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Fans Call Cheteshwar Pujara "Cheater" For Escaping Dismissal During Ranji Trophy Semi-final

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8 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

Good to see more mature response from Yere Goud and Manish Pandey

 

Yere Goud

Goud didn't appear to hold issue with Pujara not having walked. "It is left on the individual," he said. "Because sometimes players get bad decisions, generally they don't walk. That has been the case in most of the domestic matches we've seen."

 

Manish Pandey

 

Karnataka captain Manish Pandey mentioned the umpiring obliquely, telling the host broadcaster after the game, "Unfortunately, a couple of decisions went against us, maybe a couple of performances would have made a difference today."

 

Players know such decisions always even out. They know Vinay Kumar did not walk in QFs and played a match winning knock. They also know they benefited from such decisions in 2014-15 Ranji finals vs Mumbai. Contrast that with the lunatic fans and their boorish behaviour at the ground and on social media.

 

 

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Pujara did what most other cricketers would do. Both his desire to win and the crowd passion here shows that Ranji is being passionately contested and that is a good thing. Focus should be on poor umpiring and lack of DRS in these games.

 

All of us would have agreed with Pujara if this happened vs. Australia. You can respect a player for walking but not walking is not cheating. It is what everyone does to get their team to win.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, CoverDrive said:

Pujara did what most other cricketers would do. Both his desire to win and the crowd passion here shows that Ranji is being passionately contested and that is a good thing. Focus should be on poor umpiring and lack of DRS in these games.

 

All of us would have agreed with Pujara if this happened vs. Australia. You can respect a player for walking but not walking is not cheating. It is what everyone does to get their team to win.

 

 

I would have got some sympathy for Karnataka ranji fans if they had called Vinay Kumar a cheater for not walking and ensuring he was dropped from the semis. Obviously they did not. Which is why I am calling lunatic sore losers for abusing an India legend. 

 

Gavaskar's wife had rotten rubbish thrown at her in Eden, decided not to play there ever after. Pujara should do the same for Chinnaswamy. 

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Good stuff on both sides.

 

Pujara was within his rights to stand. His job is not to correct the incompetency of umpire. He is there to bat for his team and win it for team.

Fans are absolutely within their right to pick on the incident and put it on the face of Pujara. I guess Pujara expected that too. He took it for the team.

 

Sports reveal the Character. Not just Character of Players but also fans too

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3 hours ago, Kannadiga said:

This is real story. This is exactly what I was complaining/extrapolating when "DRS  opposed by BCCI and Indian players" was ridiculed by media.

 

Team DRS will manufacture a public opinion and shove it on BCCI and poor Indian state Boards. Its all about business

 

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8 hours ago, Kannadiga said:

They didn't spend their time and money to see someone cheat his way out and affect the match result. The fans have been doing it mildly, for my liking. They should be more vocal about it and ask their money back. That should teach these players and officials a lesson.

How ignorant can one be - Entry is free to Ranji matches - bunch of loafers with nothing else to do acting all butt-hurt over a normal part of the game, and using it as an excuse to indulge in boorish behavior.  

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31 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

There's a huge fan base on twitter who are really into domestic games and never miss a game whenever Karnataka is playing. They regularly discuss these topics and really back the players. 

 

Maybe you should be happy that someone gives a sh!t and do attend these games.

 

Calling Pujara a cheat was well justified by his shameful act. He deserves everything coming in his way. 

All of that is great, and I'm very happy that there is a supportive core for the Karnataka FC team.  But your whinge about "money back" etc was based on a false premise. Nice of you to acknowledge that. /s

 

And not walking <> cheating - no matter how much whinge you serve up with bondas.  

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4 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

You are going to offer up their travelling expenses? How do you plan on making up for their lost time watching this sh!t show? 

 

Not walking knowing he's nicked it = Cheat and add in 'Desperate' as well. 

 

You smell like a fresh out of Mumbai slum. Don't give lecture to fans who wasted five days on someone who cheated his way to a win. 

:laugh:  When facts go against morons, they often turn to personal insults out of desperation.  Butthurt-ism fails before logic.  Always.  

 

Since I grew up as a child in Bombay, I am well acquainted with the phenomenon of aggressive bhikaaris begging for things as if they are entitled to it.  what is that modern meme term?  Choosing Beggars?  

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If you are going to vomit poison and claim criticsm of Pujara is warranted because he was "unethical", then so is criticism of loafers who acted shamelessly by booing a legend of the game out of butt-hurt feelings.  

 

Can't have double standards, but then again that's too much logic for some.

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1 hour ago, Kannadiga said:

You are going to offer up their travelling expenses? How do you plan on making up for their lost time watching this sh!t show? 

 

Not walking knowing he's nicked it = Cheat and add in 'Desperate' as well. 

 

You smell like a fresh out of Mumbai slum. Don't give lecture to fans who wasted five days on someone who cheated his way to a win. 

If Pujsra cheated then he should be charged as such . Care to inform which law in cricket he would be charged with ? 

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Lunatic fans still crying and patting their own back thinking by shouting Cheater at Pujara, they have done a noble deed. They are not merely lunatics but borderline criminals as well, the same bunch who throw stuff at players and their families with an intent to physically harm them. and some lunatics justify it by saying but they gave their time to come and watch.

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3 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Lunatic fans still crying and patting their own back thinking by shouting Cheater at Pujara, they have done a noble deed. They are not merely lunatics but borderline criminals as well, the same bunch who throw stuff at players and their families with an intent to physically harm them. and some lunatics justify it by saying but they gave their time to come and watch.

There should be rules for the crowds at the stadium 

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Ranji teams had "fans" ? THis is news to me . Good to see as I thought only stray dogs or selectors turned up for these matches. 

 

This is good for Indian cricket if passionate fans are coming to watch domestic matches.

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3 hours ago, Kannadiga said:

Then what do you want to call it?

Cricket !!!...no laws broken just  some snowflakes getting themselves into a tizzy .you win some you lose some ...Deal with it .

With your out cry about it all , every Karnataka player who waits on an umpire decision is a " cheat" too because all he is doing is to see if he has gotten away with it . 

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31 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

He was clearly out and refused to walk. Even though he didn't break any laws, he is still a cheat. lol 

 

I am not sure what's there to defend here. 

Any Karnataka player who nicks it and waits for umpires decision is a " cheat" too .why wait for the umpire to put his finger up ? Why don't they just walk off before given out ! 

Answer is they hope they won't be given out .

This is big boys cricket not gulley cricket go cry to someone who cares . 

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1 hour ago, Tattieboy said:

Any Karnataka player who nicks it and waits for umpires decision is a " cheat" too .why wait for the umpire to put his finger up ? Why don't they just walk off before given out ! 

Answer is they hope they won't be given out .

This is big boys cricket not gulley cricket go cry to someone who cares . 

When Karnataka players nicks it, they just want to be sure that keeper caught it cleanly at chest height.

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How hard it is to understand that Pujara did what most players do all around the world. Karnataka fans anger is justified too. Not like they are killing Pujara. Spectators calling out on players happen all around the world. And yes if you Nick and don't walk it's cheating. Doesn't matter if you are breaking any law or not.You guys call ajmal cheater when he chucked through his significant career without getting caught by law. Batsman all around the world cheat when they don't walk if they know they have nicked. No big deal. But doesn't actually mean it isn't cheating.

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3 minutes ago, Pollack said:

How hard it is to understand that Pujara did what most players do all around the world. Karnataka fans anger is justified too. Not like they are killing Pujara. Spectators calling out on players happen all around the world. And yes if you Nick and don't walk it's cheating. Doesn't matter if you are breaking any law or not.You guys call ajmal cheater when he chucked through his significant career without getting caught by law. Batsman all around the world cheat when they don't walk if they know they have nicked. No big deal. But doesn't actually mean it isn't cheating.

Dont try to justify this. Its not cheating if no rule is broken. He simply stood his ground its umpires decision. Karnataka fans were pathetic to boo and shout insults at Pujara who just won the country their greatest test series victory.

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3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Dont try to justify this. Its not cheating if no rule is broken. He simply stood his ground its umpires decision. Karnataka fans were pathetic to boo and shout insults at Pujara who just won the country their greatest test series victory.

Your hate for Karnataka and Mumbai is well known here. So wouldn't argue with you. It's waste of time. Most reginolistic hate spewer here.

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3 hours ago, Kannadiga said:

So, now, he has a licence to cheat in a Ranji game because he is a successful international player? Why not just hand over the award to his team just because m'lord is bothering himself to grace us all with his presence. :lol:

 

You called him 'Your legend'.

What country are you from?

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1 hour ago, Pollack said:

How hard it is to understand that Pujara did what most players do all around the world. Karnataka fans anger is justified too. Not like they are killing Pujara. Spectators calling out on players happen all around the world. And yes if you Nick and don't walk it's cheating. Doesn't matter if you are breaking any law or not.You guys call ajmal cheater when he chucked through his significant career without getting caught by law. Batsman all around the world cheat when they don't walk if they know they have nicked. No big deal. But doesn't actually mean it isn't cheating.

So WC match, and Kohli nicks one and isn't given.  Fielding team out of reviews.  Do you want Virat to walk? 

 

If you don't, then you have no right to criticize Pujara here. 

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

So WC match, and Kohli nicks one and isn't given.  Fielding team out of reviews.  Do you want Virat to walk? 

 

If you don't, then you have no right to criticize Pujara here. 

1) I, personally wouldn't want him to walk. Since these things usually even out since you also get wrong decisions against. But I wouldn't be pissed off if he walks. I am not unhappy either ways.

2) I am not criticizing Pujara. Both Pujara and Karnataka fans aren't wrong here. 

3) My only disagreement is with those who say batsman not walking while nicking aren't cheating. They are. Doesn't matter if everyone does so.

 

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5 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

Sadly, now he has turned into a cheat. Lost complete respect for him.

 

I think his honeymoon period is over. He will not be playing against the same Aussie side in the future. 

Pujara just tweeted that he wants to personally apologise to you. He cant even taste his "dal" properly, It feels its has too much salt in it. Please forgive

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Just now, Kannadiga said:

Sadly, now he has turned into a cheat. Lost complete respect for him.

 

I think his honeymoon period is over. He will not be playing against the same Aussie side in the future. 

You think or You wish?

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3 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

Should ban his ass from entering the sacred Chinnaswamy.. 

What if next time umpires gives him out because Karnataka players apeeal despite him not nicking? Will you ban whole karnataka team

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1 hour ago, Kannadiga said:

 

Did I say they are an exception to this.. Of course any one who does that will be called cheat. 

 

These things rarely happen. Example being Stuard Broad when he refused to walk in the last Ashes series. He was called much worse than this. 

 

Kudos to Karnataka fans for calling this cheat out:hatsoff:

 

There people saw replay. 

 

Have you seen replay? 

 

How do you know he was out? 

 

How do people stadium know he nicked it?  Please don't tell me that the could spot it from 70 m? 

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54 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

 

Did I say they are an exception to this.. Of course any one who does that will be called cheat. 

 

These things rarely happen. Example being Stuard Broad when he refused to walk in the last Ashes series. He was called much worse than this. 

 

Kudos to Karnataka fans for calling this cheat out:hatsoff:

 

Broad did not refuse to walk . You can only refuse to walk if given out !!

An appeal was made, given not out by umpire , game continues . 

In about 99% of the time the umpire gives the correct decision, but in 1% they don't , time for people like you to start saying player A is a cheat But the other 99 % would in your eyes be  cheats too only you don't or can't because in those cases the players that waited for decision the umpires got it right !!.

 

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Coach defends Cheteshwar Pujara, slams Karnataka team for 'false appeals'

 

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Kotak accused Karnataka of false appeals during the semi-final clash. "Karnataka can cry, but when they got Prerak Mankad out [on 0 in the first innings], caught behind by appealing wrongly even as the ball was relatively far away from the bat, why didn't they recall Prerak? They got Prerak wrongly out and were happy with it.

 

The wicketkeeper knew, the bowler knew... so why didn't they call him back? You want Pujara to be honest, but you don't want to be honest. You cannot have it both ways.

"If they had sporting spirit, why would they falsely appeal? At least we didn't make any false appeal. Karnataka were showing desperation because they may have felt hard done by [with Pujara's decision]," said Kotak.

 

'Crowd wrong to boo Pujara'
Pujara was reportedly booed by the Chinnaswamy crowd with chants of 'cheater cheater'. "It is wrong on the crowd's part. Has Vinay Kumar ever called a batsman back in his career for being given out wrongly? If he has not done so then he has no right to complain," said Kotak.

"As long as the umpire is not doing it purposely. He's human, he can make mistakes. You have to go with the decision and accept it. There were so many decisions which went against us as well... at least five to six. But we haven't complained. Vinay was out leg before, but the umpire said it was bat and pad. [Abhimanyu] Mithun and Mayank [Agarwal] were also clearly out leg before but were given not out. The decisions were even for both teams," he added.

Kotak also highlighted Sauashtra's better record against Karnataka. In the last three clashes before the semi-final, Saurashtra had two outright wins [in 2018-19 and 2016-17] and a first innings lead in the 2012-13 quarter-final. "So, no point finding excuses about losing due to bad decisions," concluded Kotak.

 

Seems like Karnataka fans could see only one batsman. 

 

https://www.mid-day.com/articles/coach-defends-cheteshwar-pujara-slams-karnataka-team-for-false-appeals/20311188

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WHat's this got to do fans' behaviour? In a crowd, if one boos, they will all kjoin in the heat of the moment. Even objective ones on Internet will feel cheated. This is like giving Sachin/Kohli/Pujara out on a no-ball. We feel cheated. As if fans in other states (if they even go to the stadium to watch or even follow the games of their state) will be objective when it comes to passionate following of the game. 

 

The need of the hour is better umpiring. BCCI has so much money, they can get better qualityinternational umpires. Get in DRS for KO games. But don't abuse fans who are following and promoting the domestic cricket. With the following and the rigour of domestic cricket we have got greats like Dravid, Laxman, Pujara and many more.

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6 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

 Then why did his captain and coach feel the need to defend his action of not walking? There are already enough articles written on the incident. It seems the same thing has happened in the first innings as well and guess who the batsman was. 

Has anyone said anything for sure? 

 

Most of the articles mention what happened. No one has conclusively said anything. Reporters didn't see replay. Till now we have only Karnataka players who were making false appeals in matches anyway and words of fans who magically saw the replay on ground that too while sitting 70 m away.

 

Did you see it? We have online Karnataka fans who didn't see anything and passing judgement.

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29 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Broad did not refuse to walk . You can only refuse to walk if given out !!

 

 

Nobody can stand their ground if given out. you've to just leave. An act of refusal is simply not allowed when given out.

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2 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

 You were whining that this does not happen in international cricket. I gave you an example and you completely changed your tone. Even if it didn't happen at the international stage, all players have the moral obligation to play with in the right spirit. He tried to take advantage of a hole within the system and that's called cheating my friend. 

People see it in international cricket and they know it.

 

Can you give an example when people didn't know for sure and still cry about it in modern cricket.

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2 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

Then why are they discussing about it if it didn't happen? Even the likes of Chopra and Bhogle are giving out their opinions. 

What are they saying? They saw replay and it was out?

 

Can you say for sure that those genuis fans know for sure that bowler didn't overstep?

 

Can you say for sure that it wasn't a no-ball?

 

You're talking about international cricket. How many times have we seen that batsman is given out and when umpire check for no-ball later when batsman is walking, they call them back. Has been happening a lot in recent years.

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2 hours ago, Pollack said:

Karnataka fans aren't wrong here. 

dude some two-bit tossers from some Bangalore tippasandra half of them probably not even karnataka guys( i mean folks from interior etc the humble nice fellas  who would be too polite to do do anything more than a grunt and shrugg) booed Pujara, who freaking won us the biggest test series price there is, and they boo him. Scum and you are defending them here. 

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8 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

You were whining that this does not happen in international cricket. I gave you an example and you completely changed your tone. Even if it didn't happen at the international stage, all players have the moral obligation to play with in the right spirit. He tried to take advantage of a hole within the system and that's called cheating my friend. 

i think you are not from Karnataka.

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2 minutes ago, Kannadiga said:

You didn't attend the game and on what basis, you are claiming that it didn't happen. 

 

There are enough articles highlighting the incident and I tend to go with what they have written. 

I am saying no one knows and you're appreciation of genius fans is based on something which isn't clear.

 

Please share link of articles which mention it conclusively.

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