So we didn’t lose in any format on an overseas tour without the next “Kapil Dev”

[maniac]

T20 drew the series, would have won it had it not  

rained

 

Could have won the test series 3-1

 

Won the ODI series 2-1

 

All without the next “Kapil Dev” . I mean could we imagine any success in the 80s without Kapil Dev.

 

However didn’t apply here

 

Discuss

 

@Cricketics @zen @Khota @Ankit_sharma03

 

Edited January 19, 2019 by maniac

[maniac]

On the other hand lost both odi and test series in England. Just saying :)

[Deleted_User_1]

Kapil Dev abhi “kar” rahan hain. Uske pass kirkut khelne ka fursat nahin hain bhai!

Edited January 20, 2019 by Audiophile

[SK_IH]

Pandya needed in LOI sides.But we have to see his batting form.

[zen]

ind won Asia cup without Kohli 

 

ind won in Aus even though Kohli did not do that well

 

ind won tests in Aus with no Shaw

 

Ind won with Vijay and Rahul 

 

And if Ind picks me and wins, it would not have missed the guy I replaced 

 

/discussion 

Edited January 19, 2019 by zen

[mani sha]

a good allrounder is invaluable . fast bowling one ieven more

he isnt kapil dev

he isnt a slut

he has performed decently if not exceptionally. Allow him some time .in one day internationals we won two world cups

kapil and yuvi were our allrounders

 

rt now we can pray that jadhav jadeja and pandya can be half as good as a sum total!

[maniac]

40 minutes ago, zen said:

ind won Asia cup without Kohli 

 

ind won in Aus even though Kohli did not do that well

 

ind won tests in Aus with no Shaw

 

Ind won with Vijay and Rahul 

 

And if Ind picks me and wins, it would not have missed the guy I replaced 

 

/discussion 

We won because balance didn’t get affected in tests especially which screwed us in England.

[Straight Drive]

Hardik is very important for ODI format.  In tests it does not matters whether he is there in playing 11 or not. 

[Trichromatic]

We would have whitewashed Aus with next Kapil Dev

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, maniac said:

We won because balance didn’t get affected in tests especially which screwed us in England.

 

We won the test series in Australia because we had  3.5  batsmen performing  (  Pujara primarily supported by Mayank and Kohli and Pant during the end  )   ... instead of the 2 batsmen in England  (  Kohli primarily supported by Pujara from T3 )

 

The 6th batsman was still an underperformer.

 

And our bowling was good in both series.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Won the ODI series 2-1

All without the next “Kapil Dev” .

But won the deciding ODI of the series with someone who supposedly "cannot play anything more than 140K even when delivered gun barrel straight but with a little bounce and anything over 135K's when there is a little movement" batting at No. 5.

 

Discuss @maniac 

[zen]

46 minutes ago, maniac said:

We won because balance didn’t get affected in tests especially which screwed us in England.

We won because key players such as Pujara played exceptionally .... balance I can provide too .... but whatever floats your boat 

Edited January 19, 2019 by zen

[Pollack]

Flawed logic. 

[Khota]

Let me repeat for the umpteenth time. This is a age of specialist with players who excel is specific skillset. There is no such thing as allrounders as it is just not possible to develope those. India has done fine without Pandya. He has a bright future if he focusses on bowling.

[Khota]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

T20 drew the series, would have won it had it not  

rained

 

Could have won the test series 3-1

 

Won the ODI series 2-1

 

All without the next “Kapil Dev” . I mean could we imagine any success in the 80s without Kapil Dev.

 

However didn’t apply here

 

Discuss

 

@Cricketics @zen @Khota @Ankit_sharma03

 

Seems like someone like bow fishing. Or is it a fishing expedition.

[Pollack]

11 minutes ago, Khota said:

Let me repeat for the umpteenth time. This is a age of specialist with players who excel is specific skillset. There is no such thing as allrounders as it is just not possible to develope those. India has done fine without Pandya. He has a bright future if he focusses on bowling.

All-rounders do exist. Here's one for you :

 

[maniac]

1 hour ago, zen said:

We won because key players such as Pujara played exceptionally .... balance I can provide too .... but whatever floats your boat 

Agree Pujara was the star of the series however coming to Pandya

 

Ashwin took 6 wickets and scored valuable runs in the 1st test. Rohit played a decent knock a batsmen’s knock in the first innings too. We had 4 proper bowlers who got the job done.

 

2nd test we lost with 4 seamers. Debate was between Jadeja and Bhuvi. 4 proper seamers messed up the first session which cost us the test and in hindsight maybe should have played a spinner. So no spot for Pandya.

 

3rd test too 6th batsmen- Rohit Sharma played  an important knock and 5th bowler was not required.4 bowlers did their job.

 

4th test- Same thing, 4 bowlers almost got the job done. Didn’t need an ”allrounder”. Maybe Vihari is or is not the guy is a different debate but the spot was rightfully given to a consistent domestic performer who “earned his shot” not just gifted on a silver platter. 

 

Odis and T20s, still maintain he is an important cog but got the job done without him

Edited January 19, 2019 by maniac

[maniac]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

We would have whitewashed Aus with next Kapil Dev

You mean if a “real” next Kapil Dev exists right? Or are you talking about the one anointed as one?

[maniac]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

We won the test series in Australia because we had  3.5  batsmen performing  (  Pujara primarily supported by Mayank and Kohli and Pant during the end  )   ... instead of the 2 batsmen in England  (  Kohli primarily supported by Pujara from T3 )

 

The 6th batsman was still an underperformer.

 

And our bowling was good in both series.

That exactly proves my point that on a good pitch 4 specialist bowlers are enough which doesn’t require a 5th bowler. If you have a Kallis or Watson in your line up  as a 5th bowler sure, huge bonus.  Forget Kallis, even someone like Angelo Matthews.

 

the 6th batsman underperformed means you find a better no.6.

 

solution for neither of those is a bits and pieces player 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

On the other hand lost both odi and test series in England. Just saying :)

1. Is this aussie side as strong as Eng that to home ??? No......Ghanta

2. Hardik pandya Status is - he is essential for team balance not that he has become the match winners like kohli, dhawa, rohit, kuldeep, bumrah and yet we still won ODI series without bumrah & kuldeep , dhawan not performing