zen Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Tests Jason Holder is doing reasonably well for WI. However in his first 2 years, Records type all-round analysis [change type] View match by match list [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka Start of match date less than or equal to 26 Jun 2016 Ordered by start date (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 36 1688 129* 32.46 3 88 6/59 28.02 5 26 0 4.43 Profile filtered 13 546 103* 27.30 1 21 3/15 39.00 0 10 0 -11.69 After two years, Records type all-round analysis [change type] View match by match list [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka Start of match date greater than or equal to 26 Jun 2016 Ordered by start date (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 2014-2019 36 1688 129* 32.46 3 88 6/59 28.02 5 26 0 4.43 Profile filtered 2016-2019 19 933 129* 34.55 1 48 5/30 28.29 3 13 0 6.26 If we look at someone like Hardik Pandya, he has both a better batting and bowling average in his first year (vs. Holder’s in his first two years) Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team England or South Africa or Sri Lanka Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 11 532 108 31.29 1 17 5/28 31.05 1 7 0 0.23 Profile filtered 10 461 108 28.81 1 17 5/28 29.64 1 7 0 -0.83 Hardik is an unique cricketer as he is someone with the potential to hit 100s and bowl at 140+. I hope that Ind invests in him so that we can develop him into a top test AR PS Kallis in tests in his first 3 years Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date less than or equal to 14 Dec 1998 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1995-2013 166 13289 224 55.37 45 292 6/54 32.65 5 200 0 22.71 Profile filtered 1995-1998 21 985 132 30.78 2 27 4/24 33.03 0 18 0 -2.25 Edited January 25, 2019 by zen sandeep 1 Link to comment
Tendulkar1996 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Very difficult.We have enough spin allrounders,but pace bowling allrounders are gold for india.Lucky thing is next wc you'll need a spin allrounder,and we already have options - jadeja,krunal,axar,sundar and upcoming abhishek sharma. Link to comment
zen Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Tendulkar1996 said: Very difficult.We have enough spin allrounders,but pace bowling allrounders are gold for india.Lucky thing is next wc you'll need a spin allrounder,and we already have options - jadeja,krunal,axar,sundar and upcoming abhishek sharma. This is about test cricket .... Hardik is already a key player in LOIs Link to comment
vayuu1 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Hope shivam dubey comes good Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Shankar Krunal Dube Anukul roy These 4 shud play all LOI-A games from now .... Its important to have a good set of all rounders Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 They did invest in Hardik Pandya.The problem is he has not done his part and improved his game.He has been around for 2 years. Your assumption that he will become as good as Holder forget Kallis is silly.Holder has technique which is missing from Pandya.Kallis had most perfect technique , Pandya even his wildest dreams cannot become Kallis. He will continue to get his chances , it will be upto him to show improvement, I don't think he has shown any so far. GolGappe 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I rather invest in making gold out of lead. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 21 hours ago, zen said: Tests Jason Holder is doing reasonably well for WI. However in his first 2 years, Records type all-round analysis [change type] View match by match list [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka Start of match date less than or equal to 26 Jun 2016 Ordered by start date (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 36 1688 129* 32.46 3 88 6/59 28.02 5 26 0 4.43 Profile filtered 13 546 103* 27.30 1 21 3/15 39.00 0 10 0 -11.69 After two years, Records type all-round analysis [change type] View match by match list [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka Start of match date greater than or equal to 26 Jun 2016 Ordered by start date (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 2014-2019 36 1688 129* 32.46 3 88 6/59 28.02 5 26 0 4.43 Profile filtered 2016-2019 19 933 129* 34.55 1 48 5/30 28.29 3 13 0 6.26 If we look at someone like Hardik Pandya, he has both a better batting and bowling average in his first year (vs. Holder’s in his first two years) Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team England or South Africa or Sri Lanka Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 11 532 108 31.29 1 17 5/28 31.05 1 7 0 0.23 Profile filtered 10 461 108 28.81 1 17 5/28 29.64 1 7 0 -0.83 Hardik is an unique cricketer as he is someone with the potential to hit 100s and bowl at 140+. I hope that Ind invests in him so that we can develop him into a top test AR PS Kallis in tests in his first 3 years Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date less than or equal to 14 Dec 1998 Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1995-2013 166 13289 224 55.37 45 292 6/54 32.65 5 200 0 22.71 Profile filtered 1995-1998 21 985 132 30.78 2 27 4/24 33.03 0 18 0 -2.25 Holder averaged 23 with ball in domestics. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Jadeja since NZ series: Bat avg: 45 Bowl avg: 23 Should always play ahead of Pandya if we are looking for AR and he doesn't make it to top 4 bowling positions. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 19 hours ago, putrevus said: They did invest in Hardik Pandya.The problem is he has not done his part and improved his game.He has been around for 2 years. Your assumption that he will become as good as Holder forget Kallis is silly.Holder has technique which is missing from Pandya.Kallis had most perfect technique , Pandya even his wildest dreams cannot become Kallis. He will continue to get his chances , it will be upto him to show improvement, I don't think he has shown any so far. Assumption is that players magically develop skills directly at international level without proving themselves in FC cricket. Holder was made captain with that type of performance. Let's make Pandya captain of this team. Khota 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Jadeja gets a bad rap but he has done very well and even better than Ashwin.Unlike Ashwin you know what you get from him. Khota 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Holder averaged 23 with ball in domestics. 14 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Assumption is that players magically develop skills directly at international level without proving themselves in FC cricket. Holder was made captain with that type of performance. Let's make Pandya captain of this team. Pandya has been fast tracked and we have his international performances in front of us, which is better than Holder’s, whatever his domestic performances, in his first 13 tests Whenever Pandya bowled with a relatively fresh ball, his bowling performance is much better, including winning Ind a test match overseas. Not to forget his 100, 90, 50 not out, etc Edited January 26, 2019 by zen Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Assumption is that players magically develop skills directly at international level without proving themselves in FC cricket. Holder was made captain with that type of performance. Let's make Pandya captain of this team. Basic tools are missing from Padya or his brother. Khota 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Jadeja since NZ series: Bat avg: 45 Bowl avg: 23 Should always play ahead of Pandya if we are looking for AR and he doesn't make it to top 4 bowling positions. Agreed. Jadeja has done well and is way ahead of Pandya. Jadeja is a very very viable player in the line up. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, zen said: Pandya has been fast tracked and we have his international performances in front of us, which is better than Holder’s, whatever his domestic performances, in his first 13 tests Whenever Pandya bowled with a relatively fresh ball, his bowling performance is much better, including winning Ind a test match overseas. Not to forget his 100, 90, 50 not out, etc Yes, it's better than Holder. Can you list names of players who averaged less than 30 in domestic cricket and averaged 40 in test cricket? Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Just now, Khota said: Agreed. Jadeja has done well and is way ahead of Pandya. Jadeja is a very very viable player in the line up. He should be first preference if we are looking for all rounders. Link to comment
Khota Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: He should be first preference if we are looking for all rounders. Yes. He is the closest we have. Edited January 26, 2019 by Khota Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 @zen why should Pandya get a preference over Jadeja? Link to comment
zen Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Yes, it's better than Holder. Can you list names of players who averaged less than 30 in domestic cricket and averaged 40 in test cricket? I do not follow domestics much. But know players to have been fast tracked many times like Tendulkar. I do not know how Shaw, Gill, Pant, Kuldeep, etc have done in domestics but am confident of them doing well in international games based on potential and talent .... on the other hand, guys like Vihari have good domestic records but appear like glorified night watchmen at international stage From what I recall, Sobers does not have a great FC record Edited January 26, 2019 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: @zen why should Pandya get a preference over Jadeja? a) More talented than Jadeja b) An unique pace bowling AR from Ind c) Jadeja got his chances Jadeja can be played too if a spinner is required. But I do not trust his batting as much. Recently in SENA, did well in games where Ind scored heavily with Pant scoring 100s in both games. Pandya could have hit 100s on such surfaces too (Avgs 60+ in good batting conditions) Edited January 26, 2019 by zen Link to comment
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