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Can someone explain the difference between f3r variant of rafale which bjp negotiated vs f3 variant for which upa signed a deal? What additional weopanry is there?

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On 1/8/2019 at 4:59 AM, diga said:

Can someone explain the difference between f3r variant of rafale which bjp negotiated vs f3 variant for which upa signed a deal? What additional weopanry is there?

the biggest difference is only 18 Rafale were supposed to come off the shelf during UPA and rest were to be manufactured in India but Dassault refused to take any guarantee about those made in India by HAL but the kind of record HAL has, do not think many companies would. 

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First Ambani angle

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1. Congress alleged that Ambani is nearly 50% benefeciary of deal price and its 1.2 lakh crore worth is Rahul baba not understanding it at all.

2. 50% of offset goes to Indian manufacturers. Off that, only 3% has gone to Reliance which is probably worth jmway too little ( i think Nirmla said 8000 crore or something)

 

So, in crux.

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1. Post Kargill Indian army needed LCA government accepted the need and Atalji era and  started looking into it.

2. Rafale was finalised in MMS era however during the 10 year period despite everything on paper was cleared with all formalities, MMS government stopped the order pending a review of process. ( This DM Nirmala called as congress wanted kickback on floor of parliament)

3. BJP government ran through the process again and ordered 36 intead of 18.

 

4.BJP government acquired 9% cheaper on aircraft price and 20% cheaper on armed aircraft price.

 

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HAL

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1. HAL has recieved 1.2 lakh crore worth  order under NDA which includes Tejas and various other stuff. Nirmala asked why not give orders for choppers to Tejas instead of giving it to Augusta. Because no kickbacks will be available from HAL.

2.  When NDA came to power, HA could only potentially produce at max 8 Tejas per year. Even that wasn’t met. In fact HAL had only produced only 8 Tejas till date.

Under NDA productivity has doubled and it is producing 16 Tejas aircraft a year.

3. Rafale produced by HAL will not have manufacturers warranty.

 

My take:

1. HAL failed to deliver just 41  orders of Tejas throughout UPA regime, assuming that they would produce 100+ Rafale is pipe dream.

 

 2. Rafale itself seems reluctant to do business with HAL. Sarakari baboos. Infact if India bought aircraft on emergency basis, it would have to pay more price.

3. Congress would have never ordered anything unless Rafale paid the percentage 

 

 

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On 1/7/2019 at 4:29 PM, diga said:

Can someone explain the difference between f3r variant of rafale which bjp negotiated vs f3 variant for which upa signed a deal? What additional weopanry is there?

The new Indian Air Force Rafale DH/EH ( Single Seater Version is EH while Dual Seater Version is DH ) features a lot of Indian-specific customizations catering to Indian Air Force needs and demands which it will be inducting freshly. I have tried to detail some of those customizations to highlight how the new Indian Air Force Rafale has been improvised :

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A. LITENING G4 Target Acquisition Pod from Rafael.

B. Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS) from THALES.

C. TARGO-II Helmet Mounted Display Systems from Elbit.

D. Upgraded SPECTRA Electronic Warfare System featuring capabilities in low-, medium- and high- band apertures along with highly optimized threat llibraries depending upon mission requirements.

E. X-Guard Towed Decoy Systems from Rafael.

F. Quad-Pack Ejectors for DEW EMP being developed by India-Israel as a Stand Off Weapon.

G. Standby Radar Altimeter from RAFAEL .

H. Onboard Oxygen Generating System ( OBOGS ) capacity has been beefed up for increased endurance for pilots who might pass out due to hypoxia due to loss of oxygen.

I. Sigma 95N INS has been coupled by a GPS transreceiver to receive accurate coordinates from India’s own NAVIC IRNSS Positioning Satellites.

J. Weather Mapping Mode added in RBE-2 AESA Radar of Rafale.

K. New Weapons : Rafale DH/EH features many Indian Air Force specific weapons. These include the new BrahMos-NG Supersonic Cruise Missile , ALARM Anti-Radiation Missile , Kh-31P “Krypton” Anti-Radiation Missile and SPICE-1000 Guided Precision Munition.

L. M88 Fuel Jet-Starter has been optimized to take off smoothly and work from high altitude sub-minus temperature regions so that IAF’s operation in Himalayas from high altitude bases is ensured.

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Indian Rafales will also be a part of IAF’s AFNET & Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) which is a military grid to allow command and control operations which will allow Rafale to inter-connect to other Indian assets through a secure data link like Airborne Early Warning & Control , Communication Satellites , other Fighter Aircrafts and also ground assets like Air Defense Batteries and C4I Command Centres.

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6 hours ago, Clarke said:

Is there another angle to the Rafale deal left to pursue after the SC didn't find any corruption ? If no, are there no other matters to discuss ? 

 

Looks like such a waste of time & resources.

Yes, If Modi come back, There should be a investigation. And investigation should be on why previous Defence Minister wasnt allowed to buy Rafale. Who was stopping him. Why did he asked to redo whole procurement assesment process despite Rafale passing all requirement and Standards of assessment process.

 

What exactly he meant by "Where is the money?"

 

"Money" stood for what? "Money to buy Rafale" or "Kickback Money"?

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17 hours ago, mishra said:

Yes, If Modi come back, There should be a investigation. And investigation should be on why previous Defence Minister wasnt allowed to buy Rafale. Who was stopping him. Why did he asked to redo whole procurement assesment process despite Rafale passing all requirement and Standards of assessment process.

 

What exactly he meant by "Where is the money?"

 

"Money" stood for what? "Money to buy Rafale" or "Kickback Money"?

yes, this is the biggest question if Congress were getting 126 Rafale for cheap when why didn't they buy them?

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

yes, this is the biggest question if Congress were getting 126 Rafale for cheap when why didn't they buy them?

Policy Paralysis, especially after 2G & Coal. 

 

Higher ups ki fati padi rehti thi, kahin is cheez mein scam to nahi. 

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6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

yes, this is the biggest question if Congress were getting 126 Rafale for cheap when why didn't they buy them?

No, they werent. Thats biggest lie. They were getting 18 Rafale only, the orice was 6% higher on basic aircraft. And 20% higher on armed one. The price was supposed to increase further YoY.

Supreme Court justice himself verified that Rafale under congress was pricier. But as expected, those stooges refused to comment on it in judgement 

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