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Was Pujara's series performance best ever series performance by Indian batsman?

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Had all types of performances ranging from 1st gear to 4th gear. He did almost everything you could ask for.

 

1. Seeing off new ball in tough conditions - check

2. Playing with tailenders and scoring quickly - check

3. Stonewalling - check

4. Big hundred - check

5. Dominating spinner - check

6. Not getting roughed up by pacers - check

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In a winning series overseas (outside subcon), Pujara’s this one and Gavaskar’s 750+ runs in WI in 71 ....  consistent performances throughout the series 

 

At home (familiar conditions) in a winning series, VVS vs Aus in 2001 series .... but this was influenced by one major (ATG) inning 

 

In subcon, Sehwag in Pak 

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10 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

I would have said yes  

  

But looking at gavaskar in 1972 against that all time great bowling attack I think he should take that mantle

That was a pop gun attack. Forget ATG, no bowler would even fall in category of very good bowler.

 

Something similar to what India faced against England in 2016 where Rashid and Moeen were main bowlers.

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14 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

I would have said yes  

 

But looking at gavaskar in 1972 against that all time great bowling attack I think he should take that mantle

That was not a all time great attack. Bernard Julien, Daniel , Sobers were the Pacers.  Having said that it was the best batting I have seen. Sunny was on debut, finger infection made him miss first test. He scored 774 runs in 4 tests on debut tour that too overseas . More importantly we won 1-0 because of him. Since then we have toured WI many times and haven't won after that.

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6 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

That was not a all time great attack. Bernard Julien, Daniel , Sobers were the Pacers.  Having said that it was the best batting I have seen. Sunny was on debut, finger infection made him miss first test. He scored 774 runs in 4 tests on debut tour that too overseas . More importantly we won 1-0 because of him. Since then we have toured WI many times and haven't won after that.

India have won their last 3 test series in WI.

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Pujara's knock remind me more of Amarnath than Dravid....Amarnath in test series with Pak and WI, the two toughest, in 1982-83 season was the probably the most phenomenal batting I ever saw (actually just saw vs Pak no Tv coverage at WI but it was probably the best pace attack ever)

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1 minute ago, singhprakash72 said:

Pujara's knock remind me more of Amarnath than Dravid....Amarnath in test series with Pak and WI, the two toughest, in 1982-83 season was the probably the most phenomenal batting I ever saw (actually just saw vs Pak no Tv coverage at WI but it was probably the best pace attack ever)

Mohinder Amarnath did solve the number 3 problem then and played superbly against WI pace quartet in 1984 series. He was easily the best Indian batsman on that tour. 

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14 minutes ago, GolGappe said:

2006 - Captain Dravid

 

2011 - Captain Dhoni

 

2016 - Captain Kohli

Doing it in 71 for the first time with average batsmen (passengers?) was amazing .... We will win in Aus too in future but doing it for the first time is special 

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

Doing it in 71 for the first time with average batsmen (passengers?) was amazing .... We will win in Aus too in future but doing it for the first time is special 

And we had to take 30 wickets considering home umpire bias, no DRS.

 

We carried a squad of 14 at most due to cost factor of tours. Now we carry 16 to 17 players overseas as budget isn't issue. So we are well equipped on resources front.

 

The only thing that was better than it is now is we played at least 5 practice matches on whole tour, some of them between tow test matches. 

 

Think we played 5 practice matches on that tour to WI.

 

In England we played 8 practice matches at least iirc .

 

Result was there to see. We won both those back to back test series.

 

Now management don't want warmup or reduces one day from warmup.

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1 minute ago, ExtremeBrainfade said:

This. SMG vs WI in 1971.  Nothing comes close.  

He was very keen to improve his technique.  Classic test match batsman. Loads of patience while batting.  Kamal Bhandarkar modified his bat grip, Worthington too helped him made technical changes which helped him play pacers much better.

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This is best batting Indian batsmen in series win. Quality wise, Mohinder Amarnath batting in 1983 against WI would be my best batting ever by an Indian batsman against the best bowling attack in history of the game.

His twin fifties in Barbados have to be rated the best against fearsome attack.Pujara 100 in first test was his best .

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Had all types of performances ranging from 1st gear to 4th gear. He did almost everything you could ask for.

 

1. Seeing off new ball in tough conditions - check

 2. Playing with tailenders and scoring quickly - check

3. Stonewalling - check

4. Big hundred - check

5. Dominating spinner - check

6. Not getting roughed up by pacers - check

 

7. Tiring the fast bowlers - check

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6 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Wait hold on WI had a pop gun attack whole series in 1971?

 

That was a transition period for WI as their bowling greats Charlie Griffith and Wes Hall had retired ...sobers was past his prime but Vanburn Holder was still decent. So if you want to compare with WI pace attack post 1975 to 1990 then it was probably Pop gun attack but by no means toothless.

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30 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Wait hold on WI had a pop gun attack whole series in 1971?

 

It was not the ATG attack but many of our batsmen were mediocre. It was Gavaskar, supported by Sardeshi, that made Ind competitive (much like how Pujara’s performances here). Without Gavaskar, we may not have won the series 

 

Gavaskar averaged 150+ (750+ runs in just 4 tests) 

Sardeshi was around 85 

Rest were below 40 (some may be in 20s) 

 

Gave something to our bowlers to defend 

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7 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Can someone here answer what changes did Pujara make in his batting technique? @Cricketics @Ankit_sharma03 @Trichromatic or anyone?

 

I did not watch any game this series, but as far as I remember watching him earlier he had pretty slow reflexes to play genuine fast bowling. Was there a change in mindset or technique?

Mentally he has been batting more straight bat and looking to attack spinners. When I say attack, he hasn’t been trying to be Sehwag but more coming down the track and trying to make sure Lyon doesn’t get the turn and bounce which he is expected to get. Whenever Lyon tried to bowl in the rough, Pujara would come down the track and flick and play him on around the mid wicket region this series. He looked at eas and annoyed the heck out of Lyon and force- changed his line.

 

Similarly to fast bowling, he has batted more straight bat, less cut shots. That shows he has been mentally batting better. He has done same things before but not consistently but here he ket reminding himself about straight bat. Sachin did similar in 2004 when he kept gettinf out to drives so Tendulkar negated that from his game for few tests and started batting straight bat untill he get 3 figures. He mentioned this in His autobiography too.

 

Pujara won the mental battle from himself which he was starting to concede early. 

 

Rahane can take a leaf out of this as he is going through same patch what Pujara went and he can be as quality as Pujara.

 

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Mentally he has been batting more straight bat and looking to attack spinners. When I say attack, he hasn’t been trying to be Sehwag but more coming down the track and trying to make sure Lyon doesn’t get the turn and bounce which he is expected to get. Whenever Lyon tried to bowl in the rough, Pujara would come down the track and flick and play him on around the mid wicket region this series. He looked at eas and annoyed the heck out of Lyon and force- changed his line.

 

Similarly to fast bowling, he has batted more straight bat, less cut shots. That shows he has been mentally batting better. He has done same things before but not consistently but here he ket reminding himself about straight bat. Sachin did similar in 2004 when he kept gettinf out to drives so Tendulkar negated that from his game for few tests and started batting straight bat untill he get 3 figures. He mentioned this in His autobiography too.

 

Pujara won the mental battle from himself which he was starting to concede early. 

 

Rahane can take a leaf out of this as he is going through same patch what Pujara went and he can be as quality as Pujara.

 

 

 

 

The interesting part about playing Lyon on front foot here is that Dravid mastered playing Swann in 2011 in the UK on the backfoot, a total opposite approach compared to Pujara. Maybe Dravid is a more comfortable backfoot player or he is god level against off spin bowling.

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8 hours ago, G_B_ said:

I would have said yes  

 

But looking at gavaskar in 1972 against that all time great bowling attack I think he should take that mantle

All time great bowling attack. :giggle:

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5 hours ago, singhprakash72 said:

That was a transition period for WI as their bowling greats Charlie Griffith and Wes Hall had retired ...sobers was past his prime but Vanburn Holder was still decent. So if you want to compare with WI pace attack post 1975 to 1990 then it was probably Pop gun attack but by no means toothless.

It was as toothless as they come. Vanburn holder averaged 33 with an SR of 83 in those days. Bernard Julien had an SR of 90, averaging 37.  

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5 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Dravid in 2011 when everyone failed deserves a special mention. We did not win but he was class in that series. Bowling attack was pretty good too. Might not go down as the best effort but there was surely some "WALL" like batting on display. 

 

Dravid should also get a special mention for that 2002 series in Eng where we drew 1-1 under Ganguly ...Both Bangar & Dravid blunted the English bowling and that was our first notable overseas result for a long time

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no 

 

Indian captain in 2015 tour to australia scored 4 test century with 692 runs 

 

pujara scored only 521 with 3 century in 2017/18

 

1977 series Gavaskar was among runs here {oz}with 3 century

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5 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Mentally he has been batting more straight bat and looking to attack spinners. When I say attack, he hasn’t been trying to be Sehwag but more coming down the track and trying to make sure Lyon doesn’t get the turn and bounce which he is expected to get. Whenever Lyon tried to bowl in the rough, Pujara would come down the track and flick and play him on around the mid wicket region this series. He looked at eas and annoyed the heck out of Lyon and force- changed his line.

 

On the same note, when they plugged that mid-wicket gap, he got frustrated and got out. Of course, by then, he was on 193, and probably tired (if that applies to him). Something he can look to improve upon, to milk the spinners. Add to his repertoire.

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Indian batsman piles up runs in India easily virat vs SL in 3 test 602 or others scored heavy score.SMG 732 vs WI at home  (774 in wi) but what pujara did 

Was away from India which I think more important 

 

Sanjay manjrelar 569 in 7 innings in Pakistan with 2 century and 3 -50 I think best among Indian player.sanjays father scored 586 in India 

 

Mohinder did it 3 times  away from India 

So I think he is best Indian player besides 

Gavaskar and Tendulkar

 

Mohinder did it in Australia (448) vs WI (598) and 584 in Pakistan 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, diga said:

Dravid should also get a special mention for that 2002 series in Eng where we drew 1-1 under Ganguly ...Both Bangar & Dravid blunted the English bowling and that was our first notable overseas result for a long time

Yes I would say Pujara is up against the Dravid for this crown. Dravid I remember, multiple efforts 2002, 2011, 2003 (Aus). I would add Pak as well because it was a series winning effort in the decider.

However, I think Pujara has edged out Dravid with this one, because its in Aus and its a series win.

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18 hours ago, ExtremeBrainfade said:

This. SMG vs WI in 1971.  Nothing comes close.  

Just checked if anyone else has done better than Sunny in debut test series.  More than 100 years this game is played and an Indian holds the record :bow:

 

Gavaskar - 4 tests- 8 innings -  774 runs

 

Next best

G Headley - 4 tests - 8 innings - 703 runs

 

Hunte - 5 tests - 9 innings- 622 runs

 

Link:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/367323.html

 

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