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I will begin.

After seeing the substantial decline in the quality of the show over the last couple of years , I don't get the Game of thrones final season hype at all. 

I see people getting excited , eagerly awaiting April 14th with some even going as far as to calling it the greatest show of all time (lol) while for me the show lost its charm when D&D decided to take matters into their hands after the material from the novels reached it's completion.

From season 5 onwards the show has been on a continuous decline trajectory and after watching the colossal mess that the last season was , I don't even know if I would be able to bring myself to watch the final season or maybe I would to get some closure (since it's likely that the last two books would never be released) but it won't feel the same as it used to be earlier that's for sure.

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5 hours ago, Stradlater said:

I will begin.

After seeing the substantial decline in the quality of the show over the last couple of years , I don't get the Game of thrones final season hype at all. 

I see people getting excited , eagerly awaiting April 14th with some even going as far as to calling it the greatest show of all time (lol) while for me the show lost its charm when D&D decided to take matters into their hands after the material from the novels reached it's completion.

From season 5 onwards the show has been on a continuous decline trajectory and after watching the colossal mess that the last season was , I don't even know if I would be able to bring myself to watch the final season or maybe I would to get some closure (since it's likely that the last two books would never be released) but it won't feel the same as it used to be earlier that's for sure.

I don't know if your opinion is that "unpopular". most of the people who review TV shows for newspapers, magazines, etc. were speaking about how last season (and even the one before that) were going off the rails. ditto for more nuanced viewers as well. As a fan of the books, I never liked GoT as much as the books even at its peak (seasons 1-4).

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14 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I don't know if your opinion is that "unpopular". most of the people who review TV shows for newspapers, magazines, etc. were speaking about how last season (and even the one before that) were going off the rails. ditto for more nuanced viewers as well. As a fan of the books, I never liked GoT as much as the books even at its peak (seasons 1-4).

I understand where you are coming from but criticism notwithstanding , the excitement for the finale is unreal.

I guess people are willing to set aside some obvious loopholes and poor acting as long as the fighting scenes are nice and of course the dragons.

Also I feel the one major reason why the show sucks now is because they killed off some really good characters (through no fault of their own of course) who were played by even better actors , Charles Dance for instance. Personally I have never been a fan of acting of Kit Harrington and Sophie Turner. Even the likes of Peter Dinklage and Nikolaj Coster Waldau  have lost their sheen too.

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1 hour ago, Stradlater said:

I understand where you are coming from but criticism notwithstanding , the excitement for the finale is unreal.

I guess people are willing to set aside some obvious loopholes and poor acting as long as the fighting scenes are nice and of course the dragons. 

Also I feel the one major reason why the show sucks now is because they killed off some really good characters (through no fault of their own of course) who were played by even better actors , Charles Dance for instance. Personally I have never been a fan of acting of Kit Harrington and Sophie Turner. Even the likes of Peter Dinklage and Nikolaj Coster Waldau  have lost their sheen too.

wait.. kit harrington acts? I thought all he does is: puts on a morose face and stands dumbly at all times. emilia clarke is also a rather ordinary actress, although she's gotten better to some extent. as you said, most of the remaining good actors are sidelined - dinklage, waldau, headey, etc. charles dance was amazing while he was around - he's a fine actor. last few seasons have too many special effects and too little plot/character development.

 

I agree with you that in some quarters, the hype is certainly very high.

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5 hours ago, Vijy said:

wait.. kit harrington acts? I thought all he does is: puts on a morose face and stands dumbly at all times. emilia clarke is also a rather ordinary actress, although she's gotten better to some extent. as you said, most of the remaining good actors are sidelined - dinklage, waldau, headey, etc. charles dance was amazing while he was around - he's a fine actor. last few seasons have too many special effects and too little plot/character development.

 

I agree with you that in some quarters, the hype is certainly very high.

Desi wannabes like to be fanbois of people like Salman, Shahrukh, some rando cricketer etc.  Their Amreeki counterparts need silly **** to go gaga over too, why should they be left behind?  Mainstream Pop culture in the west doesn't really allow for overt worshipping of movie or sports stars anymore, hence the need to find zara hatke things to obsess over.  In other words, lemmings are going do what they do, no matter what country or ethnicity.

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21 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Desi wannabes like to be fanbois of people like Salman, Shahrukh, some rando cricketer etc.  Their Amreeki counterparts need silly **** to go gaga over too, why should they be left behind?  Mainstream Pop culture in the west doesn't really allow for overt worshipping of movie or sports stars anymore, hence the need to find zara hatke things to obsess over.  In other words, lemmings are going do what they do, no matter what country or ethnicity.

for sure, GoT has too many fanbois for what has been just an above-average series over the past few years. I see at least 5 series per yr that are better than the GoT of past several yrs.

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1 hour ago, BlueBee said:

For me GOT reached it's prime with the battle of the bastards and could never get closer to being that good again. It's still very good but it's definitely over hyped now. 

I disagree. The show has been consistently mediocre since season 5 with having it's moments every now and then. Battle of Bastards was one of them.

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8 hours ago, MechEng said:

I watched the first 2 episodes of season 1 of Game of Thrones and then I never watched it, too complicated for me.

I do get reminded of the show by the memes I receive like "You don't know John Snow" and etc.

The first 4 seasons are quality though bruh. I would urge you to reconsider your decision.

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1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Never bothered with GoT as it basically looks like LoTR with nudity.

it's ironic, since martin wrote the books as a response to LoTR, i.e. as an anti-LoTR in some (not all) respects. TV shows have been leaning more and more towards LoTR-izing the whole plot & characters, which is a real pity. LoTR is great, but trying to copycat something never works.

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18 minutes ago, Vijy said:

it's ironic, since martin wrote the books as a response to LoTR, i.e. as an anti-LoTR in some (not all) respects. TV shows have been leaning more and more towards LoTR-izing the whole plot & characters, which is a real pity. LoTR is great, but trying to copycat something never works.

Interesting. Somehow LoTR is very unappealing to me visually so I have stayed away from the trilogy as well as the series. 

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On 1/16/2019 at 12:56 PM, Vijy said:

I never liked GoT as much as the books even at its peak (seasons 1-4).

It's usual to find people claiming that they liked ' the books' more or complain something in 'the books' was overlooked in the screen version. Folks do this mostly even though they probably have not read the books much or only heard about the books after they chanced on the show.  People do this because they think it makes them look superior lol. It's funny everytime someone tries it.  

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5 hours ago, Vilander said:

It's usual to find people claiming that they liked ' the books' more or complain something in 'the books' was overlooked in the screen version. Folks do this mostly even though they probably have not read the books much or only heard about the books after they chanced on the show.  People do this because they think it makes them look superior lol. It's funny everytime someone tries it.  

Bhai we have had this talk before. You keep coming to this point lol. 

 

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10 hours ago, Vilander said:

It's usual to find people claiming that they liked ' the books' more or complain something in 'the books' was overlooked in the screen version. Folks do this mostly even though they probably have not read the books much or only heard about the books after they chanced on the show.  People do this because they think it makes them look superior lol. It's funny everytime someone tries it.  

I am not denying that many like to do this. I began reading the GoT books in 2006 - many years before the TV series, but also many yrs after the first book was released (in the mid 1990s).

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2 hours ago, Vijy said:

I am not denying that many like to do this. I began reading the GoT books in 2006 - many years before the TV series, but also many yrs after the first book was released (in the mid 1990s).

If you did can you tell me something that disappointed you in the screen adaptation. What is it ?

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8 hours ago, Stradlater said:

Bhai we have had this talk before. You keep coming to this point lol. 

 

A creative team is a bunch of professionals whose life depends on their work. Character development evolution its not a bunch of simpleton nerds in it for entertainment, they answer to folks who are putting money its a regualr demanding job, i get annoyed when people randomly say screen adaptation did this book did this so i dont like it. Need content to backup.

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29 minutes ago, maniac said:

Ishant Sharma has been an unsung hero in our rise to no.1 rankings

 

Rohit Sharma is hands down a greater LOI  player than AB devillers and in a pressure situation it is pretty much a no contest who is better

 

 

 

 

Thank You.

People kept on discussing GOT lol .

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40 minutes ago, maniac said:

Ishant Sharma has been an unsung hero in our rise to no.1 rankings

 

Rohit Sharma is hands down a greater LOI  player than AB devillers and in a pressure situation it is pretty much a no contest who is better

 

 

 

 

Baba, kindly redirect cricket related ones to this mega thread 

 

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Nehru was a decent PM, as was Indira Gandhi. Rot started with that Italian lady's entry into GOP. 

 

Bose is over rated. Not questioning his commitment to the cause but he isn't the mythical hero many make him out to be. Nor was he the promised messiah that was snatched too soon from us, also the conspiracy about his unfortunate demise is BS. 

 

Indians lack spine, look at our dynasty politics (till 2 generations is fine, beyond that is overkill IMO) and this mahagathbandhan, look at our feudal mindset....maybe not so unpopular but had to say. Historically we have been a subservient lot and sadly nothing much has changed the last 70 years. 

 

Our caste system is the oldest running apartheid system outside the Muslim world. I would like to see a surge in non violent, democratic Dalit uprising, the other alternative is an all out civil war considering the pent up anger over their sufferings at the hands of other Hindus for centuries. The recent development in Dalit politics is a nice safety valve feature, allow it to play out. 

 

India is active in carrying out insurgency operations in its immediate neighborhood, but we don't want to accept. Think LTTE, Mukti Bahini. We aren't an innocent party no matter how much we pretend otherwise. 

 

Hindutva terror is real, I have suspicions that some (very few however) of the terror attacks of 2000s aren't being investigated properly by agencies. Of course it is localized and small in scale but ignoring it will only present us with greater troubles in the future. 

 

Again not sure if unpopular, but Islam is mental sickness. That 7th century barbaric cult has no place in 21st century. We are heading towards an all out global scale war between Muslims and rest of humanity, and blood spilt will be a historical record. 

 

Goa is over rated but their cashew/coconut feni is vastly under rated. 

 

Kolkata is India's greatest city, rumours of her death are vastly exaggerated. 

 

Cricket is a dying sport, in 20 years time it will be like kabaddi with predominant desi participation.

 

Nole>Federer, hope mulo doesn't see this :fear1:

 

Dilip Kumar is a poor actor as is Amitabh. The 3 Khans too are bang mediocre. Soumitra Chatterjee and Uttam Kumar are joint Indian GOAT. Among modern actors Kamal Haasan is actually a pretty good artiste, leave his political buffoonery aside. Hey Ram is the greatest cinematic masterpiece from Indian shores since 2000. 

 

Robert De Niro, DiCaprio and Streep are mediocre actors. Scorsese is a mediocre director, least talented of the movie brats yet most celebrated. 

 

That Barbie Girl song by Aqua is strangely addictive and groovy...can't believe I typed that but I always feigned disgust in my childhood when it was played at parties. Also Vengaboys was a great band...there I said it. 

 

Desi music>>>>>>>English music and yeah I don't rate Queen, Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc.

 

Sachin getting Bharat Ratna was one of the biggest screw ups as far as big awards go. Leaving aside his cricket achievements, one of the most underwhelming public persons and an opportunist  fence sitter with no concern about morality and ethics.

 

Pakistani girls are over rated in looks department, dunno why many of us go gaga over them. 

 

Forget Mughal architecture or South Indian temples, the Jain temple complexes in Rajasthan are our greatest architectural feats. 

 

Aaj ke liye itna hi, time to hit the bed. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Nehru was a good PM, as was Indira Gandhi. Rot started with that Italian lady's entry into GOP. 

 

Bose is over rated. Not questioning his commitment to the cause but he isn't the mythical hero many make him out to be. Nor was he the promised messiah that was snatched too soon from us, also the conspiracy about his unfortunate demise is BS. 

 

Indians lack spine, look at our dynasty politics (till 2 generations is fine, beyond that is overkill IMO) and this mahagathbandhan, look at our feudal mindset....maybe not so unpopular but had to say. Historically we have been a subservient lot and sadly nothing much has changed the last 70 years. 

 

Our caste system is the oldest running apartheid system outside the Muslim world. I am glad to see a surge in non violent, democratic Dalit uprising, the other alternative is an all out civil war considering the pent up anger over their sufferings at the hands of other Hindus for centuries. The recent development in Dalit politics is a nice safety valve feature, allow it to play out. 

 

India is active in carrying out insurgency operations in its immediate neighborhood, but we don't want to accept. Think LTTE, Mukti Bahini. We aren't an innocent party no matter how much we pretend otherwise. 

 

Hindutva terror is real, I have suspicions that some of the terror attacks of 2000s aren't being investigated properly by agencies. Of course it is localized and small in scale but ignoring it will only present us with greater troubles in the future. 

 

Again not sure if unpopular, but Islam is mental sickness. That 7th century barbaric cult has no place in 21st century. We are heading towards an all out global scale war between Muslims and rest of humanity, and blood spilt will be a historical record. 

 

Goa is over rated but their cashew/coconut feni is vastly under rated. 

 

Kolkata is India's greatest city, rumours of her death are vastly exaggerated. 

 

Cricket is a dying sport, in 20 years time it will be like kabaddi with predominant desi participation.

 

Nole>Federer, hope mulo doesn't see this :fear1:

 

Dilip Kumar is a poor actor as is Amitabh. The 3 Khans too are bang mediocre. Soumitra Chatterjee and Uttam Kumar are joint Indian GOAT. Among modern actors Kamal Haasan is actually a pretty good artiste, leave his political buffoonery aside. Hey Ram is the greatest cinematic masterpiece from Indian shores since 2000. 

 

Robert De Niro, DiCaprio and Streep are mediocre actors. Scorsese is a mediocre director, least talented of the movie brats yet most celebrated. 

 

That Barbie Girl song by Aqua is strangely addictive and groovy...can't believe I typed that but I always feigned disgust in my childhood when it was played at parties. Also Vengaboys was a great band...there I said it. 

 

Desi music>>>>>>>English music and yeah I don't rate Queen, Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc.

 

Sachin getting Bharat Ratna was one of the biggest screw ups as far as big awards go. Leaving aside his cricket achievements, one of the most underwhelming public persons and an opportunist  fence sitter with no concern about morality and ethics.

 

Pakistani girls are over rated in looks department, dunno why many of us go gaga over them. 

 

Forget Mughal architecture or South Indian temples, the Jain temple complexes in Rajasthan are our greatest architectural feats. 

 

Aaj ke liye itna hi, time to hit the bed. 

The hell man!!

I don't even know where to begin. Obviously I disagree with a lot of these but hey it's an unpopular opinion thread after all.

Even then the way you clubbed Desi music in one and rated it above certain famous international musical groups is as blasphemous as it gets. Didn't expect this from a refined poster like you :/

 

PS: And yes Muloghonto will eat you alive. Good luck lol.

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@Gollum That Barbie song is indeed quite addictive lol. Used to be my favorite in childhood. Par bade ho kar jab lyrics samajh aaye tab pata laga ki asal me mamla kuch aur hi tha :hysterical:

 

Speaking of cheesy songs. Dunno if you remember this classic from Las Ketchup.

MTV used to play it on a loop during early 2000s. Nice catchy tune.

 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Nehru was a good PM, as was Indira Gandhi. Rot started with that Italian lady's entry into GOP. 

 

Bose is over rated. Not questioning his commitment to the cause but he isn't the mythical hero many make him out to be. Nor was he the promised messiah that was snatched too soon from us, also the conspiracy about his unfortunate demise is BS. 

 

Indians lack spine, look at our dynasty politics (till 2 generations is fine, beyond that is overkill IMO) and this mahagathbandhan, look at our feudal mindset....maybe not so unpopular but had to say. Historically we have been a subservient lot and sadly nothing much has changed the last 70 years. 

 

Our caste system is the oldest running apartheid system outside the Muslim world. I am glad to see a surge in non violent, democratic Dalit uprising, the other alternative is an all out civil war considering the pent up anger over their sufferings at the hands of other Hindus for centuries. The recent development in Dalit politics is a nice safety valve feature, allow it to play out. 

 

India is active in carrying out insurgency operations in its immediate neighborhood, but we don't want to accept. Think LTTE, Mukti Bahini. We aren't an innocent party no matter how much we pretend otherwise. 

 

Hindutva terror is real, I have suspicions that some of the terror attacks of 2000s aren't being investigated properly by agencies. Of course it is localized and small in scale but ignoring it will only present us with greater troubles in the future. 

 

Again not sure if unpopular, but Islam is mental sickness. That 7th century barbaric cult has no place in 21st century. We are heading towards an all out global scale war between Muslims and rest of humanity, and blood spilt will be a historical record. 

 

Goa is over rated but their cashew/coconut feni is vastly under rated. 

 

Kolkata is India's greatest city, rumours of her death are vastly exaggerated. 

 

Cricket is a dying sport, in 20 years time it will be like kabaddi with predominant desi participation.

 

Nole>Federer, hope mulo doesn't see this :fear1:

 

Dilip Kumar is a poor actor as is Amitabh. The 3 Khans too are bang mediocre. Soumitra Chatterjee and Uttam Kumar are joint Indian GOAT. Among modern actors Kamal Haasan is actually a pretty good artiste, leave his political buffoonery aside. Hey Ram is the greatest cinematic masterpiece from Indian shores since 2000. 

 

Robert De Niro, DiCaprio and Streep are mediocre actors. Scorsese is a mediocre director, least talented of the movie brats yet most celebrated. 

 

That Barbie Girl song by Aqua is strangely addictive and groovy...can't believe I typed that but I always feigned disgust in my childhood when it was played at parties. Also Vengaboys was a great band...there I said it. 

 

Desi music>>>>>>>English music and yeah I don't rate Queen, Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc.

 

Sachin getting Bharat Ratna was one of the biggest screw ups as far as big awards go. Leaving aside his cricket achievements, one of the most underwhelming public persons and an opportunist  fence sitter with no concern about morality and ethics.

 

Pakistani girls are over rated in looks department, dunno why many of us go gaga over them. 

 

Forget Mughal architecture or South Indian temples, the Jain temple complexes in Rajasthan are our greatest architectural feats. 

 

Aaj ke liye itna hi, time to hit the bed. 

Just saw Vengaboys mentioned in your post. Legendary band indeed! 

Their song "Brazil" became so famous in my village that it used to be played in every wedding functions and us dehati children would dance like there was no tomorrow lmao.

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4 hours ago, Vilander said:

If you did can you tell me something that disappointed you in the screen adaptation. What is it ?

there are many in the latter seasons, but I won't focus on them since they overtook the books. among the things that I disliked from the early & mid seasons include: handling of dorne, overly prolonged depiction of theon's torture across a season (served no purpose IMO), jaime-cersei sex scene (written very differently in the book), etc. among the plotlines from the book that were discarded, I thought that dropping lady stoneheart was a bad move too.

 

Btw, there are books where I feel the movies did a better job. Godfather is one, IMO.

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Nehru was a good PM, as was Indira Gandhi. Rot started with that Italian lady's entry into GOP. 
 
Bose is over rated. Not questioning his commitment to the cause but he isn't the mythical hero many make him out to be. Nor was he the promised messiah that was snatched too soon from us, also the conspiracy about his unfortunate demise is BS. 
 
Indians lack spine, look at our dynasty politics (till 2 generations is fine, beyond that is overkill IMO) and this mahagathbandhan, look at our feudal mindset....maybe not so unpopular but had to say. Historically we have been a subservient lot and sadly nothing much has changed the last 70 years. 
 
Our caste system is the oldest running apartheid system outside the Muslim world. I am glad to see a surge in non violent, democratic Dalit uprising, the other alternative is an all out civil war considering the pent up anger over their sufferings at the hands of other Hindus for centuries. The recent development in Dalit politics is a nice safety valve feature, allow it to play out. 
 
India is active in carrying out insurgency operations in its immediate neighborhood, but we don't want to accept. Think LTTE, Mukti Bahini. We aren't an innocent party no matter how much we pretend otherwise. 
 
Hindutva terror is real, I have suspicions that some of the terror attacks of 2000s aren't being investigated properly by agencies. Of course it is localized and small in scale but ignoring it will only present us with greater troubles in the future. 
 
Again not sure if unpopular, but Islam is mental sickness. That 7th century barbaric cult has no place in 21st century. We are heading towards an all out global scale war between Muslims and rest of humanity, and blood spilt will be a historical record. 
 
Goa is over rated but their cashew/coconut feni is vastly under rated. 
 
Kolkata is India's greatest city, rumours of her death are vastly exaggerated. 
 
Cricket is a dying sport, in 20 years time it will be like kabaddi with predominant desi participation.
 
Nole>Federer, hope mulo doesn't see this :fear1:
 
Dilip Kumar is a poor actor as is Amitabh. The 3 Khans too are bang mediocre. Soumitra Chatterjee and Uttam Kumar are joint Indian GOAT. Among modern actors Kamal Haasan is actually a pretty good artiste, leave his political buffoonery aside. Hey Ram is the greatest cinematic masterpiece from Indian shores since 2000. 
 
Robert De Niro, DiCaprio and Streep are mediocre actors. Scorsese is a mediocre director, least talented of the movie brats yet most celebrated. 
 
That Barbie Girl song by Aqua is strangely addictive and groovy...can't believe I typed that but I always feigned disgust in my childhood when it was played at parties. Also Vengaboys was a great band...there I said it. 
 
Desi music>>>>>>>English music and yeah I don't rate Queen, Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin etc.
 
Sachin getting Bharat Ratna was one of the biggest screw ups as far as big awards go. Leaving aside his cricket achievements, one of the most underwhelming public persons and an opportunist  fence sitter with no concern about morality and ethics.
 
Pakistani girls are over rated in looks department, dunno why many of us go gaga over them. 
 
Forget Mughal architecture or South Indian temples, the Jain temple complexes in Rajasthan are our greatest architectural feats. 
 
Aaj ke liye itna hi, time to hit the bed. 


Add Balochistan too.
Heard the separatist stuff is funded by India in retaliation to Kashmir.
Nehru messed up a lot and so did Indira.

But yeah - Sonia is the real dangerous one.

Actually the problem is mainstream media actively supports and pushes the radical stream of Islam while running the War on terror.
Ironic indeed !
All this will lead to eventually right wing governments all around the world and Muslims will be put in concentration camps and gassed by Far right christians.
Already happening in China.

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13 minutes ago, Vijy said:

there are many in the latter seasons, but I won't focus on them since they overtook the books. among the things that I disliked from the early & mid seasons include: handling of dorne, overly prolonged depiction of theon's torture across a season (served no purpose IMO), jaime-cersei sex scene (written very differently in the book), etc. among the plotlines from the book that were discarded, I thought that dropping lady stoneheart was a bad move too.

 

Btw, there are books where I feel the movies did a better job. Godfather is one, IMO.

Add to that,

1) Speeding up things for plot conveniences. Remember Danny arriving beyond the wall in like couple of hours lol 

 

2) The whole oldtown plot of Sam and Gilly looked completely stupid and out of place.

 

3) Littlefinger selling Sansa to Ramsay. Yeah right.

 

These are all off the top of my head.

 

Speaking of movies doing justice to books , the Lord of the Rings movies IMHO were on par with the novels if not better.

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@Gollum let me quote your points one by one. 

41 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

Nehru was a good PM, as was Indira Gandhi. Rot started with that Italian lady's entry into GOP. 

Nehru wasn’t. His lack of spine created the whole Kashmir mess. We lost a war under him. Wining or Losing a war doesn’t always define a great leader, however this mofo didn’t want an army to begin with. If you read the horror stories of the brave soldiers during the Chinese war who fought without supplies or equipment, your blood will boil. This guy fked an up entire future generations with pseudo history. Do we even know Bose’s contribution in bleeding out the British? Do we learn Vallabhai Patel’s contribution or Ambedkar’s role in creating the constitution in school.

 

Bose still doesn’t have the bharat ratna. Ambedkar and Patel got it in the 90s under the Chandrasekhar regime.

 

I used to think Mughals ruled entire India when I read History in school where as the Vijaynagar empire was a footnote which had a lot more land mass of present day India than the Mughal empire.

 

We always learnt Indians were pacifist pussies who always took a beating and all the battles we won were not even  mentioned.

 

India had one of the worst famines after Nehru and we need to thank Lal Bahadur Shastri for the green revolution. Nehru was in a position to set things right as the first PM of India even though Patel was the unanimous choice and this guy politicked his way in.

 

Despite  all the progress we made in the last 25+ years we still have a **** loads of issues thanks to this “chacha”.

 

Don’t give me bs like he founded educational institutions, our elite educational institutions at best have produced bureaucrats or  students who are good at taking orders. May be a handful of innovators and even that is debatable.

 

Indira Gandhi- emergency,license raj which drove India to the brink of bankruptcy. Creating a conflict with our Sikh brothers who are the sons of this soil as much as Hindus and not some foreign ideology .

 

Yes she won a war but as I said winning or losing wars doesn’t make one a great leader case in point Rani of Jhansi. In fact it is said that the Army genreals had to feign ignorance in receiving some orders to carry out some missions in hastening the fall of Dhaka.

 

These guys have singlehandedly made a mockery of India. British and Mughals couldn’t kill the resilience of the people of our great nation but these guys have done more damage to our pshyce than the foreign invaders.

 

I was going to address each point of yours but this rant took a lot out of me so will save it for later.

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8 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

@maniac Vijaynagar had more area than Mughals. When the heck did that happen? 

Also the role of Indira Gandhi in Sikh militancy is massively exaggerated. The seeds of the movement were sown way back during the1920s.

Vijay nagar empire at its peak covered huge parts of south India,Maharashtra and Goa ,a more significant piece  of our history than Tuglkaq, qutubuddin aibak and other douchebags isn’t it?

 

Can someone tell me how far and wide Mughal empire was spread during the Akbar Shajahan era? 

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@Stradlater we can argue the semantics of the actual land mass area etc but the very fact that we have a chapter dedicated every Islamic invader but an empire which ruled a significant land mass of present day India is totally kept out. 

 

I dont know what the syllabus or ciricullum is now but every middle school kid knows who Tughlaq is or Qutubuddin Aibak is. What are the odds they knew who Krishna Deva Raya is or Hampi which was a significant trading city of medieval India?

 

The Ahom dynasty of Assam defeated the Mughal empire in its peak. Do we even learn that? 

 

The Portuguese were defeated by a small obscure kingdom in Kerala.

 

All we learn is the beating we took by Mughals and the foreign invaders.

 

We learn that we won Azaadi due to ahimsa which did jack **** for us. British left us after world war 2 and also netajj’s azad hind fauj that gave an alternative to the soldier. 

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24 minutes ago, maniac said:

Vijay nagar empire at its peak covered huge parts of south India,Maharashtra and Goa ,a more significant piece  of our history than Tuglkaq, qutubuddin aibak and other douchebags isn’t it?

 

Can someone tell me how far and wide Mughal empire was spread during the Akbar Shajahan era? 

The Mughal empire at it's peak encompassed an area almost double the size of Vijaynagar at it's fullest.

I understand your grievances regarding history teaching in India. This is what happens when you have fraud historians such as the likes of Thapars and Chandras occupying chief positions for decades. It will take loong loong time for the narrative to change in our textbooks.

The whole field is dominated to the core by the leftist historians.

 

@Gollum I had high hopes from BJP with regards to it that we would finally see an end to leftist hegemony from Indian historiography scene. They disappointed as usual.

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Cricket was never meant to be a global sport and will never be one.

 

In the Georgian era UK, cricket was played without any rules and for fun, gambling was very common too. Only when Victorian era began, complex rules were made keeping the Victorian morality and Anglo Saxon Protestantism in mind, which is why test players wear white, it is the colour of purity and Christ.

 

Cricket was exported to colonies not for fun and games but to civilize them with Victorian morals, the game was specifically designed for the Englishman and had no philosophical similarities with the local culture of the colonies.

 

Which is the reason why you will never find and Italian enjoy cricket because it's philosophically British sport and the colonies enjoy it because they obviously remained colonies long enough to develop a taste for the game.

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9 hours ago, Stradlater said:

The hell man!!

I don't even know where to begin. Obviously I disagree with a lot of these but hey it's an unpopular opinion thread after all.

Even then the way you clubbed Desi music in one and rated it above certain famous international musical groups is as blasphemous as it gets. Didn't expect this from a refined poster like you :/

 

PS: And yes Muloghonto will eat you alive. Good luck lol.

Come on man, I was doing justice to the thread title :p:. These are just random musings made well past midnight, don't fret over it. Another day I will have an entirely different outlook regarding the same points I made. I am not steadfast regarding many of my opinions, just like most people I guess. 

 

Coming to desi music I clubbed them in one because I didn't want to deviate from the thread title or get into specifics. Of course I don't rate entire spectrum of desi music as great and all international music groups as less, just my observation as a whole (best vs best, average vs average) based on my limited experience. Besides I don't want to make mulo/tibarn type essays over one random opinion. It is a subtle and vast topic that will spark long winded debates, perhaps leave it for another day . 

 

I am ready for mulo even though I have had this same debate with him on countless occasions in the sports sub forum. And yeah unlike me he will carry his viewpoints to the grave.

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@maniac chill. This thread by @Stradlater bro is in a lighter vein. Don't get so serious or emotional. We can get into the specifics about history or Indian politics in another thread, plenty of old threads to dig up. I guess the point of this thread was to have fun or provoke generally held conventions, nothing more to it. At least I certainly wasn't expecting to indulge in serious, intellectual pursuits here...typed the first things that came in my mind. 

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Nagraj and his team of "Brahmand Ke Rakshak" superheros from Raj Comic wipes the floor with The Avengers and anything else Marvel has to offer.

 

Tolerance does not necessarily mean endorsing and encouraging behavior you disagree with.

 

Lesbian porn is the best thing to happen to humanity.

 

Vampire Diaries had a pretty decent concept when it first started airing.

 

I didn't like Uri. The flare of emotions and deshbhakti abound in bollywood films never work for me.

 

Atheists are more annoying than religious people. This I say despite practically being an atheist/agnostic.

 

Hitler gets too much flak because of the powerful Jewish lobby. There have been much more brutal dictators such as Pol Pot/Stalin/Mao whose crimes have been swept under the rug to make Hitler look like Satan reincarnated. Similarly nobody wants to talk about how Western imperialist powers practically raped China during 19th century with Japan providing icing on cake with Nanking massacre.

 

 

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I think Arranged marriage is a lot more fun and the criticism directed at it is totally unjustified.

 

Akbar was actually a pretty decent emperor if we ignore some of his questionable acts committed during his teenage years(Chittor massacre).

 

Bengali intellectuals deserve a "zordar g**d pe laat" (Take a note @Muloghonto

 

Hindus are the most chewtia qaum on this planet and deserve to be ridiculed.

 

All the nonsensical rituals and customs in Hinduism adds to its beauty and are pretty fun. Think it's the most chilled out religion in terms of festivals.

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