trying to stay to the leg side of the ball and this may weaken his off-stump game, which was decent. He looks to be a fighter though. He hangs on and does not gift his wicket away. And he has punch in his strokes. Has a very good square cut and drives well too. He needs to be given some more chances to prove his mettle, because he is a fighter. It's not easy making debut against good bowling attacks such as England and Australia. Him not playing against WI was a huge blunder by TM. A few home tests would have eased his nerves and some scores under his belt. Link to comment
zen Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rkt.india said: It's not easy making debut against good bowling attacks such as England and Australia. Him not playing against WI was a huge blunder by TM. A few home tests would have eased his nerves and some scores under his belt. He has played on relatively good batting pitches though .... In the games he has scored 40+ in an inning, both Pant and Jadeja have scored in those games .... I understand that he is new but many of the new guys have impressed on debut or in debut series SENA (for e.g. Ganguly and Dravid in Eng, Sehwag in SA, KL in Aus, Pant in Eng, Agarwal in this series) Edited January 5, 2019 by zen Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, zen said: He has played on relatively good batting pitches though .... In the games he has scored 40+ in an inning, both Pant and Jadeja have scored in those games .... I understand that he is knew but many of the new guys have impressed on debut overseas (KL for example) Only this test is a good batting pitch and looked good before given out wrongly. Even he has impressed. Edited January 5, 2019 by rkt.india Link to comment
zen Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Only this test is a good batting pitch and looked good before given out wrongly. Even he has impressed. Agarwal who made his debut in this series has impressed .... Others guys who have impressed in their debut series in SENA are Ganguly and Dravid in Eng, Sehwag in SA, Pant in Eng (hit that 100), Agarwal here .... Not Vihari to that extent, who made his debut on a relatively good batting pitch in Eng .... in fact if he had debuted in SA, his avg could have been even lower and may have missed the plane to Aus Edited January 5, 2019 by zen Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, rkt.india said: It's not easy making debut against good bowling attacks such as England and Australia. Him not playing against WI was a huge blunder by TM. A few home tests would have eased his nerves and some scores under his belt. Agree. Should have played against the WI. Even Siraj and Rajpoot should have. But the technical weakness that he has needs to be addressed if he wants to succeed in international cricket. That is a separate issue. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, express bowling said: Agree. Should have played against the WI. Even Siraj and Rajpoot should have. But the technical weakness that he has needs to be addressed if he wants to succeed in international cricket. That is a separate issue. Don't think he has a big technical issue. Short ball is a non-issue untill it starts affecting your front foot movement like it was with Raina who started hanging back. Many players with short ball issues had good careers. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, zen said: Agarwal who made his debut in this series has impressed .... Others guys who have impressed in their debut series in SENA are Ganguly and Dravid in Eng, Sehwag in SA, Pant in Eng (hit that 100), Agarwal here .... Not Vihari to that extent, who made his debut on a relatively good batting pitch in Eng .... in fact if he had debuted in SA, his avg could have been even lower and may have missed the plane to Aus Such players who do well immediately are exceptions, not norms. He has looked good enough to be persisted with. I will not consider a player good if he fails in India. Edited January 5, 2019 by rkt.india Switchblade 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Such players who do well immediately are exceptions, not norms. He has looked good enough to be persisted with. We have exceptional players currently in Agarwal, Shaw (did well vs WI but was a home series), Pant, who debuted in Eng too, and Gill has potential to join that group .... Not saying that Vihari is bad but has to show something for the chances that he is getting as for a specialist batsman competition can be tough in India PS Pant played with him in Eng and Aus. Agarwal in Aus. Both avg much higher than Vihari Edited January 5, 2019 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Batting since Vihari's debut (away games) View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 7 Sep 2018 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 17 of 17 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s MA Agarwal 2 3 0 195 77 65.00 375 52.00 0 2 0 19 5 CA Pujara 5 9 0 558 193 62.00 1362 40.96 3 1 2 55 2 RR Pant 5 9 1 469 159* 58.62 627 74.80 2 0 0 47 9 RA Jadeja 3 5 1 189 86* 47.25 325 58.15 0 2 0 22 2 V Kohli 5 9 0 331 123 36.77 755 43.84 1 1 2 37 1 RG Sharma 2 4 1 106 63* 35.33 199 53.26 0 1 0 7 3 KL Rahul 4 7 0 243 149 34.71 379 64.11 1 0 1 29 2 AM Rahane 5 9 0 254 70 28.22 577 44.02 0 2 1 23 3 GH Vihari 4 7 0 167 56 23.85 458 36.46 0 1 1 19 1 R Ashwin 1 2 0 30 25 15.00 94 31.91 0 0 0 1 0 M Vijay 2 4 0 49 20 12.25 154 31.81 0 0 1 4 0 Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I am willing to give players like Vihari a longer rope than no hopers like Rohit,hope the selectors keep him for all the home series coming up. King Tendulkar 1 Link to comment
NameGoesHere Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I'm not convinced- this is my armchair expert, make -a -call- on -seeing- him- bat -a -few - times self speaking. I didn't notice a huge weakness in bis backfoot play, thought he was actually fine What worried me was the reverse - he has such a gap between bat and pad when playing on the front foot, I worry he'll be taken down in short order on a faster or seaming pitch, or in swinging conditions against international quality bowling. We'll see. For the moment he deserves a good solid run. Edited January 5, 2019 by NameGoesHere Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Desreves a run. Will improve, alrwady seems to be Not easy debut contries and not as if flunked Defo weakness against short ball, well known that. But has detemination and dicipline. Knows how to build innings and go big. Pujara also sucked v short ball for a while but after years has over come. This test played short ball much better as got out of way, helped pitch more consistent so could trust bounce. Also he decided that if short ball goes wrong and is wide he cut it. Like fact happy to occupy innings . Will get home series and must play ahead of rohit now Edited January 5, 2019 by King Tendulkar Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, rkt.india said: Don't think he has a big technical issue. Short ball is a non-issue untill it starts affecting your front foot movement like it was with Raina who started hanging back. Many players with short ball issues had good careers. The short ball, or for that matter any other type of ball, becomes an issue if you either keep getting dismissed by it. Or if you modify your normal game to nullify the problem ball but end up creating new weaknesses. Vihari has been troubled by the short ball in every test he has played. Got dismissed twice and was almost dismissed by Stokes in England but a catch was dropped. This has happened in just 3 earlier tests. Moreover, he has modified his game in this test, staying on the leg side of the ball to avoid the short ball. And he is not coming on the front foot to good length balls to the extent that he does in FC. Needs to sort out these issues. He can definite do it. Edited January 5, 2019 by express bowling Link to comment
velu Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 he handled short ball well when he came down the order .. should be given more chances to establish himself Link to comment
Gollum Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Guy can't seem to get a break. Struggled today but batting conditions were very tough. Hope he at least gets a 50 in 3rd innings. Link to comment
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