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Pakistan's Skipper complain about lack of pace in their attack

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

SA  pacers weren't bowling at an average speed of 145 k.    :phehe:

 

Their average speeds were more in the 137 k to 140 k mark, leaving Philander who must have averaged in the high 120s.

 

Both Rabada and Olivier bowled lots of deliveries in the 132 k to 137 k range.  But they bowled 137 k to 147 k spells in this series too.

 

Only Steyn was almost always 137 k to 145 k zone with a fastest of 148 k.

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They are a skilled, accurate attack but very low on pace. Barely fast medium especially without Hassan. The lack of pace has allowed Amla,Faf,QDK to score runs and none of them had done anything substantial for over a year. Simply weren't hustled for pace enough. 

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No surprises, that's why they have lost like 10 tests matches in a row in SA, Aus and NZ. 

Last guy with genuine pace (able to bowl 140 kph) was Wahab Riaz but he was a scattergun. 

 

Too many of their players are weak or skinny. Abbas looks like a teletubbies. 

 

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What's surprising is that Amir is capable of bowling at 90 MPH but in tests he just doesn't try to bowl fast.

They do have bowlers who can bowl fast but do they have the skills that Abbas possesses??

 

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Hehe, their PM is a former phassht legend, all rounder & WC winning captain while their current captain complains about lack of pace after losing one series after another, "home" or away :laugh:

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Growing up i never thought ill see 2 things

 

  • Such a **** aussie team
  • Pakistan bowler trundeling at 130k 

 

 

Aussies are not that bad of a team, India is just too good.

 

Pakistan was never a pace factory. Those were myths generated before Internet. I have seen Pakistan legen bowl and there was no pace.

 

I still have a open challenge for my Pakistani brothers if they can show me one single evidence of the two W's having bowled three balls in excess of 90 mph in one over. None.

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49 minutes ago, Hisham said:

What's surprising is that Amir is capable of bowling at 90 MPH but in tests he just doesn't try to bowl fast.

 

Only when he has to bowl a handful of overs a day.  He has difficulty bowling quick in ODIs these days.

 

49 minutes ago, Hisham said:

They do have bowlers who can bowl fast but do they have the skills that Abbas possesses??

 

 

Only Wahab is there nowadays, among international and near selection pacers.

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49 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Hehe, their PM is a former phassht legend, all rounder & WC winning captain while their current captain complains about lack of pace after losing one series after another, "home" or away :laugh:

    Who knows PM may jump in ... and start bowling ...!

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39 minutes ago, Khota said:

Aussies are not that bad of a team, India is just too good.

 

Agree strongly.    Their bowling is quite good.  And their batting just saved a difficult test match in the UAE in the earlier series.

 

39 minutes ago, Khota said:

 

I still have a open challenge for my Pakistani brothers if they can show me one single evidence of the two W's having bowled three balls in excess of 90 mph in one over. None.

 

True.

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53 minutes ago, Khota said:

Aussies are not that bad of a team, India is just too good.

 

 Pakistan was never a pace factory. Those were myths generated before Internet. I have seen Pakistan legen bowl and there was no pace.

  

 I still have a open challenge for my Pakistani brothers if they can show me one single evidence of the two W's having bowled three balls in excess of 90 mph in one over. None.

There is video of Waqar bowling 150 kph. 3 balls of 90+ should not be difficult.

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21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Only when he has to bowl a handful of overs a day.  He has difficulty bowling quick in ODIs these days.

 

 

Only Wahab is there nowadays, among international and near selection pacers.

True.

This is all a myth. They just don't have pace bowlers anymore.

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4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

There is video of Waqar bowling 150 kph. 3 balls of 90+ should not be difficult.

I have yet to see one. You can have an effort ball here and there but it takes supreme fitness to do that.

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1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    Who knows PM may jump in ... and start bowling ...!

bottle tops are not allowed mate .... .even  great players are  experiencing  the bitter results of even using sand paper..... that being the case , gives shivers to think as to the effects of using bottle tops, screw drivers, knives etc  etc!!!!!!!!

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Only when he has to bowl a handful of overs a day.  He has difficulty bowling quick in ODIs these days.

 

 

Only Wahab is there nowadays, among international and near selection pacers.

Yes,maybe it has to do something with fitness or maybe he is deliberately bowling a bit slow in tests as he plays all 3 formats and is interested in prolonging his career and stay injury free.

They have some good U19 bowlers coming up.There maybe a lot of talk regarding Mavi and Nagarkotti but if you look at their U19 bowlers you would realise that they certainly are good.Saw Musa who bowled consistently over 140 and touched 147 in U19 WC.They have 3 to 4 genuine fast bowlers coming through.

 

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1 hour ago, Hisham said:

 

They have some good U19 bowlers coming up.There maybe a lot of talk regarding Mavi and Nagarkotti but if you look at their U19 bowlers you would realise that they certainly are good.Saw Musa who bowled consistently over 140 and touched 147 in U19 WC.They have 3 to 4 genuine fast bowlers coming through.

 

 

Pace bowling talent is still there in Pakistan  but I feel that their system for developing good quality quick bowlers has deteriorated.

 

And having that system is the key.  We did not have it earlier but have it now from 2015 onwards.  So, we have started getting a bunch of quality quick bowlers.

 

Musa looked good to me too.  He is a short skiddy bowler who may do well on the slow and low tracks.  But is he getting sufficient FC exposure and infrastructure to develop  ?   I am not sure.  I feel Shaheen Afridi too has been introduced a bit earlier than ideal.  He is a skilful bowler who may still do well in his career,  but will he realize his true potential  ?  Not sure.  Once he settles down as a comfortable medium pacer, it is difficult to scale up later on.

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Problem with Sarfaraz is he talks lot of crap to his bowlers from behind the stumps and doesn’t even let his bowlers bowl the way they want to. 

 

He might have won CT but I am sure many bowlers aren’t happy playing under him as he suggests too much line change whenever there is a bad ball bowled by a Pakistani bowler.

 

I wish we never have such captain suggesting to change the ball every 2nd delivery. Let the bowler bowl. 

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4 hours ago, Khota said:

Aussies are not that bad of a team, India is just too good.

 

Pakistan was never a pace factory. Those were myths generated before Internet. I have seen Pakistan legen bowl and there was no pace.

 

I still have a open challenge for my Pakistani brothers if they can show me one single evidence of the two W's having bowled three balls in excess of 90 mph in one over. None.

I don't think Wasim was express. More like fast medium, but waqar was fast. I have videos of 1999 of him bowling at 135-143 ks, so in early 90s he must be 140-150 ks bowler 

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They lost primarily because of their batting and not the bowling. Of course, Sarfaraz doesn't want to admit that because he himself was guilty. He got a pair in the first Test. Abbas has done well for them before, probably just had a bad match. Not fair to castigate bowlers like that in a press conference when they have been winning matches for you. It is the batting that is shambolic. 

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Growing up i never thought ill see 2 things

 

  • Such a **** aussie team
  • Pakistan bowler trundeling at 130k 

 

 

Karma is a bytch, they use to make fun of our bowlers, it has come to bite them behind their rear. 

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Growing up i never thought ill see 2 things

 

  • Such a **** aussie team
  • Pakistan bowler trundeling at 130k 

 

 

Karma is a bytch, they use to make fun of our bowlers, it has come to bite them behind their rear. 

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1 hour ago, Insidious said:

I don't think Wasim was express. More like fast medium, but waqar was fast. I have videos of 1999 of him bowling at 135-143 ks, so in early 90s he must be 140-150 ks bowler 

Still no proof though. Pakistan pace bowling is a myth which gullible India fans follow blindly.

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2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

He doesn't know why they are slow? He is missing from practice sessions, dressing room and meetings?

He is making excuses. he knew all along what he had. This was not an overnight drop of pace.

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6 hours ago, Khota said:

Still no proof though. Pakistan pace bowling is a myth which gullible India fans follow blindly.

Well in those days, there were no speed guns. So no proof. But waqar of 1989-1993 look visibly quicker than waqar of 1998-2003.

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19 minutes ago, Insidious said:

Well in those days, there were no speed guns. So no proof. But waqar of 1989-1993 look visibly quicker than waqar of 1998-2003.

I am in no way diminishing their contribution to the game as they were the greatest. At the same time they were not as fast as the urban legends have them as.

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Last year U19 WC we saw afridi from pak and mavi nagarkoti from India. Even then i felt our boys were better but for the sake of argument lets say mavi and afridi were on par. Afridi is playing test cricket. Mavi wont be near test side from 2yrs atleast.

 

Pak cupboard is empty.

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