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This is hands down the worst South African team of all time.

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They can’t blame it on quotas because colored players like Rabada, Tahir and to some extent a washed up Amla seem some of their best players anyways.

 

However Phelekwayo, Mulder, Pretorious etc etc they are producing some real crap.

 

Not a single matchwinner in a side even at its worst previously  had 8-9 matchwinners in the side.

 

Steyn is over the hill now and maybe Rabada is the closest to a match winner and maybe Dekock but not totally convincing.

 

What a pathetic downfall. Don’t even think quota system has to be blamed.

 

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12 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Just goes to show how selfish AB Devilliers actually is. Kept his team hanging like this just before WC and playing in Bangla premier league :facepalm:

True this guy is a true mercenary. Choker par excellence as well.

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i guess two things

 

(a) young white south africans who were the bread and butter for the national team are either leaving south africa for economic and security reasons, leaving behind mostly old white south africans. My collgue is a white south african who told me his entire extended family are looking to move to Europe either UK or Netherlands as they feel their existence its threatened in SA. Maybe he is hyping it up to gain asylum who knows, but the general feeling is people are looking to move out.

 

(b) The asians coloured (mixed race) and black populace is either not that capable or not rich enough to indulge in cricket.

 

I think the likes of Steyn Morkel Faf AB are the last great white south african cricketing generation. Questions is can other segments of South african society step up?

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27 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Just goes to show how selfish AB Devilliers actually is. Kept his team hanging like this just before WC and playing in Bangla premier league :facepalm:

I bet you if SA board go to him with hands folded, he will play the WC.  His 'retirement' was just to avoid the controversy of skipping bilateral cricket in order to maximize his T20 earnings.  I don't blame him for trying to earn all he can, now that he has only a year or few left to play, but the whole way this has played out has been... interesting. 

 

As Indian fans, we are extremely lucky that our top players do not ever have to choose between earning money and doing what's best for the national team.  

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30 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Just goes to show how selfish AB Devilliers actually is. Kept his team hanging like this just before WC and playing in Bangla premier league :facepalm:

why is he selfish? you are comparing international cricket to hit and giggle format.

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1 minute ago, G_B_ said:

i guess two things

 

(a) young white south africans who were the bread and butter for the national team are either leaving south africa for economic and security reasons, leaving behind mostly old white south africans. My collgue is a white south african who told me his entire extended family are looking to move to Europe either UK or Netherlands as they feel their existence its threatened in SA. Maybe he is hyping it up to gain asylum who knows, but the general feeling is people are looking to move out.

 

(b) The asians coloured (mixed race) and black populace is either not that capable or not rich enough to indulge in cricket.

 

I think the likes of Steyn Morkel Faf AB are the last great white south african cricketing generation. Questions is can other segments of South african society step up?

I will start with a stereotype but White people in a mixed society usually become admins and run the sport and leave the athletics to the black people. Sounds crude but you see it in a lot of American sports or even the French and English soccer teams. I mean Rabada is probably the best pure athlete in cricket right now.

 

Is the Cricket board of South Africa run by government appointed members?

 

Back in the day Ali Bacher used to be in charge but who runs it these days?

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 Phelekwayo is black as well. 

So what? He is crap. But so are Mulder and Preteroious who are white.

 

Their colored cricketers are fine like Rabada,Tahir.

 

It has nothing to do with quotas, they are just producing crap these days.

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8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I bet you if SA board go to him with hands folded, he will play the WC.  His 'retirement' was just to avoid the controversy of skipping bilateral cricket in order to maximize his T20 earnings.  I don't blame him for trying to earn all he can, now that he has only a year or few left to play, but the whole way this has played out has been... interesting. 

 

As Indian fans, we are extremely lucky that our top players do not ever have to choose between earning money and doing what's best for the national team.  

Our top players don’t need to worry for financial security like other country players. It has nothing to do with patriotism.

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6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

why is he selfish? you are comparing international cricket to hit and giggle format.

Dude...he retired just a year before WC. He should have stuck around till world cup and then retire, like Sanga did. If his body needed rest, he should have skipped few low profile bilateral series in between. But to keep the team hanging and he is enjoying some tamasha leagues around the world is selfishness. Just look at Dale Steyn...body gave up but still continuing in LOIs keeping WC in mind. That is called commitment. I have zero respect for players like ABDV.

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Just now, Austin 3:!6 said:

Dude...he retired just a year before WC. He should have stuck around till world cup and then retire, like Sanga did. If his body needed rest, he should have skipped few low profile bilateral series in between. But to keep the team hanging and he is enjoying some tamasha leagues around the world is selfishness. Just look at Dale Steyn...body gave up but still continuing in LOIs keeping WC in mind. That is called commitment. I have zero respect for players like ABDV.

That is one extreme, other extreme is hanging for the World Cup despite being over the hill as you know :giggle:

 

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I have heard their economy is in a big mess and they are on the way to become next Venezuela. 

That can somewhat explain why they dont have much talent coming.

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15 minutes ago, maniac said:

So what? He is crap. But so are Mulder and Preteroious who are white.

 

Their colored cricketers are fine like Rabada,Tahir.

 

It has nothing to do with quotas, they are just producing crap these days.

Rabada is black, not colored.

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9 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Dude...he retired just a year before WC. He should have stuck around till world cup and then retire, like Sanga did. If his body needed rest, he should have skipped few low profile bilateral series in between. But to keep the team hanging and he is enjoying some tamasha leagues around the world is selfishness. Just look at Dale Steyn...body gave up but still continuing in LOIs keeping WC in mind. That is called commitment. I have zero respect for players like ABDV.

because he does not know how long his will allow him to play.  Imagine him getting his back got broken just before WC, how are SA then going to replace him?  He gave them ample time to find his replacement and Van Der Dussen who replaced him is doing well, averaging 93.  ABDV has a history of back issues.  regarding T20s, you have to spend 90 mins on the field, dont get to bat a lot too and he is playing till his back allows.  stop bringing patriotism in everything.

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

WTF. I thought colored meant non-white for which they had quotas. Not sepereare quotas for black or brown etc etc.

my point was pehlu and Rabada both are black but you ignored one of them in your post while pehlukwayo has not done badly with 50 wickets in 39 games at 30 and averaging 31 with the bat. Also winning SA a game in this series with the bat scoring 69 from a position of 80/5. He has done well for an alrounder.

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WTF. I thought colored meant non-white for which they had quotas. Not sepereare quotas for black or brown etc etc.
I remember reading somewhere they have black quota within the colored quota.

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57 minutes ago, maniac said:

Our top players don’t need to worry for financial security like other country players. It has nothing to do with patriotism.

Where do you see anything about patriotism in what I wrote?  You are disagreeing with me, by agreeing with me?

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Every major team has gone through bad phases, including the Aussies in the 80s. It is a surprise that it took so long for RSA to have a dip in standards, a country that faced sporting boycott from 1970 to 1992, any other country's cricket system would have collapsed under those circumstances but to RSA's credit they still fielded world class teams. Also more surprising because RSA is closer to WI than Aus, Eng, NZ as far as economy, standard of living, socio-economic status, corruption etc are concerned, plus they don't have a huge population like South Asian countries and cricket was never their number 1 sport. 

 

Even in this bad phase they have done exceedingly well in home tests and won in NZ/Aus. For other teams bad phase means laughing stock....at least these guys aren't laughing stocks, they have 5-6 very good players in all formats that will attract attention of neutrals. They are ranked 2, 4, 5 in :wp120::wp90: and :wp90::wp90::wp90: formats respectively, not bad eh?

 

Regarding the 'white' problem, look at it the other way, 90% of their countrymen are blacks or coloured, so the talent pool must be much larger yet untapped for so many years. Right now they have their greatest ever spinner from Indian background, and a trio of Philander/Ngidi/Rabada is something most teams will die for. Again some good batting talent from those (historically oppressed) communities emerging, best one is Zubayr Hamza, watch out for that kid. Number of white RSA stars is reducing but they will always be there because of the country's strong school cricket system (like Lanka) which attracts the best white talents behind rugby. In their so called weak (white) era they still have Markram, Kock, Oliver from more or less the same age bracket...3 potential stars. Every team will have weak links, hell ATG WI and Aus had weak players in their legendary teams. All it takes to make a top team are 5 very good players and 6 so-so ones, to make an ATG team it should be a  8:3 or 9:2 combination.

 

Contrary to the perception here, popularity of cricket is increasing in the rainbow nation and it is set to surpass rugby very soon to become the number 2 sport behind football. Future generations will get inspired by the Rabadas, Amlas and Maharajs just like how Ntini paved the way for blacks in RSA cricket within a decade of end of apartheid. 

 

Now I may be totally wrong and @maniac garu may be right. But still give it some time, observe the trend over 10-15 years and then come to a conclusion. Right now they haven't plummeted to minnow level, those who saw Australia in the 80s would never have predicted what was to follow later. Similarly I see a stronger RSA emerging, but the engines will be different this time. Blacks will carry the fast bowling workload, Asians will take care of spin and batting stocks while there will be a few good/great white players in the mix. The team will represent the demography much better,will have a wider acceptance among the masses. Just like how India grew stronger in the last 10 years after breaking the urban-rural divide, RSA will get stronger after breaking the racial divide. 

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14 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Just goes to show how selfish AB Devilliers actually is. Kept his team hanging like this just before WC and playing in Bangla premier league :facepalm:

You can't blame him considering what they did to him the the last WC semi, the board basically forced a defeat down his throat by picking quota player philander over in form Kyle! Anyone would go bonkers with such blatant interference.

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