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3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

These two are lucky. If this was some western country then some females would have turned up in media and said they had relation with her and would have demanded huge amount to withdraw a case or shut up. Tiger Woods? 

 

If few women now turn up against these two boys then their careers will be screwed totally.  

I would not be surprised if they did. After all women here copy the west.

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9 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

These two are lucky. If this was some western country then some females would have turned up in media and said they had relation with her and would have demanded huge amount to withdraw a case or shut up. Tiger Woods? 

 

If few women now turn up against these two boys then their careers will be screwed totally.  

That is b/w these two and the girls .... and did they take any names? Or forced themselves on girls? do you know if they did not pay the girls in someway (gifts for e.g.) for their services (assuming none of them were in a serious relationship)? Is one night stand considered as a relationship? 

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1 minute ago, slogger said:

imagine if a bollywood so called actress would have boasted about such things. Everyone would have supported her in the name of modernity and equality and called her "liberated women". There would have been no outrage and bollywood women and so called modern women also say such things many times and even worse. They also objectify men. So many insulting words are said against men in tv serials and movies.

Why are you speculating , I don't think other than few NBA and NFL players anyone has given statements like these .They were roasted for it even in country like America.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Why are you speculating , I don't think other than few NBA and NFL players anyone has given statements like these .They were roasted for it even in country like America.

you need to read some of the interviews of bollywood women. There is also a indian women running a youtube channel in which she made a video "picking up men in the gym"

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17 minutes ago, zen said:

No one supports indecent behavior but it is a show where even Saif, a royal, said that "give me money and I will give you my daughter (something to that order)" so it is NOT to be taken at face value (as common sense dictates that he is not going to do that) .... i would not throw stones at a porn star for acting in a porn movie, where presumably everyone is consenting, while praising a known pedophile for example because he happens to be someone useful

 

Note that I am one of the biggest supporter for women (also animal, children, old ppl, environment, etc) rights and fight for their cause. I donate money for various causes. You can even see multiple threads started by me even on this forum on such subjects

 

One should be shameful for using terms such as rape, gangbanged, BC, MC, etc. (you will never find me using such words), esp. if they care about being indecent and in a country where women are at peril .... I do not think Pandya used such words. He only did satire on him and his family on a shady platform 

 

 

 And I admire you for that. where as in this case we make opinion abt people that they are hypocrite but they are not that foolish while they judge people. Kohli do lot of mc bc during match but that is in a high intensity situation you hardly see anyone criticizing it but if he does same thing on a tv show or on a public forum he ll be criticize for it as well. I don't think pandya and kl did some  crime and I am not at all supporting their ban for such bakchodi. But all I am saying is he looked  moron (and a dehati chicoda who suddenly become rich and doesn't know how to handle things) during the show while he said such stuff involving his parentts.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why are you speculating , I don't think other than few NBA and NFL players anyone has given statements like these .They were roasted for it even in country like America.

Did you watch the talk shows which promoted a movie called Veere Di Wedding? Actresses openly talking about masturbation, self pleasure (absolutely nothing wrong in that) were hailed as feminist icons. Irony is those same people who called that movie path breaking have led the online outrage against Pandya and Rahul which started as Sachin fans targeting them before the feminist gang took over for objectifying women.

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4 minutes ago, raki05 said:

 And I admire you for that. where as in this case we make opinion abt people that they are hypocrite but they are not that foolish while they judge people. Kohli do lot of mc bc during match but that is in a high intensity situation you hardly see anyone criticize ing it but if he does same thing on a tv show or on a public forum he ll be criticize for it. I don't th8nk he did some big crime and I not at all support their ban for such bakchodi. But all I am saying is he looked  moron (and a dehati chicoda who suddenly become rich and doesn't know how to handle things) during the show while he said such stuff involving his parentts.

Note that for cricketers, a cricket field is a public platform where Kohli is the Ind captain .... on the other hand, a TV show or an ad could be done in a personal capacity ..... probably Kohli is not being called up so far is because it does not appear to be targeted at anyone (not everyone understands it. And Indians like to cover for their fav players). But ideally, he should be reprimanded 

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For e.g. below is a masterbation scene is discussed on a talk show .... people don't mind it because it is done on a platform that is known to discuss such topics and has its target audience (others like feminazis don't barge in) 

 

 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

Note that for cricketers, a cricket field is a public platform where Kohli is the Ind captain .... on the other hand, a TV show or an ad could be done in a personal capacity ..... probably Kohli is not being called up so far is because it does not appear to be targeted at anyone (not everyone understands it. And Indians like to cover for their fav players). But ideally, he should be reprimanded 

It is coming. The online mob has tasted blood. They know BCCI now is being run by jokers who are incompetent. Expect targeted attacks on Kohli for his minor misdemeanours. 

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

That is b/w these two and the girls .... and did they take any names? Or forced themselves on girls? 

Did Tiger Woods really enjoy with everyone who started coming up in media. I don't remember the exact count but think there were more than 5 who came up against him. 

 

Didn't watch the show so not aware whether he took names.  But even if names have not been taken, if the real ones whom they enjoyed with or even fake opportunist turn up in media to make millions using this opportunity,  then it's going to be a huge blow for them. Opportunist will try to convert a consensual sex into something dramatic or even if they have not had sex some one may just use the opportunity.  The problem is that if the ones who they were hitting on have no respectable background or family to worry about then they might as well turn consensual fun into something else.

 

 

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Just now, zen said:

Note that for cricketers, a cricket field is a public platform where Kohli is the Ind captain .... on the other hand, a TV show or an ad could be done in a personal capacity ..... probably Kohli is not being called up so far is because it does not appear to be targeted to anyone. But ideally, he should be reprimanded 

But people expect that when you are drunk , or in a fight or in intense situation u abuse sometime but not intended or directed towards someone. It's just the heat of the moment .....morethan where he said what he said is moronic do u think anyone brag abt banging a chick on a tv espexially when you are a known national cricketer. 

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2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Did Tiger Woods really enjoy with everyone who started coming up in media. I don't remember the exact count but think there were more than 5 who came up against him. 

 

Didn't watch the show so not aware whether he took names.  But even if names have not been taken, if the real ones whom they enjoyed with or even fake opportunist turn up in media to make millions using this opportunity,  then it's going to be a huge blow for them. Opportunist will try to convert a consensual sex into something dramatic or even if they have not had sex some one may just use the opportunity.  The problem is that if the ones who they were hitting on have no respectable background or family to worry about then they might as well turn consensual fun into something else.

 

 

sounds like different issues 

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9 minutes ago, raki05 said:

But people expect that when you are drunk , or in a fight or in intense situation u abuse sometime but not intended or directed towards someone. It's just the heat of the moment .....morethan where he said what he said is moronic do u think anyone brag abt banging a chick on a tv espexially when you are a known national cricketer. 

I do not use bad language .... in companies where i have worked people stopped / limited using such words casually too after watching how I go around .... But I am an outlier as people, who come in contact with me, are impacted by me for e.g. people also start dressing like I do. Brands that I wear should hire me as their model as what I wear (if in the regular price range) becomes popular in the environment I am in .... I do not like these copycats. It is not even funny anymore :lol:

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16 minutes ago, slogger said:

you need to read some of the interviews of bollywood women. There is also a indian women running a youtube channel in which she made a video "picking up men in the gym"

Do you think some random women on some youtube channel saying something is same as these two national cricketers saying these crude and disgusting remarks on national TV.

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35 minutes ago, slogger said:

BTW who is this edulji? from which hole did this creature came out? never heard about this name before. Is she parsi or bengali or someone else?

a product of shameless  incompetency ,  nepotism  and nothing else.

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17 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Did you watch the talk shows which promoted a movie called Veere Di Wedding? Actresses openly talking about masturbation, self pleasure (absolutely nothing wrong in that) were hailed as feminist icons. Irony is those same people who called that movie path breaking have led the online outrage against Pandya and Rahul which started as Sachin fans targeting them before the feminist gang took over for objectifying women.

Don't you think there is difference between talking about self pleasure and being horn dogs on prowl. This is about common human decency.

 

It is not about being fans of any particular player/players.Why are draging Sachin into it.He was a model citizen.

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25 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Did you watch the talk shows which promoted a movie called Veere Di Wedding? Actresses openly talking about masturbation, self pleasure (absolutely nothing wrong in that) were hailed as feminist icons. Irony is those same people who called that movie path breaking have led the online outrage against Pandya and Rahul which started as Sachin fans targeting them before the feminist gang took over for objectifying women.

this is  yet another  double standard oppertunism of these feminist bastards and nothing else. For them it  is not a matter of  'concern for  women ' but just 'men can't utter any thing regard to  women'.

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Since women have been oppressed for so long, I do not mind if men get the wrong end of the stick occasionally 

 

But this is not such a case. We have seen comments on KL and Pandya on everything by a select group (some agenda driven) from their instagram pictures, the clothes that they wear, etc., and what happened here is only an extension of this .... People even supported Shami. If someone else had said this, it would probably have been laughed off 

 

Which is why the mob backlash on these two is shameful

 

 

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22 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do you think some random women on some youtube channel saying something is same as these two national cricketers saying these crude and disgusting remarks on national TV.

those bollywood bitches also come on national tvs constantly and them making those disgusting remarks about masturbation and other things is OK? so many small girls also watch their movies unfortunately and can easily get influenced by them.

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2 hours ago, slogger said:

all the rules and laws apply to the men from majority in this country and TBH men from the majority are also foolish that they don't stand for themselves nor show any unity.

plain simple truth....

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3 minutes ago, zen said:

Since women have been oppressed for so long, I do not mind if men get the wrong end of the stick occasionally 

 

But this is not such a case. We have seen comments on KL and Pandya on everything by a select group (some agenda driven) from their instagram pictures, the clothes that they wear, etc., and what happened here is only an extension of this .... People even supported Shami. If someone else had said this, it would probably have been laughed off 

 

Which is why the mob backlash on these two is shameful

 

 

Women oppressed for so long is not that relevant in india because india had centuries of invasions and both men and women suffered in that.

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3 minutes ago, slogger said:

those bollywood bitches also come on national tvs constantly and them making those disgusting remarks about masturbation and other things is OK? so many small girls also watch their movies unfortunately and can easily get influenced by them.

shhhhhhhhh.....we must not utter a word against that ....that is their freedom of speech....

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Just now, slogger said:

those bollywood bitches also come on national tvs constantly and them making those disgusting remarks about masturbation and other things is OK? so many small girls also watch their movies unfortunately and can easily get influenced by them.

One wrong does not make other thing right.Yes they are wrong if they use such remarks but that cannot give these two free pass.

I  would refrain using such word to describe them.

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Just now, slogger said:

Women oppressed for so long is not that relevant in india because india had centuries of invasions and both men and women suffered in that.

:lol: .... However, I do not agree. Look at  female foeticide for e.g.  

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

One wrong does not make other thing right.Yes they are wrong if they use such remarks but that cannot give these two free pass.

I  would refrain using such word to describe them.

then why not the outrage against them? why this double standards? actually sorry for insulting the animals.

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Where is "feminism" coming here?  Stick to cricket. Who cares what bollywood actresses talk. BCCI has no control over them lol otherwise they will also face suspension. When Smriti Mandana says the same thing she will face the same scrutiny. So don't dilute what these insta boys said by turning this into a social issue or men vs women issue. They can talk whatever they want. Let them not screw the chances for other  promising youngsters while they are using their celebrity status to score chicks. 

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12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don't you think there is difference between talking about self pleasure and being horn dogs on prowl. This is about common human decency.

 

It is not about being fans of any particular player/players.Why are draging Sachin into it.He was a model citizen.

Yes those were creepy misogynistic comments. But the BCCI reaction has been extreme. Deserved a fine and a suspension for a match or two.

 

On Sachin, the entire online outrage started with Sachin fans targeting both of them, then later someone saw those misogynistic remarks, feminist twitter handles took over and bingo, you had op-Ed’s written about it very next day in papers by the forever outraged feminists always looking for such issues to drive their agenda. Then the debate gradually got expanded to how this will damage our cricket. To me everything looked coordinated to further amplify the outrage.

 

A bumbling BCCI, with two CoA jokers fighting publicly about how they should deal with this issue only made this into a much larger issue which will now affect the whole team. Also, do not be surprised to see Kohli Shastri getting dragged into this for promoting such culture in the team. That to me seems to be the end objective.

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5 minutes ago, slogger said:

then why not the outrage against them? why this double standards? actually sorry for insulting the animals.

This is sports forums so you see comments about sports related issues, I have no idea about others.Nobody should be using such crude language.

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6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Where is "feminism" coming here?  Stick to cricket. Who cares what bollywood actresses talk. BCCI has no control over them lol otherwise they will also face suspension. When Smriti Mandana says the same thing she will face the same scrutiny. So don't dilute what these insta boys said by turning this into a social issue or men vs women issue. They can talk whatever they want. Let them not screw the chances for other  promising youngsters while they are using their celebrity status to score chicks. 

Feminism is moot here as the outrage is being led by feminists who have made this into a case of misogyny and objectifying of women.

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1 hour ago, slogger said:

porn women acting in bollywood ( though these actresses are also glorified sophisticated porn stars), homosexuality decriminalized, rising feminazism, rising communists etc.

this country is going down fast since last 10 years. It's just no longer fun to live in this country.

either be fully westernized and leave all your values or have pride in your culture and practice it.

men  uniting for their cause is the only solution for this situation.As I earlier pointed out in one of my posts, a  lot of men are suffering directly or indirectly at the hands of this feminist frauds.

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Just now, ShoonyaSifar said:

Feminism is moot here as the outrage is being led by feminists who have made this into a case of misogyny and objectifying of women.

Given the prevalent rape culture that we have in our country it is hard to feel outrage about these statements. 23 people raped a 11 year old for 6 months using a video. These snowflakes won't die because of these outrages.

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3 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Yes those were creepy misogynistic comments. But the BCCI reaction has been extreme. Deserved a fine and a suspension for a match or two.

 

On Sachin, the entire online outrage started with Sachin fans targeting both of them, then later someone saw those misogynistic remarks, feminist twitter handles took over and bingo, you had op-Ed’s written about it very next day in papers by the forever outraged feminists always looking for such issues to drive their agenda. Then the debate gradually got expanded to how this will damage our cricket. To me everything looked coordinated to further amplify the outrage.

 

A bumbling BCCI, with two CoA jokers fighting publicly about how they should deal with this issue only made this into a much larger issue which will now affect the whole team. Also, do not be surprised to see Kohli Shastri getting dragged into this for promoting such culture in the team. That to me seems to be the end objective.

Why would Sachin fans target them. Oh for saying Kohli was better. You know these things take life of their own , these two might not have speculated this when they gave those remarks on the show.

 

Thats where they need to grow up and understand what they can or cannot say in public. Steve Smith also thought by saying sorry to ball tampering issue just like brainfade issue everything would be forgiven and forgotten.But that controversy took life of its own and you know what happened in the end.

 

I don't know if BCCI educates these players about honey traps, people like these two need to get a crash course in it.

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Given the prevalent rape culture that we have in our country it is hard to feel outrage about these statements. 23 people raped a 11 year old for 6 months using a video. These snowflakes won't die because of these outrages.

They have not said anything about forcing themselves on women but answered questions on how they deal with women, who are interested in them too .... Porn is an issue that encourages our rape culture .... this incidence is using "the prevalence of rape culture" to castigate these two noobs 

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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Given the prevalent rape culture that we have in our country it is hard to feel outrage about these statements. 23 people raped a 11 year old for 6 months using a video. These snowflakes won't die because of these outrages.

oh god those animals ,they need to be hanged.

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

They have not said anything about forcing themselves on women but answered questions on how they deal with women, who are interested in them too .... Porn is an issue that encourages our rape culture .... this incidence is using "the prevalence of rape culture" to castigate these two noobs 

We don't see women go around raping random men. Yes we have to suck it up. There are plenty of good , decent women in real life. Why do we always use some "celebrities" as examples of women.  By now we should be used to social media outrage. Especially about issues like this. 

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3 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

I think even an Indian Match thread doesnt get so many replies in such a short time on ICF. Has to been one of the most popular threads ever in history of ICF outside WC Matches. 

Agree. Move this thread to chichat so that i don't see it anymore.

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

When your dumbass selectors (prasad) say things like  "There is nobody like Pandya" this is what happens. He always sounded like he is indispensable and godsend angel. Even if that is true as a selector you don't talk like this. It gets to their head. 

You might be right, but these guys should have a social life what they do in their free time should be totally upto them.But these two have made mistake and they are paying for it.

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